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PJ_Soul

mrussel1 said:

Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 

(replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.

mrussel1

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 

(replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.

I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

josevolution

Spineless Ryan running for the hills with pockets full yeah what an American ha totally sold the country out ..

oftenreading

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 

(replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.

I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  

The Juggler

Halifax2TheMax

You want to really know why all those repubes are resigning? The “responsibility” ranges far and deep. I wonder what the collective average NRA rating is for the 38 repube resignations? Further, I’d ask everyone of them, “what did you know and when did you know it? Gotta love the Team Trump Treason “we’re done cooperating.” Oh oh. “Responsible” my ass.

NRA got more money from Russia-linked sources than earlier reported - POLITICO https://apple.news/APxC0RUInQwaU8mXgIdbc2Q

tbergs

Nice send off for Ryan a la RATM. Haha!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/04/11/paul-ryans-career-as-told-through-songs-by-rage-against-the-machine-a-band-he-once-supposedly-liked/

josevolution

tbergs said:

Nice send off for Ryan a la RATM. Haha!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/04/11/paul-ryans-career-as-told-through-songs-by-rage-against-the-machine-a-band-he-once-supposedly-liked/

Ryan wasn’t he the wonder boy who would balance the budget ? As it turns out he did a shit job 
http://amp.fox25boston.com/www.fox25boston.com/news/politics/as-deficit-soars-house-to-vote-on-gop-balanced-budget-amendment/730940768?utm_source=homestream&utm_medium=site_navigation&utm_campaign=homestream_click

oftenreading

josevolution said:

tbergs said:

Nice send off for Ryan a la RATM. Haha!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/04/11/paul-ryans-career-as-told-through-songs-by-rage-against-the-machine-a-band-he-once-supposedly-liked/

Ryan wasn’t he the wonder boy who would balance the budget ? As it turns out he did a shit job 
http://amp.fox25boston.com/www.fox25boston.com/news/politics/as-deficit-soars-house-to-vote-on-gop-balanced-budget-amendment/730940768?utm_source=homestream&utm_medium=site_navigation&utm_campaign=homestream_click

Interesting stat in there - the only four years in the last 49 that the US has not run a deficit have been while a Democrat was president. 

Halifax2TheMax

oftenreading said:

josevolution said:

tbergs said:

Nice send off for Ryan a la RATM. Haha!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/04/11/paul-ryans-career-as-told-through-songs-by-rage-against-the-machine-a-band-he-once-supposedly-liked/

Ryan wasn’t he the wonder boy who would balance the budget ? As it turns out he did a shit job 
http://amp.fox25boston.com/www.fox25boston.com/news/politics/as-deficit-soars-house-to-vote-on-gop-balanced-budget-amendment/730940768?utm_source=homestream&utm_medium=site_navigation&utm_campaign=homestream_click

Interesting stat in there - the only four years in the last 49 that the US has not run a deficit have been while a Democrat was president. 

Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary! Emails! Benghazi! Both sides are the same!
 

mrussel1

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 

(replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.

I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  

Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 

(replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.

I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  

Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  

religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 

Smellyman

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 

(replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.

I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  

Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - JC

mrussel1

Smellyman said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 

(replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.

I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  

Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - JC

This was a parable, not an instruction by JC.  Most have interpreted this where the "King" is God and this is taking place on judgment day.  Jesus is not king in this story.  

This is what my understanding of this verse was.  

PJPOWER

mrussel1 said:

Smellyman said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 

(replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.

I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  

Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - JC

This was a parable, not an instruction by JC.  Most have interpreted this where the "King" is God and this is taking place on judgment day.  Jesus is not king in this story.  

This is what my understanding of this verse was.  

I did a bit of research and this is my understanding as well.  

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

Smellyman said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 

(replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.

I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  

Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - JC

This was a parable, not an instruction by JC.  Most have interpreted this where the "King" is God and this is taking place on judgment day.  Jesus is not king in this story.  

This is what my understanding of this verse was.  

but isn't JC God on earth? they are one in the same, are they not? what kind of god instructs the destruction of his own children? and yet the right wing nutters talk about Allah wanting the same thing for his enemies. 

all major religions are the same. obedience or death. 

