Western media lies about Syria exposed (Canadian journalist Eva Bartlett)
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More people for the western media to smear ...
https://onenessofhumanity.wordpress.com/2017/12/01/janice-kortkamp-an-american-housewife-in-syria/comment-page-1/
this person did what I did but to way higher levels ...
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That was the transcript of only the beginning (6) minutes of Janice Kortkamp’s extraordinary 1-hour, 25-minute Boston, Massachusetts presentation delivered in November 2017. What Ms. Kortkamp further points out until concluding her presentation, including her successfully shattering the many myths about Syria, will deeply shake the moral foundations of any decent man or woman in America.
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absolutely ... I would say that IF Syria were not engaged in a way against terrorists at the time - that number may be less ... similar to how Bush's and Guiliani's numbers spiked during 9/11 ... but when you see the war as western intervention - people are gonna rally behind their leader ...dignin said:
So you think 89% of the vote is realistic?polaris_x said:
only in 2014 was their multi-party elections ...dignin said:You might get an idea of how fair the elections are by the numbers.
2000- Assad 99.7% of vote
2007- Assad 97.62% of vote
2014- Assad 88.7% of vote
Those are some North Korean type numbers.
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The question then is: What if the narrative you've believed all along on Assad was false? Why would a secular leader of a country where people who hate each other elsewhere live in harmony want to live in a place where a brutal dictator operates? The villification of Assad simply does not add up - how does a guy go from wanting to be an eye doctor studying in London to going home and wanting to oppress all his people!??my2hands said:
That pretty much sums it up for me...JimmyV said:The difference between 2002 and 2018 is that no one then was claiming Saddam Hussein was a beloved figure in Iraq who drove his own car around Baghdad. We all knew what he was, even if we disagreed about what should or shouldn't be done militarily. I was against invading Iraq then and I'm against attacking Syria now. Not wanting to bomb Syria isn't what makes someone an apologist for Assad.
Nobody had seen me advocate for missile strikes... not really sure what should be done... but I tend to be strongly against military action
My issue is the painting of Assad as some kind of righteous leader who had done nothing wrong over the past 7 years... same with Putin, The Peacemaker ... totally ridiculous
You just have to honeslty ask yourselves that question ... because there is plenty of evidence to disprove that narrative ... but it appears you guys just don't want to hear it ... not sure why ...
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I could run a turnip in pretty much any legitimate election and it would probably get at least 11%.polaris_x said:
absolutely ... I would say that IF Syria were not engaged in a way against terrorists at the time - that number may be less ... similar to how Bush's and Guiliani's numbers spiked during 9/11 ... but when you see the war as western intervention - people are gonna rally behind their leader ...dignin said:
So you think 89% of the vote is realistic?polaris_x said:
only in 2014 was their multi-party elections ...dignin said:You might get an idea of how fair the elections are by the numbers.
2000- Assad 99.7% of vote
2007- Assad 97.62% of vote
2014- Assad 88.7% of vote
Those are some North Korean type numbers.
Fuck, even that orange turd in the states almost got 50%.
Sorry polaris, you are in way too deep if you can believe those results are in any way legitimate.0 -
You clearly don’t understand the internal politics of Syria and the region. Have you educated yourself on “Hamas Rules?” In a nutshell, there’s this silly little thing called “fear,” particularly if you’re not of the same family, sect, clan, religion or any other qualifying trait or characteristic.polaris_x said:
The question then is: What if the narrative you've believed all along on Assad was false? Why would a secular leader of a country where people who hate each other elsewhere live in harmony want to live in a place where a brutal dictator operates? The villification of Assad simply does not add up - how does a guy go from wanting to be an eye doctor studying in London to going home and wanting to oppress all his people!??my2hands said:
That pretty much sums it up for me...JimmyV said:The difference between 2002 and 2018 is that no one then was claiming Saddam Hussein was a beloved figure in Iraq who drove his own car around Baghdad. We all knew what he was, even if we disagreed about what should or shouldn't be done militarily. I was against invading Iraq then and I'm against attacking Syria now. Not wanting to bomb Syria isn't what makes someone an apologist for Assad.
