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To tell the truth, no, I have no idea. But they were around during those elections, this we know, and there was, to my knowledge, no fuss made about them at the time. I don't personally give a crap about those buttons either way because I know all major politicians will do whatever it takes to get votes.mrussel1 said:
Do you think the HRC campaign created those? Really?brianlux said:Why were these considered OK?
But that's not what's relevant. What's relevant is that this is the kind of thing we see people picking and choosing. One things is OK today, not OK tomorrow or is OK for this person but not for that.
What is relevant is how we approach problems of disagreements and that leads back to my questions stated above:
Does anyone think for one minute that going down there and saying, "You're BAD and we're tearing your statues down!" is going to change anyone's mind about the underlying illness of racism? Come on, really?
What if someone came up to you and took something you value and replace it with what you think is right- is that going to go down well with you? No, seriously, think about it. And yeah, OK, erroneously you think this thing is cool but it's not but is some outsider beating down your door and telling you you're "You're bad, you're wrong!" etc., going to change your mind about anything?
Tearing down statutes is relatively easy but all we've gained so far is more strife and division. The solution to the problem-- that's not going to be that easy it will take a lot of hard work.
And here's another question I think worth considering: If he were alive, what would MLK do?
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BLM vs Antifa-Anarcho-Communists... This would be worthy of that little popcorn eating emoji!
https://mobile.twitter.com/UncleChangNYC/status/899373007621246976?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https://www.youngcons.com/blm-protesters-confront-antifa-at-rally-for-wearing-masks-watch-how-guy-responds/
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Anti-fa:November 4th is national riot day!PJPOWER said:BLM vs Antifa-Anarcho-Communists... This would be worthy of that little popcorn eating emoji!
https://mobile.twitter.com/UncleChangNYC/status/899373007621246976?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https://www.youngcons.com/blm-protesters-confront-antifa-at-rally-for-wearing-masks-watch-how-guy-responds/
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Wonder which city's tax payers are going to have to foot the bill for the mess they make...cleaning up their shit cannot be cheap.JC29856 said:
Anti-fa:November 4th is national riot day!PJPOWER said:BLM vs Antifa-Anarcho-Communists... This would be worthy of that little popcorn eating emoji!
https://mobile.twitter.com/UncleChangNYC/status/899373007621246976?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https://www.youngcons.com/blm-protesters-confront-antifa-at-rally-for-wearing-masks-watch-how-guy-responds/
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The irony is thick this morning.PJPOWER said:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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This is kind of an old story, right?Halifax2TheMax said:0 -
Irony never gets old but it's sometimes lost.PJPOWER said:
This is kind of an old story, right?Halifax2TheMax said:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Speaking of irony, did you see this?Halifax2TheMax said:
Irony never gets old but it's sometimes lost.PJPOWER said:
This is kind of an old story, right?Halifax2TheMax said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/UncleChangNYC/status/899373007621246976?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https://www.youngcons.com/blm-protesters-confront-antifa-at-rally-for-wearing-masks-watch-how-guy-responds/
This is "new" irony!0 -
http://abcnews.go.com/US/houston-man-accused-attempting-damage-confederate-monument/story
incendiary materials = nitroglycerin
desecrate = blow to pieces
An apparent chemistry buff is in federal custody after a Houston park ranger approached him as he was allegedly intending to use incendiary materials to desecrate a statue of a Confederate commander because he didn't like the man depicted.
Preliminary results of the liquid, the complaint states, "indicate that the clear liquid was most likely nitroglycerin" and the powder, authorities believe, is hexamethylene triperoxide diamine (HMTD).
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HOw do you know they were around? I've never seen them before and I live in Virginia. That could very well be a troll item (like the Trump Russian flag) or more likely photoshopped. I do know for damn sure that HRC campaign didn't make them, so the very premise of your post is false.brianlux said:
To tell the truth, no, I have no idea. But they were around during those elections, this we know, and there was, to my knowledge, no fuss made about them at the time. I don't personally give a crap about those buttons either way because I know all major politicians will do whatever it takes to get votes.mrussel1 said:
Do you think the HRC campaign created those? Really?brianlux said:Why were these considered OK?
But that's not what's relevant. What's relevant is that this is the kind of thing we see people picking and choosing. One things is OK today, not OK tomorrow or is OK for this person but not for that.
What is relevant is how we approach problems of disagreements and that leads back to my questions stated above:
Does anyone think for one minute that going down there and saying, "You're BAD and we're tearing your statues down!" is going to change anyone's mind about the underlying illness of racism? Come on, really?
What if someone came up to you and took something you value and replace it with what you think is right- is that going to go down well with you? No, seriously, think about it. And yeah, OK, erroneously you think this thing is cool but it's not but is some outsider beating down your door and telling you you're "You're bad, you're wrong!" etc., going to change your mind about anything?
