What if?

unsung

Please, fix this irritating quote system.

tbergs

unsung said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

Ugh, poor form Kathy. I feel for Trump's kid if he saw that.

Supposedly he did, and was traumatized.  The left sure likes to harass this ten year old.

Hard to believe anything from the biggest liar and bully there is. It might work with his base, but no one else buys his sob story. He's earned his shitty reputation and nothing is going to change that. Not even a stupid act life Griffin's. What she did is pretty harmless compared with what he has done and continues to do. The fact that people who support him are outraged by this is the biggest hypocrisy.

Gern Blansten

yeah Trump talked about killing the families of terrorists, grabbing pussy, etc.  Give it a rest.

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

Please, fix this irritating quote system.

it's really easy. if you find the cursor "trapped" in the previous person's quote, then just backpage and do it again. 

jeffbr

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

Please, fix this irritating quote system.

it's really easy. if you find the cursor "trapped" in the previous person's quote, then just backpage and do it again. 

Yup. Or just click the </> formatting button to toggle HTML view and start typing after the '</blockquote>' tag.

cincybearcat

Kat said:

cincybearcat said:

Kat said:

Hopefully they would have received condemnation from everyone, no matter the political leanings. It was wrong and that's why she has apologized...more than certain presidents have done. I repeat myself here.

This is so wrong. It's awful. Trump's tweet is pretty awful as well if he mentions his son being upset just to get attention and his son has never seen it (that's my thoughts, so it certainly might not be true). Everyone should be losing their shit over this. I'm not into the the whole "fire that person" etc crap that many seem to jump on whenever someone makes a mistake. But in this case, I do think she should be more accountable then just say "sorry". It's a legit threat against a sitting president. If other people's comments matter and they should be accountable for the idiots that mimic them or take it to the next level (and they should)....then she certainly should be held accountable as well. No - the motivation does matter some...so in my opinion a picture of a hanging Obama is still worse than this.

In no way did I think an apology was enough. I knew it wouldn't end there and she'll be going through a lot because she made a very bad choice. One quote from the article by her made it obvious that she knew it was going to cause a huge uproar but she did it anyway. I think it's important to listen to our inner monologues and if you know it's going to upset people, why the hell do it? Something wrong there but at least she did apologize. That's an important thing in life too. Good to see you, Cincy.

Hey to you to Kat.

After thinking about it more, I wish we'd make this stuff more about the message then the person.  I don;t care if she gets fired, etc....I want people to all understand how awful it is.  And get rid of the stupid "it's art" argument.  That does not give you a license to do whatever you want.  So - I'm ok with her apology and wish it wouldn't impact her more as long as she is honest about her motivations for the apology.  1 stupid incident doesn't make a trend.  But I'm not ok with "art" that shows the murder of specific....still living people.

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

ledvedderman said:

Classic unsung; activates the bomb and then gets the hell out of town before it blows up. 

Kathy Griffin is disgusting. This was disgusting. No one on the credible left is applauding this. I've already wasted enough energy on this. 

The classic unsung that has to work to support this pathetic State.  After yesterday I have had enough.

Guess you weren't feeling nearly as full of faux outrage of having had enough when Sasha & Malia had to witness and experience all the vile hate directed at their father, a much more honorable and decent man than Trump will ever be. But being as it is that you fear elimination of the white race and repeatedly expose your racist biases, I'm not surprised. Poor you, working so hard to support this pathetic state. Join the club, you're not special.

PJ_Soul

unsung said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

Ugh, poor form Kathy. I feel for Trump's kid if he saw that.

Supposedly he did, and was traumatized.  The left sure likes to harass this ten year old.

According to Trump, lol. So that statement is meaningless, obviously. I kind of just assumed Trump made that up.
Nobody is harassing the ten year old.

rgambs

https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+effigy&client=ms-android-verizon&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjIteLvpp3UAhUM6CYKHTg4D28Q_AUICSgB&biw=360&bih=512&dpr=4

What do you have to say about this @unsung?

Gern Blansten

This was a 4th of July parade just a few miles up the road from me....happened a few years ago.  

Gern Blansten

I guess it was just last year....imagine that

PJ_Soul

Gern Blansten said:

This was a 4th of July parade just a few miles up the road from me....happened a few years ago.  

In an Independence Day parade?!? That is seriously fucked up. What the hell kind of July 4th parade allows political things like that in it??

OnWis97

The difference is...stay with me...those people are going after Obama's race.  Therefore, you have to be OK with it lest you be an overly-sensitive PC crybaby. The Kathy Griffin thing is just plain crude and wrong; being outraged by that is OK.  But everyone outraged by the Obama stuff is just playing the race card.

EDIT: No tone in this medium so please note the facetiousness.

PJ_Soul

OnWis97 said:

The difference is...stay with me...those people are going after Obama's race.  Therefore, you have to be OK with it lest you be an overly-sensitive PC crybaby. The Kathy Griffin thing is just plain crude and wrong; being outraged by that is OK.  But everyone outraged by the Obama stuff is just playing the race card.

