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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    You think that less than 2% pre tax on a one time basis is material?  You must be a sucker too.  

    What's a reinvestment?  Is it updating a plant with better technology and robotics that will eventually bring in higher paid engineers and reduce the total workforce on a 1:5 ratio?  Reinvestment is ambiguous.  What does it mean?
    I think reinvestment means "influencing" and "meddling" in businesses.

    You're right, these companies/corps (people now) can make PR promises and never deliver. I dont think that the majority of middle classers are concerned with deficits or anything 8 years from now. If we're to believe reports, a very high number of citizens are crippled with debt, cant afford healthcare, live pay check to pay check and dont have even $1,000 saved. If a company increases its tech or expands operations its placing orders for goods/services which puts people to work. Lets get through 2017 then we will worry about 2018 or 2025. The credit cards bills will be rolling in any day now...   
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    You think that less than 2% pre tax on a one time basis is material?  You must be a sucker too.  

    What's a reinvestment?  Is it updating a plant with better technology and robotics that will eventually bring in higher paid engineers and reduce the total workforce on a 1:5 ratio?  Reinvestment is ambiguous.  What does it mean?
    I think reinvestment means "influencing" and "meddling" in businesses.

    You're right, these companies/corps (people now) can make PR promises and never deliver. I dont think that the majority of middle classers are concerned with deficits or anything 8 years from now. If we're to believe reports, a very high number of citizens are crippled with debt, cant afford healthcare, live pay check to pay check and dont have even $1,000 saved. If a company increases its tech or expands operations its placing orders for goods/services which puts people to work. Lets get through 2017 then we will worry about 2018 or 2025. The credit cards bills will be rolling in any day now...   
    I'm pretty they'll be concerned when republicans next try to gut social security and medicaid to pay for this monstrosity....
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    The Fixer said:
    JC29856 said:
    The Fixer said:
    CM189191 said:
    The Fixer said:
    JC29856 said:
    The Fixer said:
    brianlux said:
    The Fixer said:
    What happened to them?

    Why can't they get anything done despite controlling all branches of government?

    And will they survive the trump impeachment/resignation?

    Discuss.
    We've been busy partying since November of 2016.

    Today we start another celebration.  It's a great day as tax reform moves forward.  Gonna be a great 7-8 years of financial prosperity due to falling tax rates.

    Thank you Hillary -- this wouldn't be possible without you being such a loser
    Glad to hear you are a wealthy business owner! So nice for you. 
    Yeah, for sure.  It's gotta be nice!

    What's it feel like to be up there in the top 1%, Fixer.  Lotta nose bleeds?
    Definitely not in the 1% -- my family is still getting a healthy tax rate reduction.
    Hedge funder? remember when Trump promised to close the carried interest loophole?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-28/cohn-says-trump-committed-to-ending-carried-interest-loophole
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/03/business/trump-carried-interest-tax-loophole.html
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/republicans-love-welfarefor-the-rich-its-called-the-carried-interest-loophole



    ha, I wish I was a hedge funder.  I'm just a normal married guy with kids who works hard and pays taxes.  My family is far from rich, so it will be great to have a tax reprieve for close to a decade

    not all republicans are part of the 1% -- don't listen to the liberal media


    How does it go?  If you're a Republican you're either a billionaire or an idiot.  If you're unsure which you are, check your bank account.

    This isn't a tax reprieve.  It's a cash grab for the wealthy, and you've been conned.  Congratulations, sucker! 
    so because I have money in the bank -- and will soon have exponentially more money in my account due to lower taxes - I'm an idiot?

    money is a good thing.  having more of it to use at your own discretion is a net positive.  

    that list above is cute - nice reliable source you've got there
    Im stealing this from someone else, the US Treasury will gladly accept any amount more than is due on your tax return. I suggest making two checks payable, 1 for the taxes due per your 1040 and the other for students, teachers, veterans, seniors, disabled, homeowners, adoptions, 1st responders, chronically ill, just notate that in the memo field. Im sure the Treasury department will spend it wisely.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/justicedemocrats/

    no thanks.  I'm anti-handout.  rather keep the money I earn and take care of my family.  

    the government rarely spends wisely
    "Anti-handout"? That's funny. 

