I don't care if it takes 100 opinions, it should be the decision of the parents to cease treatment, not the courts.
Disagree....if the medical experts believe the well being of the child is being abused (which is the case here) then the courts should step in and stop it.
This isn't a money issue...that's obvious. The "government" in this case is protecting one of its citizens.
Hmmm...this is a very difficult case for me to consider. Emotionally I want the parents to decide for their child. I have a hard time with someone telling the parents that their child must die. But I get the medical prognosis. Such a sad thing all around.
But to call the parents selfish is way the hell out of line.
It works in reverse too....i.e. Terry Schiavo
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I have said all that I am going to on this subject. Have a good day.
I don't care if it takes 100 opinions, it should be the decision of the parents to cease treatment, not the courts.
Disagree....if the medical experts believe the well being of the child is being abused (which is the case here) then the courts should step in and stop it.
This isn't a money issue...that's obvious. The "government" in this case is protecting one of its citizens.
Hmmm...this is a very difficult case for me to consider. Emotionally I want the parents to decide for their child. I have a hard time with someone telling the parents that their child must die. But I get the medical prognosis. Such a sad thing all around.
But to call the parents selfish is way the hell out of line.
Yah Unsung... I'm struggling to find your spin on this situation as well.
There is no spin. I am being upfront.
These parents raised the money to have their child treated in the States, but a government goon is telling them the better option is death. This is exactly the Death Trials or whatever that idiot Sarah Palin was talking about.
Parents know what is best for their children, not some bureaucrat.
Yah Unsung... I'm struggling to find your spin on this situation as well.
There is no spin. I am being upfront.
These parents raised the money to have their child treated in the States, but a government goon is telling them the better option is death. This is exactly the Death Trials or whatever that idiot Sarah Palin was talking about.
Parents know what is best for their children, not some bureaucrat.
It's not "some bureaucrat", it's the child's doctors and hospital staff. Quite a distinction.
People get second opinions all of the time. People also go to places that are willing to treat conditions that others places will not.
Yah Unsung... I'm struggling to find your spin on this situation as well.
There is no spin. I am being upfront.
These parents raised the money to have their child treated in the States, but a government goon is telling them the better option is death. This is exactly the Death Trials or whatever that idiot Sarah Palin was talking about.
Parents know what is best for their children, not some bureaucrat.
I have said all that I am going to on this subject. Have a good day.
Looking through your thoughts here, your core belief seems to be that one's money should dictate one's future, and a government shouldn't have any place to say what a person can or can't do. What about when parents send their child (unwillingly) for an "experimental" treatment in NGL (No-Government Land) in Bob's Mobile Surgery Truck Co., which goes awry. Who is liable? There were no restrictions, so Bob's was allowed to cut a person open and draw toothpaste circles on his stomach lining, claiming it would work wonders ("it's experimental"). The parents then shot Bob. They had a contract, but without a lawyer to validate it or a police agent to enforce a penalty, this was just easier.
You spend days and days on here shitting on the government's role in day-to-day life, but the unregulated, unenforced, voluntary firefighting, vigilante justice is a bat-shit crazy notion that literally could not exist in the world. Your vision has gaping holes in it which you refuse to debate. If your vision could exist, I wouldn't leave my house - I'd just kill myself, knowing I had a matter of days anyways until someone with a gun bigger than mine declared my land their own.
But I have said all that I am going to on this subject. Have a good day.
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Yah Unsung... I'm struggling to find your spin on this situation as well.
There is no spin. I am being upfront.
These parents raised the money to have their child treated in the States, but a government goon is telling them the better option is death. This is exactly the Death Trials or whatever that idiot Sarah Palin was talking about.
Parents know what is best for their children, not some bureaucrat.
Yah Unsung... I'm struggling to find your spin on this situation as well.
There is no spin. I am being upfront.
These parents raised the money to have their child treated in the States, but a government goon is telling them the better option is death. This is exactly the Death Trials or whatever that idiot Sarah Palin was talking about.
Parents know what is best for their children, not some bureaucrat.
It's not "some bureaucrat", it's the child's doctors and hospital staff. Quite a distinction.
People get second opinions all of the time. People also go to places that are willing to treat conditions that others places will not.
Yah Unsung... I'm struggling to find your spin on this situation as well.
There is no spin. I am being upfront.
These parents raised the money to have their child treated in the States, but a government goon is telling them the better option is death. This is exactly the Death Trials or whatever that idiot Sarah Palin was talking about.
Parents know what is best for their children, not some bureaucrat.
I have said all that I am going to on this subject. Have a good day.
Looking through your thoughts here, your core belief seems to be that one's money should dictate one's future, and a government shouldn't have any place to say what a person can or can't do. What about when parents send their child (unwillingly) for an "experimental" treatment in NGL (No-Government Land) in Bob's Mobile Surgery Truck Co., which goes awry. Who is liable? There were no restrictions, so Bob's was allowed to cut a person open and draw toothpaste circles on his stomach lining, claiming it would work wonders ("it's experimental"). The parents then shot Bob. They had a contract, but without a lawyer to validate it or a police agent to enforce a penalty, this was just easier.
