Also from above...Let’s face it: the Democratic Party has no other figure of gravitas
on the bench.
Isn’t Bernie a democrat?
Does he believe that private companies have any control of any portion of the economic system or should government have all control?
I will admit to not paying the guy much attention, but I have never heard him discuss the free market in a positive fashion.
You're right, you haven't been paying any attention. No, Sanders is not a Communist, lol.
Ok, so can you tell me what he wants the role of the free market to be please?
He acknowledges the failures of the free market (which aren't deniable by anyone who looks at it objectively), but understands that it is the system under which we all operate right now, so his views are about how to make things better for everyone while under the weight of a failing, phony-ass, fixed free market system that now exists. Anyone who claims that the "free market" is working well for everyone in its current form or that it could work as Libertarians imagine it is in severe denial, so not only Bernie Sanders thinks this. That is why he essentially talks about a compromise between socialism and capitalism (which is, IMO, the most doable scenario when you're not dealing with a bunch of brainwashed capitalists or fanatical commies). It's not an all or nothing situation, and he knows it because he's not an idiot. Anyway, if you actually care about what Bernie Sanders thinks, you should get plenty of info from all perspectives (good and stupid) if you just google "Bernie Sanders and the free market" or just read up on his platform. Or just read up about how countries like Denmark and Sweden and Norway function, because that is close to what he supports, and those are not communist countries, obviously, and they still have a free market within a more socialist framework. Supply and demand is still a thing, but the distribution of wealth is much better through regulation and more equality in access to programs that improve the nation as a whole is an ideal supported through taxation (with good results FWIW - people in such countries are MUCH happier and more satisfied with their medical and education systems and their childcare options than Americans are, and their quality of life is higher too).
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
What you are agreeing with? I'm not seeing very many people think this is a good idea, for exactly the reason it points out. No one on here was all that keen, either.
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Yeah, I agree. The majority of "Democrats" I know think it is a turrible idea and that she has no qualifications other than "money". Other than the brief media 'blitz' pumping this up, I haven't seen one person who is actually in favor.
I said it to someone else yesterday, but in 3 years, if I am looking at a Presidential ballot and need to choose between Donald Trump and Orcha Windbag, I am going to seriously look into emigration for my family.
What you are agreeing with? I'm not seeing very many people think this is a good idea, for exactly the reason it points out. No one on here was all that keen, either.
I think a ton of people think this is a good idea, if the internet and the news and random people talking is any indication (no McGruff, that doesn't mean everyone ). I actually just had a conservative (in Canadian terms, so probably still left to Americans, lol) say to me " i like her enough to vote for her... but i'd need to listen to her policies first ...." My response was, "what policies? She doesn't have any, she's a TV mogul".
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
yeah, but I am actually in the country, in a very 'liberal' state and havent talked to one person remotely in support of this
So what about all the millions of Americans who are babbling about it then? Obviously there are plenty of Americans who think this is a good idea, whether you know them or not.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
yeah, but I am actually in the country, in a very 'liberal' state and havent talked to one person remotely in support of this
So what about all the millions of Americans who are babbling about it then? Obviously there are plenty of Americans who think this is a good idea, whether you know them or not.
It was a media driven frenzy that lasted just a morning and early afternoon after she made a speech to a widely watched event capitalizing on a current issue. I really dont think it received the traction that Oprah or the media were hoping for.
I'm sure you can find people who may be in support of it... its not "Democrats" or "Liberals" though as that silly meme suggests. Maybe we would have less than 10% of Democrats who would be seriously open to the possibility?
If she actually run (which I don't think she even will, which makes this whole thing even more stupid), I think she'd probably win the primaries and easily beat Trump. So if that's true (do you disagree with that assessment?), I guess that would mean that a lot more than 10% of Democrats would be open to the idea if it was a real one.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
yeah, but I am actually in the country, in a very 'liberal' state and havent talked to one person remotely in support of this
So what about all the millions of Americans who are babbling about it then? Obviously there are plenty of Americans who think this is a good idea, whether you know them or not.
It was a media driven frenzy that lasted just a morning and early afternoon after she made a speech to a widely watched event capitalizing on a current issue. I really dont think it received the traction that Oprah or the media were hoping for.