    If you drive a car on roads, if you use the bus, or subway, or train, if you walk on side walks, if you make use of any public utilities like, oh, electricity and water, if your kids go to school, if you ever call on police or paramedics, if you ever go to a public park or playground, if you're a homeowner and claim the mortgage interest credit, if you claim the child tax credit..... then yes, you're getting "hand-outs". But it's only the other guys that get hand-outs; what I get is well-deserved. 
     
     
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited December 2017

    The Republican Party Has Bowed, Completely, to the Mad King

    They're now running interference in the Russia probe and kissing the Trumpian ring.


    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a14478536/republican-party-trump-russia/

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    You think that less than 2% pre tax on a one time basis is material?  You must be a sucker too.  

    What's a reinvestment?  Is it updating a plant with better technology and robotics that will eventually bring in higher paid engineers and reduce the total workforce on a 1:5 ratio?  Reinvestment is ambiguous.  What does it mean?
    Stock buy backs
    Bingo
    Yep, he nailed it.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    You think that less than 2% pre tax on a one time basis is material?  You must be a sucker too.  

    What's a reinvestment?  Is it updating a plant with better technology and robotics that will eventually bring in higher paid engineers and reduce the total workforce on a 1:5 ratio?  Reinvestment is ambiguous.  What does it mean?
    I think reinvestment means "influencing" and "meddling" in businesses.

    You're right, these companies/corps (people now) can make PR promises and never deliver. I dont think that the majority of middle classers are concerned with deficits or anything 8 years from now. If we're to believe reports, a very high number of citizens are crippled with debt, cant afford healthcare, live pay check to pay check and dont have even $1,000 saved. If a company increases its tech or expands operations its placing orders for goods/services which puts people to work. Lets get through 2017 then we will worry about 2018 or 2025. The credit cards bills will be rolling in any day now...   
    Great call.  All these investments should bring our 4% unemployment down to 3.999% while ballooning the deficit by a trillion dollars, making it difficult for any new social investments.  Should work out great for the middle class.  
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,401
    the republican party has lost all high ground and credibility when it comes to being the party of fiscal responsibility. they pledge to not add to the debt or the deficit. every one of them can go fuck themselves. they have no credibility left. adding 1.5 trillion to the debt is exact opposite of what they always preach.

    debt and deficits only matter when black democrats are in power i suppose.
    Ummmm not black democrats, only democrats.  Oh...or it matters to democrats when a republican is in the white house.  That's the thing, it matters to everyone at different times...but only when they don't have the power to fix it.  Once they have the power, they no longer care.
    you don't see a problem that the party that has spent the last 35 years saying "we will not vote for anything that increases deficits, increases the debt, or does not pay for itself through other cuts" passing a bill that raises the deficit, raises the debt, and does not pay for itself as a problem? 

    these are the people that opposed obama at every single turn because he was a black man.

    all of these republicans can go get fucked. they just voted their job away. trump is gonna be a lame duck when the blue tsunami hits in 2018. if mueller does not get to him beforehand.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    the republican party has lost all high ground and credibility when it comes to being the party of fiscal responsibility. they pledge to not add to the debt or the deficit. every one of them can go fuck themselves. they have no credibility left. adding 1.5 trillion to the debt is exact opposite of what they always preach.

    debt and deficits only matter when black democrats are in power i suppose.
    Ummmm not black democrats, only democrats.  Oh...or it matters to democrats when a republican is in the white house.  That's the thing, it matters to everyone at different times...but only when they don't have the power to fix it.  Once they have the power, they no longer care.
    you don't see a problem that the party that has spent the last 35 years saying "we will not vote for anything that increases deficits, increases the debt, or does not pay for itself through other cuts" passing a bill that raises the deficit, raises the debt, and does not pay for itself as a problem? 

    these are the people that opposed obama at every single turn because he was a black man.

    all of these republicans can go get fucked. they just voted their job away. trump is gonna be a lame duck when the blue tsunami hits in 2018. if mueller does not get to him beforehand.
    How about when the tea partyers in congress refused to vote for disaster relief unless it had an offset?  Yeah.. that was a funny one...
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    This party sure has big balls to say that the FBI conspired to get Clinton elected. 
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,458
    dignin said:
    This party sure has big balls to say that the FBI conspired to get Clinton elected. 
    Right, because announcing an investigation in to a bunch of emails a week before the election would surely result in victory. They loved it at the time, but now they were working on behalf of Clinton. Keep flipping.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    tbergs said:
    dignin said:
    This party sure has big balls to say that the FBI conspired to get Clinton elected. 
    Right, because announcing an investigation in to a bunch of emails a week before the election would surely result in victory. They loved it at the time, but now they were working on behalf of Clinton. Keep flipping.