Nobody had seen me advocate for missile strikes... not really sure what should be done... but I tend to be strongly against military action
My issue is the painting of Assad as some kind of righteous leader who had done nothing wrong over the past 7 years... same with Putin, The Peacemaker ... totally ridiculous
You just have to honeslty ask yourselves that question ... because there is plenty of evidence to disprove that narrative ... but it appears you guys just don't want to hear it ... not sure why ...dignin said:
So you think 89% of the vote is realistic?polaris_x said:
only in 2014 was their multi-party elections ...dignin said:You might get an idea of how fair the elections are by the numbers.
2000- Assad 99.7% of vote
2007- Assad 97.62% of vote
2014- Assad 88.7% of vote
Those are some North Korean type numbers.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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1st question: what if your narrative is false and you're supporting two brutal regimes?polaris_x said:
The question then is: What if the narrative you've believed all along on Assad was false?my2hands said:
That pretty much sums it up for me...JimmyV said:The difference between 2002 and 2018 is that no one then was claiming Saddam Hussein was a beloved figure in Iraq who drove his own car around Baghdad. We all knew what he was, even if we disagreed about what should or shouldn't be done militarily. I was against invading Iraq then and I'm against attacking Syria now. Not wanting to bomb Syria isn't what makes someone an apologist for Assad.
Nobody had seen me advocate for missile strikes... not really sure what should be done... but I tend to be strongly against military action
My issue is the painting of Assad as some kind of righteous leader who had done nothing wrong over the past 7 years... same with Putin, The Peacemaker ... totally ridiculous
2nd question: did you take a nap through The Arab Spring?0 -
Can you reasonably explain why the OPCW inspectors are still being blocked by Assad and Putin? Anyone want to defend the actions of the nice guy ophthalmologist?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Assad has been in power since 2000 please tell us how that is a fair way to run a country he’s had plenty of time to bring peace to his people , he’s not a good guy ...jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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The above link from global research Which is a pro-russia website from the Centre for Research on Globalization, which publishes conspiracy theories. Their founder Michael Chossudovsky has written that the 9/11 attacks were not committed by Islamic terrorists, and that the attacks were a pretext for war in the Middle East.polaris_x said:
more of a sham than diebold or hanging chads?JimmyV said:"The ballots themselves, however, are just unnumbered slips of paper, and no one expects this show to have a surprise ending."
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/13/474077689/parts-of-syria-vote-in-parliamentary-elections-that-critics-say-are-a-sham
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what makes you say there was no peace in syria!??? ... the dude was given a special medal in France ... like honestly, what fictional representation of Syria do you guys have!?? ... if there's an oppressive state in the middle east - it's fucking saudi arabia ... don't see no witch hunt there despite their genocide in yemen funded by western nations ...josevolution said:Assad has been in power since 2000 please tell us how that is a fair way to run a country he’s had plenty of time to bring peace to his people , he’s not a good guy ...
syria was a secular country ... damascus is one of the oldest settlements in the history of the world ... women wear what they want .. jews, christians and muslims live together ... free education and healthcare ... yet, people continue to believe something that is not grounded in any reality ...
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something for the open minded to question:
if this truly was a civil war ... name me the opposition leader!?? ... good luck with that ...
if Assad were truly fighting moderate rebels from Syria - don't you think they would kind of get together and not only co-ordinate but form a political opposition to represent them in the international stage? ... yet, there are all these factions everywhere .... factions many of you refuse to see for who they really are ... islamist extremists bent on turning syria into a fundamentalist islamist state under sharia law ...
