**2020 tour contest to win 2020 posters and to help OYR and Given To Live**

Gman8

Of course. There is a charity contest. Charities and individuals are involved in the contest. An individual wins. The charities get to flip a coin for who gets to pick first and second? The individual who actually wins cannot place any higher than third. Were all the players initially notified the charities would place one/two and have previous contests proceeded in the same fashion? 

ed243421

The individuals who actually win are the people that Dave & Tom help everyday.


All players knew this was a charitable contest and Dave selected first when we did this for the 2016 tour. 

smdevine

Gman8 said:

Of course. There is a charity contest. Charities and individuals are involved in the contest. An individual wins. The charities get to flip a coin for who gets to pick first and second? The individual who actually wins cannot place any higher than third. Were all the players initially notified the charities would place one/two and have previous contests proceeded in the same fashion? 

Thanks for the view Gman. I am a bit disappointed in the outcome. When trying to get participants, this was sold more as a contest with a charity kick. Two of the three times this was done on past tours, winners picked and the leftovers were given to charity. After this tour end, it was revealed how the picks would go. This turned out to be a fundraiser, not a contest. I had passed on my Prague print with the thought I could replace it here, and maybe I still can - if it’s still around by 3rd pick.

It’s hard to speak up as it’s viewed immediately as uncharitable. Before anyone replies to that, please know I jump on lots of OYR fundraisers on fb and my tour buddy and I raised over $1200 for GTL with the O2 walk this summer. I’m not sure asking a question or stating an opinion should be viewed as dissing a charity. Simply stating the clarity would have been nice in advance. I totally enjoyed this contest and to have carried 1st and 2nd place from the start was pretty exciting. I kicked ass! Just didn’t know it would be rewarded with a 3rd place prize. lol

Gman8

I am going to ask the charities to this discussion. 

elwayvedder

OYR is blessed to be a beneficiary of this event and the giving here. I have no other involvement or input. I'm more than fine giving up whatever positioning to make the participants happy.  I'm suffocating in real life with trying to run OYR, work a full-time job, be a father, a husband etc so getting asked to come in here and add input - whatever you guys want to do. I'm fine. I'm grateful for all the giving and have no issue dropping down any positioning.  Thank you all and enjoy the week

F Me In The Brain

It is sad to have such positive actions be questioned by someone who had nothing at all to do with the efforts of so many -- through neither this tour, nor the many activities in the past that we supported E in his great work to help raise funds for causes he believes in.

Precedent has been established in 2016 the last time we did this -- so it is not as if this was a departure from how it was last done.

@smdevine - you helped and volunteered to get a poster from a show you were attending and I donated/entered for that show.  I thank you for that.  If you feel poorly about this I am sorry to hear that and I am happy to pass my pick to you, if you like.  I know that I finished 4th but I would be happy to have you get it.  (Thanks for the awesome job with the O2 walk this summer, that is so cool to read of!)

I did land a Prague and Krakow to provide to others and try to keep the good vibes going.  Hoping to get Berlin & perhaps even a Roma for the group as well. 

ed243421

No one here should be pressured into giving up any picks

this was for charity 1st, and a chance to win some posters 2nd

it always was, and we made it official the last time we ran this in 2016 by giving dave the 1st pick

we will give the charities the first picks every time we do this 

i’m sorry for anyone who misunderstood that

IamTom

I’m easy and grateful for whatever happens. 

Would also be totally happy with random draw if that makes people happier. 

smdevine

I’m gonna say this one more time and then I’m gonna let the horse RIP - NO issue with charity. In every contest before this one, it has been stated what the pick orders would be prior to contest. I don’t think it’s unrealistic to think that rules could be stated each time - particularly with such long periods between and when you have new participants. 

@fme - I was happy to grab your entry, and I appreciate you grabbing the others as they’ve come along. I will also be trying for the Berlin. And please keep your pick - hope you get a good one! As stated, nobody should be pressured into giving up picks and that's not what I would want at all. 

@dave and tom - Always in support of your charitable efforts and happy to see you continue good deeds. I will continue to support. You’ll also see support from philanthroprints - I am an admin there and speak highly of both your organizations.