Tearing down statutes is relatively easy but all we've gained so far is more strife and division. The solution to the problem-- that's not going to be that easy it will take a lot of hard work.
And here's another question I think worth considering: If he were alive, what would MLK do?
Most rational people aren't advocating tearing them down and throwing them away, rather putting them in a museum type environment where they can be given proper context. I'm not sure how anyone can defend putting up on a pedestal (literally) individuals that took up arms against our country in order to preserve the institution of slavery....and lost.0 -
Peaceful protester if I ever saw oneJC29856 said:http://abcnews.go.com/US/houston-man-accused-attempting-damage-confederate-monument/story
incendiary materials = nitroglycerin
desecrate = blow to pieces
An apparent chemistry buff is in federal custody after a Houston park ranger approached him as he was allegedly intending to use incendiary materials to desecrate a statue of a Confederate commander because he didn't like the man depicted.
Preliminary results of the liquid, the complaint states, "indicate that the clear liquid was most likely nitroglycerin" and the powder, authorities believe, is hexamethylene triperoxide diamine (HMTD).
. This "War against statues" is getting comical! 0 -
Why are we diverting to Trump and Russia flags? Brian asked a pertinent question with confederate flags and past Dems campaigns. Those complaining of irony and pointing at the other side are partaking in the deflect or "whataboutism" stategy often used in their favor when it's a Trump or Antifa statement.Halifax2TheMax said:
Irony never gets old but it's sometimes lost.PJPOWER said:
This is kind of an old story, right?Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Brian is spot on. It's like the Trump eclipse story. If that was anyone else, and I mean political leader, no one would care, but because Trump is a bumbling doofus, it's a national story. Make fun and move on.
Remember how you felt when the right made fun or criticized everything Obama did. Didn't change your mind I'm guessing so don't expect it to for him either. Everything has become a childish game of trying to point who does what wrong constantly, and I mean by all sides.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Obama sent him.JC29856 said:http://abcnews.go.com/US/houston-man-accused-attempting-damage-confederate-monument/story
incendiary materials = nitroglycerin
desecrate = blow to pieces
An apparent chemistry buff is in federal custody after a Houston park ranger approached him as he was allegedly intending to use incendiary materials to desecrate a statue of a Confederate commander because he didn't like the man depicted.
Preliminary results of the liquid, the complaint states, "indicate that the clear liquid was most likely nitroglycerin" and the powder, authorities believe, is hexamethylene triperoxide diamine (HMTD).09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I'm arguing that those aren't real. There's no way in God's green earth that the HRC campaign produced stars and bars pins. They are trolls or photoshop. So the whole premise is bullshit.tbergs said:
Why are we diverting to Trump and Russia flags? Brian asked a pertinent question with confederate flags and past Dems campaigns. Those complaining of irony and pointing at the other side are partaking in the deflect or "whataboutism" stategy often used in their favor when it's a Trump or Antifa statement.Halifax2TheMax said:
Irony never gets old but it's sometimes lost.PJPOWER said:
This is kind of an old story, right?Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Brian is spot on. It's like the Trump eclipse story. If that was anyone else, and I mean political leader, no one would care, but because Trump is a bumbling doofus, it's a national story. Make fun and move on.
Remember how you felt when the right made fun or criticized everything Obama did. Didn't change your mind I'm guessing so don't expect it to for him either. Everything has become a childish game of trying to point who does what wrong constantly, and I mean by all sides.0 -
And the Trump Russia flag is pertinent because likewise, those were created by a troll who thought it was funny. So it's actually germane because it's two sides of the same coin.0
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It would actually be a different coin. Russian flags touch on the collusion issue and the idiotic notion that trump supporter think "Russia is our friend". Stars and bars Clinton pins, even if they were real, are marketing around a symbol. Only relevant now because of tension around symbols of the old South.mrussel1 said:And the Trump Russia flag is pertinent because likewise, those were created by a troll who thought it was funny. So it's actually germane because it's two sides of the same coin.0 -
Okay, I won't argue that. Teh point was more that people can fabricate pins, buttons, flags, whatever. We know the Trump/Russian flags were troll material, and I'm willing to bet the Clinton ones were the same thing.Go Beavers said:
It would actually be a different coin. Russian flags touch on the collusion issue and the idiotic notion that trump supporter think "Russia is our friend". Stars and bars Clinton pins, even if they were real, are marketing around a symbol. Only relevant now because of tension around symbols of the old South.mrussel1 said:And the Trump Russia flag is pertinent because likewise, those were created by a troll who thought it was funny. So it's actually germane because it's two sides of the same coin.0
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