    Makes no sense at all. What a waste of time.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/opinion/why-im-still-a-nevertrumper.html?rref=collection/column/bret-stephens&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection


    Why I’m Still a NeverTrumper


    Many conservatives have decided that the best way to deal with Trump’s personality is to pretend it doesn’t matter. CreditZach Gibson for The New York Times 

    Tax cuts. Deregulation. More for the military; less for the United Nations. The Islamic State crushed in its heartland. Assad hit with cruise missiles. Troops to Afghanistan. Arms for Ukraine. A tougher approach to North Korea. Jerusalem recognized as Israel’s capital. The Iran deal decertified. Title IX kangaroo courts on campus condemned. Yes to Keystone. No to Paris. Wall Street roaring and consumer confidence high.

    And, of course, Neil Gorsuch on the Supreme Court. What, for a conservative, is there to dislike about this policy record as the Trump administration rounds out its first year in office?

    That’s the question I keep hearing from old friends on the right who voted with misgiving for Donald Trump last year and now find reasons to like him. I admit it gives me pause. I agree with every one of the policy decisions mentioned above. But I still wish Hillary Clinton were president.

    How does that make sense? Can I still call myself conservative?

    The answer depends on your definition. Here’s one I’ve always liked: “The central conservative truth is that it is culture, not politics, that determines the success of a society,” said the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan. To which he added: “The central liberal truth is that politics can change a culture and save it from itself.”

    Conservatives used to believe in their truth. Want to “solve” poverty? All the welfare dollars in the world won’t help if two-parent families aren’t intact. Want to foster democracy abroad? It’s going to be rough going if too many voters reject the foundational concept of minority rights.

    This is the fatal mistake of conservatives who’ve decided the best way to deal with Trump’s personality — the lying, narcissism, bullying, bigotry, crassness, name calling, ignorance, paranoia, incompetence and pettiness — is to pretend it doesn’t matter. “Character Doesn’t Count” has become a de facto G.O.P. motto. “Virtue Doesn’t Matter” might be another.

    But character does count, and virtue does matter, and Trump’s shortcomings prove it daily.

    Maybe you think the Russia investigation is much ado about nothing. Yet Trump brought it on himself every step of the way, from firing James Comey after the former F.B.I. director wouldn’t swear fealty, to (potentially) admitting to obstruction of justice with that tweet about Mike Flynn’s firing. Or maybe you regret the failure to repeal Obamacare. But that had something to do with the grotesque insults Trump lobbed at John McCain, the man whose “nay” vote sank repeal.

    Look at every other administration embarrassment (Scaramucci) or failure (the wall, and Mexico paying for it) or disgrace (the Charlottesville equivocation). Responsibility invariably lies with the president’s intemperance and dishonesty. That puts Republican control of Congress in play. It also risks permanently alienating a millennial generation for which the G.O.P. will forever be the party of the child-molesting sore loser and the president who endorsed him.

    Now look at the culture of governance. Trump demands testimonials from his cabinet, servility from Republican politicians and worship from conservative media. To serve in this White House isn’t to be elevated to public service. It’s to be debased into toadyism, which probably explains the record-setting staff turnover of 34 percent, according to an analysis from the Brookings Institution.

    In place of presidential addresses, stump speeches or town halls, we have Trump’s demagogic mass rallies. In place of the usual jousting between the administration and the press, we have a president who fantasizes on Twitter about physically assaulting CNN. In place of a president who defends the honor and integrity of his own officers and agencies, we have one who humiliates his attorney general, denigrates the F.B.I. and compares our intelligence agencies to the Gestapo.