I'm sure you can find people who may be in support of it... its not "Democrats" or "Liberals" though as that silly meme suggests. Maybe we would have less than 10% of Democrats who would be seriously open to the possibility?
A media driven frenzy is right. I do not know a lot about Opera except that she gained a lot of popularity by giving free shit away on her show...That being said, most liberals are probably going to vote for her due to that. I can see her rallies now, “Free shit for everyone!!!”
To be fair, she gained a lot of popularity for way more than giving free shit away on her show. I don't really like her, but she did a hell of a lot more than that, and was madly popular long before she ever came up with that kind of shit (also, don't forget that she is actually a pretty fucking accomplished actor as well). But what do you mean "are probably going to vote for her"? The woman hasn't said a single thing about actually running.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
To be fair, she gained a lot of popularity for way more than giving free shit away on her show. I don't really like her, but she did a hell of a lot more than that, and was madly popular long before she ever came up with that kind of shit (also, don't forget that she is actually a pretty fucking accomplished actor as well). But what do you mean "are probably going to vote for her"? The woman hasn't said a single thing about actually running.
I admit, I never really payed much attention to her...All I remember about her is that people wanted to go to her show so that they had a chance of getting free stuff. She was never really my cup of tea, but then again, I was not a stay-at-home Mom that kept up with the pointless daytime television...
Also from above...Let’s face it: the Democratic Party has no other figure of gravitas
on the bench.
Isn’t Bernie a democrat?
Does he believe that private companies have any control of any portion of the economic system or should government have all control?
I will admit to not paying the guy much attention, but I have never heard him discuss the free market in a positive fashion.
You're right, you haven't been paying any attention. No, Sanders is not a Communist, lol.
Ok, so can you tell me what he wants the role of the free market to be please?
He acknowledges the failures of the free market (which aren't deniable by anyone who looks at it objectively), but understands that it is the system under which we all operate right now, so his views are about how to make things better for everyone while under the weight of a failing, phony-ass, fixed free market system that now exists. Anyone who claims that the "free market" is working well for everyone in its current form or that it could work as Libertarians imagine it is in severe denial, so not only Bernie Sanders thinks this. That is why he essentially talks about a compromise between socialism and capitalism (which is, IMO, the most doable scenario when you're not dealing with a bunch of brainwashed capitalists or fanatical commies). It's not an all or nothing situation, and he knows it because he's not an idiot. Anyway, if you actually care about what Bernie Sanders thinks, you should get plenty of info from all perspectives (good and stupid) if you just google "Bernie Sanders and the free market" or just read up on his platform. Or just read up about how countries like Denmark and Sweden and Norway function, because that is close to what he supports, and those are not communist countries, obviously, and they still have a free market within a more socialist framework. Supply and demand is still a thing, but the distribution of wealth is much better through regulation and more equality in access to programs that improve the nation as a whole is an ideal supported through taxation (with good results FWIW - people in such countries are MUCH happier and more satisfied with their medical and education systems and their childcare options than Americans are, and their quality of life is higher too).
good stuff... "free market" is an oxymoron when you consider the various and plentiful "market manipulators" too bad I cant stick around, things are just getting good around here and that has become a B side rarity in these parts.
What you are agreeing with? I'm not seeing very many people think this is a good idea, for exactly the reason it points out. No one on here was all that keen, either.
not here. just from social media, but it's hard to say what kind of pool that draws from.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Unfortunately, the Trump presidency has opened the door for this type of crap to happen more frequently and possibly be the new norm unless we get on top of this quick. The complicated issue of it all is that the only requirements to be on a presidential ballot are your age and place of birth, but if you require prior experience in politics or civil service who is going to manage that part of the process?
The only way I vote for Oprah is to vote against Trump. And then I promptly vote against Oprah next election.
This is nonsense. We have to stop treating the presidency as a reality TV show.
Amen to that. I was just chatting about this with a co-worker. We decided that Sarah Palin was the catalyst to all this, lol. That is kind of the watershed moment, when American politics went from fucked up but basically serious and relatively sane and into a downward spiral into a crazy political reality TV show.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
yeah, but I am actually in the country, in a very 'liberal' state and havent talked to one person remotely in support of this
So what about all the millions of Americans who are babbling about it then? Obviously there are plenty of Americans who think this is a good idea, whether you know them or not.