The person speaking up on my behalf - I understand the confusion. I’m not sure why he shouldn’t have an opinion just because he hasn’t been involved before. I haven’t either. It IS a valid question and nobody should be squashed from asking a question by being made to feel uncharitable. Questions and transparency are always good, even in donation situations.

Peace All, have a great week!

ham_on_rye

Gman8 said:

This is an observation. How does the winner in the standings of this contest maintaining places #1 & #2 end up picking third? Seems unfair and disingenuous...

Am I missing something? Is this comment from a participant in the contest? 

smdevine

ham_on_rye said:

Am I missing something? Is this comment from a participant in the contest? 

Nope, just someone I know who has watched my excitement about this contest thru the tour. He knew I wouldn’t speak up on the thread and was being supportive.

ed243421

Did you notice that Elwayvedder got the first pick the last time this contest was run?

smdevine

ed243421 said:

Did you notice that Elwayvedder got the first pick the last time this contest was run?

I did notice that, although after the fact. When I joined in, I followed the first link you provided to past contests, which happened to be the first time it was run. This was when the winners picked and charity got left overs. I have since gone back to read entire threads for all three contests. You know what else I noticed? In all past contests, pick order was clearly defined PRIOR to the contest starting. So it’s not out of line for me to ask about it this time, given 2 out of 3 times it was the winners picking. Perhaps only link to the one with the current rules next time if you aren’t going to be clear about it on the actual current contest thread.

Look ed, I said my peace with you by pm. I also said on page 15 that it was disappointing but I get it. I simply answered ham’s question above. What I left out of that response is what difference does it make if gman was a participant or not? Is this a closed group here? Maybe don’t go looking for other (outside) participants to fill slots of you’re gonna go with the good ‘ole boy system when it comes to rules and a girl wipes the floor with your picks.

I’ve had about enough of being questioned for asking a VERY legit question. You seemed to try and placate me with “be happy - you won 8 posters”. Well I won them fair and square, not like you’re doing me any favors. I entered three times. I helped someone else by picking up a poster. I’ve encouraged and been a team player. In the end, I picked the most correct songs - I SHOULD walk away with prizes for that. 

I’m also over the charity aspect being put at me (and my friend) just for speaking up and asking a question, Guess what? If they are still available I have my eye on 2 prints to replace ones I’ve passed on to others. I have my eye on one for a good friend and merch buddy. And the others are to be waffled or sold for metavivor.org in honor of my mom and a dear friend who both have stage four met breast cancer. Is that cause charitable enough? And does it make you feel differently about me being able to ask a question? Which cause gets first picks now? I honestly feel it still shouldn’t matter what I’m doing with them - the rules weren’t made clear and nobody should be given grief for asking a question about that. 

At this point, can I just make Berlin one of my choices? And if booboo ever gets it, send it on. If not, I’ve risked it and I’ll be without. Let’s get this party started so I can stop coming back to check the thread. I don’t care for the back and forth just for asking a question and I certainly don’t care for the insinuation that it’s wrong to question because charities are involved. I’m not questioning the charities AT ALL, only trying to understand the rules of the game.

ham_on_rye

Definitely not a closed group and not just for the boys; I'm a girl too  I was just wondering why the person that commented was so upset, no offense intended. I hope this misunderstanding doesn't prevent this contest from happening again next tour, I really enjoy it.    

F Me In The Brain

I'm sorry to read about your mom and best friend.  Best wishes to them.

stones

Just a casual observation, but as there are only 3 people picking in the top 12, could there not be some sort of trading of the picks like the NFL draft?

ed243421

Whatever is agreed upon works for me

smdevine

Just leave it as you have it please. OYR and GTL are “grass roots” and need donations. Again I simply didn’t know the plan since it wasn’t stated here, and I didn’t think it should be an issue to ask the question.

Booboo, how is the ebeans transaction coming along?  

F Me In The Brain

I'm on the road today so will not get if it drops today, sorry!

smdevine

F Me In The Brain said:

I'm on the road today so will not get if it drops today, sorry!

I’m at my desk and will keep an eye out.