    Trump is normalizing all this; he is, to borrow another Moynihan phrase, “defining deviancy down.” A president who supposedly wants to put a wall between the U.S. and Latin America has imported a style of politics reminiscent of the cults of Juan Perón and Hugo Chávez.

    Conservatives may suppose that they can pocket policy gains from a Trump administration while the stain of his person will eventually wash away. But as a (pro-Trump) friend wrote me the other day, “presidents empower cultures.” Trump is empowering a conservative political culture that celebrates everything that patriotic Americans should fear: the cult of strength, open disdain for truthfulness, violent contempt for the Fourth Estate, hostility toward high culture and other types of “elitism,” a penchant for conspiracy theories and, most dangerously, white-identity politics.

    This won’t end with Trump. It may have only begun with him. And Trump’s supporters may wind up proving both sides of Moynihan’s contention: not just that culture is what matters most, but that politics can still change it — in this case, much for the worse.

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    #corporatetaxcuts
    #maga
     

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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Also.....
    AT&T, touting bonuses and investment fueled by tax reform, quietly lays off thousands
    https://www.indystar.com/story/money/2018/01/02/t-touting-bonuses-and-investment-fueled/992690001/
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    CM189191 said:
    Also.....
    AT&T, touting bonuses and investment fueled by tax reform, quietly lays off thousands
    https://www.indystar.com/story/money/2018/01/02/t-touting-bonuses-and-investment-fueled/992690001/
    I for one, am shocked. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    CM189191 said:
    Also.....
    AT&T, touting bonuses and investment fueled by tax reform, quietly lays off thousands
    https://www.indystar.com/story/money/2018/01/02/t-touting-bonuses-and-investment-fueled/992690001/
    Wonder what some posters (like @EdsonNascimento) from the Tax Reform thread think about this? Seems some thought that big business would actually follow through on those promises about wages and hiring.... 
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    CM189191 said:
    Also.....
    AT&T, touting bonuses and investment fueled by tax reform, quietly lays off thousands
    https://www.indystar.com/story/money/2018/01/02/t-touting-bonuses-and-investment-fueled/992690001/
    Wonder what some posters (like @EdsonNascimento) from the Tax Reform thread think about this? Seems some thought that big business would actually follow through on those promises about wages and hiring.... 
    Trickle down economics! The drizzling shit is trickling down the pant legs of CEOs and dumping on the workers. Deplorable.  
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    the republican party has lost all high ground and credibility when it comes to being the party of fiscal responsibility. they pledge to not add to the debt or the deficit. every one of them can go fuck themselves. they have no credibility left. adding 1.5 trillion to the debt is exact opposite of what they always preach.

    debt and deficits only matter when black democrats are in power i suppose.
    Ummmm not black democrats, only democrats.  Oh...or it matters to democrats when a republican is in the white house.  That's the thing, it matters to everyone at different times...but only when they don't have the power to fix it.  Once they have the power, they no longer care.
    you don't see a problem that the party that has spent the last 35 years saying "we will not vote for anything that increases deficits, increases the debt, or does not pay for itself through other cuts" passing a bill that raises the deficit, raises the debt, and does not pay for itself as a problem? 

    these are the people that opposed obama at every single turn because he was a black man.

    all of these republicans can go get fucked. they just voted their job away. trump is gonna be a lame duck when the blue tsunami hits in 2018. if mueller does not get to him beforehand.
    Not sure where you got that idea.  Yes I see a huge problem with it.  I already stated the republican party is dead (the old GOP).  I think it nuts....and I'm tired of politicians never doing what they say they want to do when they finally have the power.  It's disgusting.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited January 2018
    CM189191 said:
    Also.....
    AT&T, touting bonuses and investment fueled by tax reform, quietly lays off thousands
    https://www.indystar.com/story/money/2018/01/02/t-touting-bonuses-and-investment-fueled/992690001/
    I read the article but "I believe" it doesn't say anything about 1000s of layoffs? I see 12% cuts in Indiana which are 42 positions certainly not 1000s. should "I believe" the headline.....

    AT&T, touting bonuses and investment fueled by tax reform, quietly lays off thousands

    "I'll believe" it when I see it! 

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