You spend days and days on here shitting on the government's role in day-to-day life, but the unregulated, unenforced, voluntary firefighting, vigilante justice is a bat-shit crazy notion that literally could not exist in the world. Your vision has gaping holes in it which you refuse to debate. If your vision could exist, I wouldn't leave my house - I'd just kill myself, knowing I had a matter of days anyways until someone with a gun bigger than mine declared my land their own.
But I have said all that I am going to on this subject. Have a good day.
It's a hopeless situation...
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I have said all that I am going to on this subject. Have a good day.
walking away when challenged.
Yeah, because I am known to back down.
I gave my point, I have nothing else that I want to add.
actually, you often do. someone asks you a direct question and you avoid it completely or come up with some nonsensical rebuttal that veers onto some other point.
if you don't want to answer because you know that it will be hypocritical to your stance in this thread, fine, but don't make it out like you're "work here is done".
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Honestly I don't think it's that hard to figure out that one could side with protecting life.
So - parents choice to keep child alive against all odds & government/courts stepping in to keep someone alive (especially an adult) if there is any medical option. Now, if it were a child and the parents wanted to pull the plug and the medical backed it up, I'm not sure the government/court should have a say. With an adult, it's a little trickier unless spelled out in a will cause who gets to make the call? Spouse? Parents?
Honestly I don't think it's that hard to figure out that one could side with protecting life.
So - parents choice to keep child alive against all odds & government/courts stepping in to keep someone alive (especially an adult) if there is any medical option. Now, if it were a child and the parents wanted to pull the plug and the medical backed it up, I'm not sure the government/court should have a say. With an adult, it's a little trickier unless spelled out in a will cause who gets to make the call? Spouse? Parents?
I hope these parents can find peace.
some want government to have zero impact in the decisions of daily life....unless of course it doesn't fit that particular agenda, in which case they won't talk about it.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
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I have said all that I am going to on this subject. Have a good day.
walking away when challenged.
Yeah, because I am known to back down.
I gave my point, I have nothing else that I want to add.
actually, you often do. someone asks you a direct question and you avoid it completely or come up with some nonsensical rebuttal that veers onto some other point.
if you don't want to answer because you know that it will be hypocritical to your stance in this thread, fine, but don't make it out like you're "work here is done".
Whatever you say. Start another topic, don't lecture me about life.
I am not debating life with a group of people that think it doesn't begin until birth.
I hope Charlie's parents find the strength to deal with this.
If you won't debate with people who hold different premises than you, then your inconsequentially small group will remain inconsequentially small, and you'll have no one to blame but yourself; because you are only willing to preach, rather than to teach.
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Humaneness is what it comes down to for me. Not anything dictated by any one or any entity, but by compassion and by being realistic - maybe unselfish too (get that that last part must be a huge fucking hurdle).
When our kitty was failing at 17+ years, we had to do right by her. We'd have done the same were she younger when our decision was made. Doing the right thing can really fuck with you but doesn't take away from it being the right thing to do.
Pro euthenasia and pro quality of life.
........and know that I understand the difference between a "pet" and a child. I'm talking about love, coming to terms, and knowing when to let go - for their sake. Gotta take a backseat to ourselves sometimes.
Honestly I don't think it's that hard to figure out that one could side with protecting life.
So - parents choice to keep child alive against all odds & government/courts stepping in to keep someone alive (especially an adult) if there is any medical option. Now, if it were a child and the parents wanted to pull the plug and the medical backed it up, I'm not sure the government/court should have a say. With an adult, it's a little trickier unless spelled out in a will cause who gets to make the call? Spouse? Parents?
I hope these parents can find peace.
some want government to have zero impact in the decisions of daily life....unless of course it doesn't fit that particular agenda, in which case they won't talk about it.
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You spend days and days on here shitting on the government's role in day-to-day life, but the unregulated, unenforced, voluntary firefighting, vigilante justice is a bat-shit crazy notion that literally could not exist in the world. Your vision has gaping holes in it which you refuse to debate. If your vision could exist, I wouldn't leave my house - I'd just kill myself, knowing I had a matter of days anyways until someone with a gun bigger than mine declared my land their own.
But I have said all that I am going to on this subject. Have a good day.
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I'm not trying to agitate, but given your stance on these boards... I'd be curious to know where you stand there?
I gave my point, I have nothing else that I want to add.
if you don't want to answer because you know that it will be hypocritical to your stance in this thread, fine, but don't make it out like you're "work here is done".
-EV 8/14/93
So - parents choice to keep child alive against all odds & government/courts stepping in to keep someone alive (especially an adult) if there is any medical option. Now, if it were a child and the parents wanted to pull the plug and the medical backed it up, I'm not sure the government/court should have a say. With an adult, it's a little trickier unless spelled out in a will cause who gets to make the call? Spouse? Parents?
I hope these parents can find peace.
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
I hope Charlie's parents find the strength to deal with this.
-EV 8/14/93
EV
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When our kitty was failing at 17+ years, we had to do right by her. We'd have done the same were she younger when our decision was made. Doing the right thing can really fuck with you but doesn't take away from it being the right thing to do.
Pro euthenasia and pro quality of life.
........and know that I understand the difference between a "pet" and a child. I'm talking about love, coming to terms, and knowing when to let go - for their sake. Gotta take a backseat to ourselves sometimes.
Parents Of Terminally Ill British Baby Charlie , End Legal Fight
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even if they won their case, would they have really won? the kid is terminal.
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