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How many of your congress people and senate people have been in power much longer...josevolution said:Assad has been in power since 2000 please tell us how that is a fair way to run a country he’s had plenty of time to bring peace to his people , he’s not a good guy ...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
at least 20 other news agencies in douma ... interviewing the same people this guy did ... yet, no reports and the OPCW can't get in because the australian led UN "security" team deems it unsafe ... reuters was there ... but I guess they didn't get what they wanted and left ...
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You can’t compare the two. False equivalency. Unbelievable how far down the worm hole you people have fallen.Meltdown99 said:
How many of your congress people and senate people have been in power much longer...josevolution said:Assad has been in power since 2000 please tell us how that is a fair way to run a country he’s had plenty of time to bring peace to his people , he’s not a good guy ...09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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this look like a guy who's hated by his people and gasses his own people? ... you think that if your leader was known to oppress and launch chemical weapons against civilians - he'd drive his own car around?
if you had a kid who was killed by a sarin attack - and you knew it was ordered by Assad - wouldn't you try and kill him!?? ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ3uXcIFx_U
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also Syria has a constitution ... it was redrafted under Assad in 2012 ... with the main change that the country now was ruled through democratic elections with a plurality of voices ... he also set term limits of 2 x 7 year terms ...polaris_x said:
what makes you say there was no peace in syria!??? ... the dude was given a special medal in France ... like honestly, what fictional representation of Syria do you guys have!?? ... if there's an oppressive state in the middle east - it's fucking saudi arabia ... don't see no witch hunt there despite their genocide in yemen funded by western nations ...josevolution said:Assad has been in power since 2000 please tell us how that is a fair way to run a country he’s had plenty of time to bring peace to his people , he’s not a good guy ...
syria was a secular country ... damascus is one of the oldest settlements in the history of the world ... women wear what they want .. jews, christians and muslims live together ... free education and healthcare ... yet, people continue to believe something that is not grounded in any reality ...
of course this means not a whole lot to some of you because it doesn't mesh with your "Assad is an evil bastard" line ...
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more of the same BS ... worm hole ... sad ...Halifax2TheMax said:
You can’t compare the two. False equivalency. Unbelievable how far down the worm hole you people have fallen.Meltdown99 said:
How many of your congress people and senate people have been in power much longer...josevolution said:Assad has been in power since 2000 please tell us how that is a fair way to run a country he’s had plenty of time to bring peace to his people , he’s not a good guy ...
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But doesn't the opposite hold true as well? If the West was actively plotting to remove Assad's regime from power would he drive his own car around? If there were Islamist rebels trying to takeover the country would he drive his own car around? I don't think he would. So I do question what I'm seeing in this video.polaris_x said:this look like a guy who's hated by his people and gasses his own people? ... you think that if your leader was known to oppress and launch chemical weapons against civilians - he'd drive his own car around?
if you had a kid who was killed by a sarin attack - and you knew it was ordered by Assad - wouldn't you try and kill him!?? ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ3uXcIFx_U
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Seeing how you refuse to understand some of the history of Syri’s past to gain insight into its present, I’ll post some links that you really should read. Stop watching YouTube videos and reading blogs of paid propagandaists. Do some research. Try to be objective. Try. I dare you.polaris_x said:
what makes you say there was no peace in syria!??? ... the dude was given a special medal in France ... like honestly, what fictional representation of Syria do you guys have!?? ... if there's an oppressive state in the middle east - it's fucking saudi arabia ... don't see no witch hunt there despite their genocide in yemen funded by western nations ...josevolution said:Assad has been in power since 2000 please tell us how that is a fair way to run a country he’s had plenty of time to bring peace to his people , he’s not a good guy ...
syria was a secular country ... damascus is one of the oldest settlements in the history of the world ... women wear what they want .. jews, christians and muslims live together ... free education and healthcare ... yet, people continue to believe something that is not grounded in any reality ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Hama_massacre
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/21/opinion/foreign-affairs-hama-rules.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/03/opinion/the-new-hama-rules.html
http://www.newyorker.com/news/wendell-steavenson/assads-hama-rules-again
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