Euthanasia

Thoughts_Arrive

Set to become legal in my home state...

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/historic-euthanasia-laws-pass-victorian-upper-house-20171121-gzqc8n.html

For/Against?
I am for. I am sick of religious groups saying no based on their faith. Fuck off and let people die if they want.

PJ_Soul

:clap: Congrats to Victoria!!!! Canada just legalized recently too, although the law here is still too weak - it still results in people suffering needlessly because our PM wussed out a bit on the legislation. But that is all going through the courts now, so improvements to the law should come over time (hopefully in time for it to benefit me and mine, should we need it).
This is a really important issue to me, and I think it is downright sickening that people try to prevent it from being legal and accessible. All the excuses they use to justify their reticence are garbage.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Freedom of choice.

It is nobody's place to say what is right and not right for someone else if they are not impacting anyone with the choices they make.

Thoughts_Arrive

The Catholic church interferes too much here in Australia (and globally). 
They have too much influence over politicians on the conservative side. 
First they tried to stop same sex marriage here and now this.

jeffbr

My state legalized it almost a decade ago. Called The Washington Death With Dignity Act. I'm very much in favor of self-determination.

PJ_Soul

jeffbr said:

My state legalized it almost a decade ago. Called The Washington Death With Dignity Act. I'm very much in favor of self-determination.

Washington and Oregon definitely do it well. Canada hasn't gotten to their level yet - still too many restrictions on who is allowed to do it, and we still don't have the option of taking the medication home and doing just among loved ones. It still has to be done in a hospital here (I would personally go with the hospital option myself just for logistical reasons, but a lot of people would much prefer to do it at home).

Bentleyspop

For

Thoughts_Arrive

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

My state legalized it almost a decade ago. Called The Washington Death With Dignity Act. I'm very much in favor of self-determination.

Washington and Oregon definitely do it well. Canada hasn't gotten to their level yet - still too many restrictions on who is allowed to do it, and we still don't have the option of taking the medication home and doing just among loved ones. It still has to be done in a hospital here (I would personally go with the hospital option myself just for logistical reasons, but a lot of people would much prefer to do it at home).

I'd want to do it at a PJ concert.
And then my body can be crowd surfed all the way to the back and into a waiting ambulance.

bootlegger10

I am in favor of it.  

hedonist

My body, my life, my decision.

Totally for it for myself or anyone else who chooses to go that route.

RunIntoTheRain

I am for it

brianlux

Right-to-die for terminal patients with little time left who are suffering great pain is compassionate and the arguments against it are, generally speaking, based on: a) fear, b) misinformation, or c) misguided religious beliefs.

A similar bill was brought before the California in 2016.  One of the most compassionate people I know asked me to get involved by going to state senate hearings and voicing my opinion.  We wrote letters, went the the state capitol a few time and despite that bill being shot down a number of times, we finally got approval.  The bill had to be weakened to pass and right-to-die is still difficult in California, but at least it is possible.  Hopefully we will see some reasonable amendments to that bill in the future.

So yes, I'm definitely glad to see this went through in your state, Thoughts. 

josevolution

Thoughts_Arrive said:

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

My state legalized it almost a decade ago. Called The Washington Death With Dignity Act. I'm very much in favor of self-determination.

Washington and Oregon definitely do it well. Canada hasn't gotten to their level yet - still too many restrictions on who is allowed to do it, and we still don't have the option of taking the medication home and doing just among loved ones. It still has to be done in a hospital here (I would personally go with the hospital option myself just for logistical reasons, but a lot of people would much prefer to do it at home).

I'd want to do it at a PJ concert.
And then my body can be crowd surfed all the way to the back and into a waiting ambulance.

Hell yeah lol , yes to the law !

unsung

What if the person wasn’t terminally ill?  Do they still get to choose?

josevolution

unsung said:

What if the person wasn’t terminally ill?  Do they still get to choose?

I’d say no ..

even flow - question mark

Not only am I for it. I have problems with the news stories of the religious people keeping their loved ones on life support while espousing about how this is the way god wants it. So, so, natural to be hooked up to a machine! Right God?

RunIntoTheRain

even flow - question mark said:

Not only am I for it. I have problems with the news stories of the religious people keeping their loved ones on life support while espousing about how this is the way god wants it. So, so, natural to be hooked up to a machine! Right God?

I agree. But it isn't just a religious angle. Medical treatment has advanced tremendously and that's a great thing usually.  But sometimes, just because we can keep someone alive, it doesn't mean we should.
Quality of life, which is a grey area, needs to be considered.

Bentleyspop

RunIntoTheRain said:

even flow - question mark said:

Not only am I for it. I have problems with the news stories of the religious people keeping their loved ones on life support while espousing about how this is the way god wants it. So, so, natural to be hooked up to a machine! Right God?

I agree. But it isn't just a religious angle. Medical treatment has advanced tremendously and that's a great thing usually.  But sometimes, just because we can keep someone alive, it doesn't mean we should.
Quality of life, which is a grey area, needs to be considered.

Unfortunately too many people think that god and or jesus will sweep down from heaven and bring their brain dead loved one back to life.
This is, as far as I am concerned, a selfish act. People thinking about their own pain and not that of their loved one.
I'm a big believer in DNRs, Living Wills, Directives, etc.
Euthanasia, when used properly and ethically, is a practical tool for ending what for many is unbearable pain. Both physically and mentally for themselves and their loved ones.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

What if the person wasn’t terminally ill?  Do they still get to choose?

Depends on the situation.

If the person is in chronic pain, in a debilitated condition of some sort, and is tired of it... then that should be their choice. If someone is in the midst of an emotional crisis (say they've lost a loved one or breakdown) and thinks clinical death is the best option for them to cope... then maybe not.

Of course, this leaves grey area and who reigns supreme in the grey area?

unsung

So then it really isn’t a choice unless certain pre-approved conditions are met.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

So then it really isn’t a choice unless certain pre-approved conditions are met.

I don't know, man. I'm not trying to develop the blueprint for it. I'm just expressing that euthanasia serves some very well. For others that might not be in the correct state of mind to make such a conclusive and fatal decision for themselves... I think safeguards should be in place. Options need to be probed before jumping to the death option.

Do you agree?