It was a media driven frenzy that lasted just a morning and early afternoon after she made a speech to a widely watched event capitalizing on a current issue. I really dont think it received the traction that Oprah or the media were hoping for.
I'm sure you can find people who may be in support of it... its not "Democrats" or "Liberals" though as that silly meme suggests. Maybe we would have less than 10% of Democrats who would be seriously open to the possibility?
A media driven frenzy is right. I do not know a lot about Opera except that she gained a lot of popularity by giving free shit away on her show...That being said, most liberals are probably going to vote for her due to that. I can see her rallies now, “Free shit for everyone!!!”
We just got free shit with the tax cuts. The ‘free stuff’ label should’ve been pinned on trump, not Sanders.
yeah, but I am actually in the country, in a very 'liberal' state and havent talked to one person remotely in support of this
So what about all the millions of Americans who are babbling about it then? Obviously there are plenty of Americans who think this is a good idea, whether you know them or not.
It was a media driven frenzy that lasted just a morning and early afternoon after she made a speech to a widely watched event capitalizing on a current issue. I really dont think it received the traction that Oprah or the media were hoping for.
I'm sure you can find people who may be in support of it... its not "Democrats" or "Liberals" though as that silly meme suggests. Maybe we would have less than 10% of Democrats who would be seriously open to the possibility?
A media driven frenzy is right. I do not know a lot about Opera except that she gained a lot of popularity by giving free shit away on her show...That being said, most liberals are probably going to vote for her due to that. I can see her rallies now, “Free shit for everyone!!!”
We just got free shit with the tax cuts. The ‘free stuff’ label should’ve been pinned on trump, not Sanders.
But you forget - it's only "handouts" and "free stuff" when it's the Dems giving it out. When it's repubs it's justified spending of hard-earned dollars.
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Also from above...Let’s face it: the Democratic Party has no other figure of gravitas
on the bench.
Isn’t Bernie a democrat?
Does he believe that private companies have any control of any portion of the economic system or should government have all control?
I will admit to not paying the guy much attention, but I have never heard him discuss the free market in a positive fashion.
You're right, you haven't been paying any attention. No, Sanders is not a Communist, lol.
Ok, so can you tell me what he wants the role of the free market to be please?
He acknowledges the failures of the free market (which aren't deniable by anyone who looks at it objectively), but understands that it is the system under which we all operate right now, so his views are about how to make things better for everyone while under the weight of a failing, phony-ass, fixed free market system that now exists. Anyone who claims that the "free market" is working well for everyone in its current form or that it could work as Libertarians imagine it is in severe denial, so not only Bernie Sanders thinks this. That is why he essentially talks about a compromise between socialism and capitalism (which is, IMO, the most doable scenario when you're not dealing with a bunch of brainwashed capitalists or fanatical commies). It's not an all or nothing situation, and he knows it because he's not an idiot. Anyway, if you actually care about what Bernie Sanders thinks, you should get plenty of info from all perspectives (good and stupid) if you just google "Bernie Sanders and the free market" or just read up on his platform. Or just read up about how countries like Denmark and Sweden and Norway function, because that is close to what he supports, and those are not communist countries, obviously, and they still have a free market within a more socialist framework. Supply and demand is still a thing, but the distribution of wealth is much better through regulation and more equality in access to programs that improve the nation as a whole is an ideal supported through taxation (with good results FWIW - people in such countries are MUCH happier and more satisfied with their medical and education systems and their childcare options than Americans are, and their quality of life is higher too).
It is only phony assed and fixed because government is involved. Government breeds corruption.
Also from above...Let’s face it: the Democratic Party has no other figure of gravitas
on the bench.
Isn’t Bernie a democrat?
Does he believe that private companies have any control of any portion of the economic system or should government have all control?
I will admit to not paying the guy much attention, but I have never heard him discuss the free market in a positive fashion.
You're right, you haven't been paying any attention. No, Sanders is not a Communist, lol.