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

Smellyman said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 

(replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.

I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  

Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - JC

This was a parable, not an instruction by JC.  Most have interpreted this where the "King" is God and this is taking place on judgment day.  Jesus is not king in this story.  

This is what my understanding of this verse was.  

but isn't JC God on earth? they are one in the same, are they not? what kind of god instructs the destruction of his own children? and yet the right wing nutters talk about Allah wanting the same thing for his enemies. 

all major religions are the same. obedience or death. 

Yeah that's a good point, I think he is considered God in the flesh.  But still, I don't think he was the king in the parable, and judgment day was always a theme.  

And yes, obedience or death was the name of the game.  But Jesus also preached sympathy, helping the poor, humility, welcoming of strangers, etc.  These are all good lessons for today.

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

Smellyman said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 

(replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.

I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  

Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - JC

This was a parable, not an instruction by JC.  Most have interpreted this where the "King" is God and this is taking place on judgment day.  Jesus is not king in this story.  

This is what my understanding of this verse was.  

but isn't JC God on earth? they are one in the same, are they not? what kind of god instructs the destruction of his own children? and yet the right wing nutters talk about Allah wanting the same thing for his enemies. 

all major religions are the same. obedience or death. 

Yeah that's a good point, I think he is considered God in the flesh.  But still, I don't think he was the king in the parable, and judgment day was always a theme.  

And yes, obedience or death was the name of the game.  But Jesus also preached sympathy, helping the poor, humility, welcoming of strangers, etc.  These are all good lessons for today.

this is part of what bugs me about religion. 

jesus is humble and sympathetic and a good person when it suits the agenda. 
god expects obedience, subservience, and those who don't to be killed. 

but jesus is god and god is jesus. just not when we're talking about the "my way or death" part.  

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

Smellyman said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 

(replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.

I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  

Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - JC

This was a parable, not an instruction by JC.  Most have interpreted this where the "King" is God and this is taking place on judgment day.  Jesus is not king in this story.  

This is what my understanding of this verse was.  

but isn't JC God on earth? they are one in the same, are they not? what kind of god instructs the destruction of his own children? and yet the right wing nutters talk about Allah wanting the same thing for his enemies. 

all major religions are the same. obedience or death. 

Yeah that's a good point, I think he is considered God in the flesh.  But still, I don't think he was the king in the parable, and judgment day was always a theme.  

And yes, obedience or death was the name of the game.  But Jesus also preached sympathy, helping the poor, humility, welcoming of strangers, etc.  These are all good lessons for today.

this is part of what bugs me about religion. 

jesus is humble and sympathetic and a good person when it suits the agenda. 
god expects obedience, subservience, and those who don't to be killed. 

but jesus is god and god is jesus. just not when we're talking about the "my way or death" part.  

All this presumes we should take the fact that he is the Son of God literally.  The Bible was written by man, it's corrupted by man, it suits man.  There is certainly a difference between the old and new testaments.  

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

Smellyman said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 

(replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.

I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  

Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - JC

This was a parable, not an instruction by JC.  Most have interpreted this where the "King" is God and this is taking place on judgment day.  Jesus is not king in this story.  

This is what my understanding of this verse was.  

but isn't JC God on earth? they are one in the same, are they not? what kind of god instructs the destruction of his own children? and yet the right wing nutters talk about Allah wanting the same thing for his enemies. 

all major religions are the same. obedience or death. 

Yeah that's a good point, I think he is considered God in the flesh.  But still, I don't think he was the king in the parable, and judgment day was always a theme.  

And yes, obedience or death was the name of the game.  But Jesus also preached sympathy, helping the poor, humility, welcoming of strangers, etc.  These are all good lessons for today.

this is part of what bugs me about religion. 

jesus is humble and sympathetic and a good person when it suits the agenda. 
god expects obedience, subservience, and those who don't to be killed. 

but jesus is god and god is jesus. just not when we're talking about the "my way or death" part.  

All this presumes we should take the fact that he is the Son of God literally.  The Bible was written by man, it's corrupted by man, it suits man.  There is certainly a difference between the old and new testaments.  

I think it's all rubbish. for that very reason (written by man with an obvious agenda)