Ok, so can you tell me what he wants the role of the free market to be please?
He acknowledges the failures of the free market (which aren't deniable by anyone who looks at it objectively), but understands that it is the system under which we all operate right now, so his views are about how to make things better for everyone while under the weight of a failing, phony-ass, fixed free market system that now exists. Anyone who claims that the "free market" is working well for everyone in its current form or that it could work as Libertarians imagine it is in severe denial, so not only Bernie Sanders thinks this. That is why he essentially talks about a compromise between socialism and capitalism (which is, IMO, the most doable scenario when you're not dealing with a bunch of brainwashed capitalists or fanatical commies). It's not an all or nothing situation, and he knows it because he's not an idiot. Anyway, if you actually care about what Bernie Sanders thinks, you should get plenty of info from all perspectives (good and stupid) if you just google "Bernie Sanders and the free market" or just read up on his platform. Or just read up about how countries like Denmark and Sweden and Norway function, because that is close to what he supports, and those are not communist countries, obviously, and they still have a free market within a more socialist framework. Supply and demand is still a thing, but the distribution of wealth is much better through regulation and more equality in access to programs that improve the nation as a whole is an ideal supported through taxation (with good results FWIW - people in such countries are MUCH happier and more satisfied with their medical and education systems and their childcare options than Americans are, and their quality of life is higher too).
It is only phony assed and fixed because government is involved. Government breeds corruption.
And you think greedy people with business interests are upstanding and honest and will think of the common good in any way? That private enterprise doesn't breed corruption? Surely not. I do agree government breeds corruption when its allowed to (obviously) ... But government can also help protect people from greedy, power hungry capitalists whose primary concern is gaining wealth at all costs. And unions can protect workers from abuse of said greedy capitalists. It blows my mind that some people think that corporations would actually do the right thing for anything or anyone without government regulation. That's just insane to me.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Also from above...Let’s face it: the Democratic Party has no other figure of gravitas
on the bench.
Isn’t Bernie a democrat?
Does he believe that private companies have any control of any portion of the economic system or should government have all control?
I will admit to not paying the guy much attention, but I have never heard him discuss the free market in a positive fashion.
You're right, you haven't been paying any attention. No, Sanders is not a Communist, lol.
Ok, so can you tell me what he wants the role of the free market to be please?
He acknowledges the failures of the free market (which aren't deniable by anyone who looks at it objectively), but understands that it is the system under which we all operate right now, so his views are about how to make things better for everyone while under the weight of a failing, phony-ass, fixed free market system that now exists. Anyone who claims that the "free market" is working well for everyone in its current form or that it could work as Libertarians imagine it is in severe denial, so not only Bernie Sanders thinks this. That is why he essentially talks about a compromise between socialism and capitalism (which is, IMO, the most doable scenario when you're not dealing with a bunch of brainwashed capitalists or fanatical commies). It's not an all or nothing situation, and he knows it because he's not an idiot. Anyway, if you actually care about what Bernie Sanders thinks, you should get plenty of info from all perspectives (good and stupid) if you just google "Bernie Sanders and the free market" or just read up on his platform. Or just read up about how countries like Denmark and Sweden and Norway function, because that is close to what he supports, and those are not communist countries, obviously, and they still have a free market within a more socialist framework. Supply and demand is still a thing, but the distribution of wealth is much better through regulation and more equality in access to programs that improve the nation as a whole is an ideal supported through taxation (with good results FWIW - people in such countries are MUCH happier and more satisfied with their medical and education systems and their childcare options than Americans are, and their quality of life is higher too).
It is only phony assed and fixed because government is involved. Government breeds corruption.
No, people breed corruption. If government breeds corruption, how do you explain Team Trump Treason and his family's business practices? Or Bernie Sanders' wife's business practice? The "government" made them do it?
I'm still holding out hope for President Qualified Candidate Who Knows How To Govern And Inspires People To Follow Them.
This! We need a president who can bring the country together, not divide it further.
Don't sell Oprah short...she has the potential to do this.
you think a black woman can unite a country that still holds neo-nazi rallies and people who protest against no longer celebrating the confederate flag? you think a BLACK WOMAN can do this?
Uhhh...absolutely....a back man did it only a few short years ago.
so now you are giving obama credit for uniting the country? he was a great president, but if anything, the hatred started to bubble when he was elected. and it is now boiling over.
Now hang on one second...everybody on here knows that I am no Obama supporter but let there be no doubt that his 2008 campaign was brilliantly executed on a theme of unity... "There is no red state, there is no blue state...etc.". On the day of his inauguration it was a magnificent moment and at that time he had the opportunity to be the uniter that he campaigned as. Unfortunately the Pelosi/Reid congress took a different approach and took the agenda far to the left. The reason I did not like Obama is that for all his talk of unity I had a feeling that when all was said and done he was at heart one of "them" and would be fully on board with the plan. The "hatred" you speak of was not a racist outcry to a black man. It was an outcry against the hard left progressive agenda. I've said this a million times but nobody on here is willing to accept it. You would much rather prefer that people are resisting skin colour instead of your ideas. I get it...mentally that is too hard to process. Nevertheless thousands of Obama voters in the rust belt switched there support to Trump. They thought they were getting a unifier but instead got militant progressivism so they said fuck it and voted for a son of a bitch in 2016. That doesn't mean though that these voters are lost to democrats forever. They will appreciate Trump's results but at some point they will tire of the 24/7 fist fight. The question for democrats is who will be the democratic candidate that can capitalize on Trump's results. The rust belt voter will eventually want a unifier even if she is a black woman! What they won't want however is a return to militant progressivism. Oprah has been in their living room for years. She has the ability to be their candidate.
sorry, completely disagree. and you can keep ramming it down all of our throats how much smarter you are than everyone else, but the vitriol and blind hatred of the man was not because of his policies alone. I would wage that it was a combination, but more racially motivated than you are willing to admit. there is a massive racism problem in the US that reared its ugly head once he was office, a problem everyone thought had gone away.
am I saying all republicans are racist? not at all. But a lot are.
they didn't switch parties because of Obama's policies. they switched because the government didn't solve all their problems like they continue to hope it will. Trump promised them he would bring back their dying industries so they didn't have to make any of the hard choices themselves. that's what people do, unfortunately. and it worked.
You do not completely disagree...your last paragraph basically rephrases what I said. Maybe I am much smarter...maybe I'm a genius in fact. A very stable genius! Also...manufacturing jobs are growing again...it isn't the resurrection of dying industry but it's a start. Oprah has the ability to capitalize on that where Bernie cannot.
um, no it doesn't. you said they left obama for trump because of obama's "militant progressivism". I said they left because he didn't fix something that shouldn't be fixed.
how does being very successful in business make someone relatable to the common person? it doesn't. her life growing up poor makes her relatable, being rich and famous now further distances her from them.
It is the type of business she was in. You don't have the highest ratings in day time talk for a million years in a row without knowing a little bit about your audience. Her type of success required her to understand the american viewer across the entire country. I guarantee you that her people spent hour and hours learning about the american people's like and dislikes, their needs and their wants. This ability to know the audience and to deliver in their language year after year completely stem from her brilliance. In the end this is what politics is all about and I have no doubt that she could translate this strength into good governance. Many of you need to get over your anti-business tendencies. There is nothing special about the political class before you.
no one, at least certainly not me, have anti-business tendencies. equating running a business with running the country is laughable. success in the private sector is nothing like successfully navigating policy.
i would take a psychologist or engineer over a business mogul any day of the week. we need intelligent, and just as importantly, socially and environmentally conscious people in office, not someone who simply knows how to motivate their staff and make a buck.
I'm still holding out hope for President Qualified Candidate Who Knows How To Govern And Inspires People To Follow Them.
This! We need a president who can bring the country together, not divide it further.
Don't sell Oprah short...she has the potential to do this.
you think a black woman can unite a country that still holds neo-nazi rallies and people who protest against no longer celebrating the confederate flag? you think a BLACK WOMAN can do this?
Uhhh...absolutely....a back man did it only a few short years ago.
so now you are giving obama credit for uniting the country? he was a great president, but if anything, the hatred started to bubble when he was elected. and it is now boiling over.
Now hang on one second...everybody on here knows that I am no Obama supporter but let there be no doubt that his 2008 campaign was brilliantly executed on a theme of unity... "There is no red state, there is no blue state...etc.". On the day of his inauguration it was a magnificent moment and at that time he had the opportunity to be the uniter that he campaigned as. Unfortunately the Pelosi/Reid congress took a different approach and took the agenda far to the left. The reason I did not like Obama is that for all his talk of unity I had a feeling that when all was said and done he was at heart one of "them" and would be fully on board with the plan. The "hatred" you speak of was not a racist outcry to a black man. It was an outcry against the hard left progressive agenda. I've said this a million times but nobody on here is willing to accept it. You would much rather prefer that people are resisting skin colour instead of your ideas. I get it...mentally that is too hard to process. Nevertheless thousands of Obama voters in the rust belt switched there support to Trump. They thought they were getting a unifier but instead got militant progressivism so they said fuck it and voted for a son of a bitch in 2016. That doesn't mean though that these voters are lost to democrats forever. They will appreciate Trump's results but at some point they will tire of the 24/7 fist fight. The question for democrats is who will be the democratic candidate that can capitalize on Trump's results. The rust belt voter will eventually want a unifier even if she is a black woman! What they won't want however is a return to militant progressivism. Oprah has been in their living room for years. She has the ability to be their candidate.
sorry, completely disagree. and you can keep ramming it down all of our throats how much smarter you are than everyone else, but the vitriol and blind hatred of the man was not because of his policies alone. I would wage that it was a combination, but more racially motivated than you are willing to admit. there is a massive racism problem in the US that reared its ugly head once he was office, a problem everyone thought had gone away.
am I saying all republicans are racist? not at all. But a lot are.
they didn't switch parties because of Obama's policies. they switched because the government didn't solve all their problems like they continue to hope it will. Trump promised them he would bring back their dying industries so they didn't have to make any of the hard choices themselves. that's what people do, unfortunately. and it worked.
You do not completely disagree...your last paragraph basically rephrases what I said. Maybe I am much smarter...maybe I'm a genius in fact. A very stable genius! Also...manufacturing jobs are growing again...it isn't the resurrection of dying industry but it's a start. Oprah has the ability to capitalize on that where Bernie cannot.
um, no it doesn't. you said they left obama for trump because of obama's "militant progressivism". I said they left because he didn't fix something that shouldn't be fixed.
how does being very successful in business make someone relatable to the common person? it doesn't. her life growing up poor makes her relatable, being rich and famous now further distances her from them.
It is the type of business she was in. You don't have the highest ratings in day time talk for a million years in a row without knowing a little bit about your audience. Her type of success required her to understand the american viewer across the entire country. I guarantee you that her people spent hour and hours learning about the american people's like and dislikes, their needs and their wants. This ability to know the audience and to deliver in their language year after year completely stem from her brilliance. In the end this is what politics is all about and I have no doubt that she could translate this strength into good governance. Many of you need to get over your anti-business tendencies. There is nothing special about the political class before you.
yeah, her audience was middle aged housewives. pretty hard to tap into that. people who want to escape the boredom of their daily lives for 60 minutes. how the fuck is that in touch with the average voter or their day to day plight? it's not. it's in touch with fluff and knowing how to market it as something of substance. do you think dr phil or phil donahue would be good as president too just because they had a successful daytime talk show?
Went to her Christmas party in 97 or 98 in Chicago. It was like a fucking prison getting in and out. Never been to a party where people walked on egg shells like this. Almost like 99% of the people were scared to be there but didn’t dare not show up. Don’t expect to ever, ever hear dirt on Oprah that’s not already out there.
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I said it to someone else yesterday, but in 3 years, if I am looking at a Presidential ballot and need to choose between Donald Trump and Orcha Windbag, I am going to seriously look into emigration for my family.
I'm sure you can find people who may be in support of it... its not "Democrats" or "Liberals" though as that silly meme suggests. Maybe we would have less than 10% of Democrats who would be seriously open to the possibility?
too bad I cant stick around, things are just getting good around here and that has become a B side rarity in these parts.
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This is nonsense. We have to stop treating the presidency as a reality TV show.
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