I agree that the outwardly racist Obama stuff is a completely different animal than the Griffin photo shoot.

ledvedderman

@unsung are talking about the minimum wage bill that is on it's way to Rauner? I honestly haven't been following it because why would the governor sign it? It will go back to the GA for veto session but I don't know if it will have enough support to override. 

Kat

cincybearcat said:

Kat said:

cincybearcat said:

Kat said:

Hopefully they would have received condemnation from everyone, no matter the political leanings. It was wrong and that's why she has apologized...more than certain presidents have done. I repeat myself here.

This is so wrong. It's awful. Trump's tweet is pretty awful as well if he mentions his son being upset just to get attention and his son has never seen it (that's my thoughts, so it certainly might not be true). Everyone should be losing their shit over this. I'm not into the the whole "fire that person" etc crap that many seem to jump on whenever someone makes a mistake. But in this case, I do think she should be more accountable then just say "sorry". It's a legit threat against a sitting president. If other people's comments matter and they should be accountable for the idiots that mimic them or take it to the next level (and they should)....then she certainly should be held accountable as well. No - the motivation does matter some...so in my opinion a picture of a hanging Obama is still worse than this.

In no way did I think an apology was enough. I knew it wouldn't end there and she'll be going through a lot because she made a very bad choice. One quote from the article by her made it obvious that she knew it was going to cause a huge uproar but she did it anyway. I think it's important to listen to our inner monologues and if you know it's going to upset people, why the hell do it? Something wrong there but at least she did apologize. That's an important thing in life too. Good to see you, Cincy.

Hey to you to Kat.

After thinking about it more, I wish we'd make this stuff more about the message then the person.  I don;t care if she gets fired, etc....I want people to all understand how awful it is.  And get rid of the stupid "it's art" argument.  That does not give you a license to do whatever you want.  So - I'm ok with her apology and wish it wouldn't impact her more as long as she is honest about her motivations for the apology.  1 stupid incident doesn't make a trend.  But I'm not ok with "art" that shows the murder of specific....still living people.

I'm with you and free speech means she can do what she did and I can say she crossed a line and I found it awful, even say that it was moronic. We seem to be in a national political mode of tit for tat and I don't see where it's going to end. We've had leaders, the world has had leaders, who bring people together and I think that's extremely important but I don't see anyone on the horizon who can get that done.

unsung

ledvedderman said:

@unsung are talking about the minimum wage bill that is on it's way to Rauner? I honestly haven't been following it because why would the governor sign it? It will go back to the GA for veto session but I don't know if it will have enough support to override. 

That and the tax hike.

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

Kat said:

cincybearcat said:

Kat said:

Hopefully they would have received condemnation from everyone, no matter the political leanings. It was wrong and that's why she has apologized...more than certain presidents have done. I repeat myself here.

This is so wrong. It's awful. Trump's tweet is pretty awful as well if he mentions his son being upset just to get attention and his son has never seen it (that's my thoughts, so it certainly might not be true). Everyone should be losing their shit over this. I'm not into the the whole "fire that person" etc crap that many seem to jump on whenever someone makes a mistake. But in this case, I do think she should be more accountable then just say "sorry". It's a legit threat against a sitting president. If other people's comments matter and they should be accountable for the idiots that mimic them or take it to the next level (and they should)....then she certainly should be held accountable as well. No - the motivation does matter some...so in my opinion a picture of a hanging Obama is still worse than this.

In no way did I think an apology was enough. I knew it wouldn't end there and she'll be going through a lot because she made a very bad choice. One quote from the article by her made it obvious that she knew it was going to cause a huge uproar but she did it anyway. I think it's important to listen to our inner monologues and if you know it's going to upset people, why the hell do it? Something wrong there but at least she did apologize. That's an important thing in life too. Good to see you, Cincy.

Hey to you to Kat.

After thinking about it more, I wish we'd make this stuff more about the message then the person.  I don;t care if she gets fired, etc....I want people to all understand how awful it is.  And get rid of the stupid "it's art" argument.  That does not give you a license to do whatever you want.  So - I'm ok with her apology and wish it wouldn't impact her more as long as she is honest about her motivations for the apology.  1 stupid incident doesn't make a trend.  But I'm not ok with "art" that shows the murder of specific....still living people.

How can you get rid of the "it's art" argument? Just because you're disgusted, that doesn't mean that argument isn't valid, or that that argument works on everything that offends people. I get that you're not okay with it (I also think it's stupid at best, and that Griffin did it makes it even more distasteful just because it's here), but that is actually completely irrelevant at all in the context of the freedom of expression argument. The "it's art" argument is completely valid where you like it or not.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Kat said:

cincybearcat said:

Kat said:

Hopefully they would have received condemnation from everyone, no matter the political leanings. It was wrong and that's why she has apologized...more than certain presidents have done. I repeat myself here.

This is so wrong. It's awful. Trump's tweet is pretty awful as well if he mentions his son being upset just to get attention and his son has never seen it (that's my thoughts, so it certainly might not be true). Everyone should be losing their shit over this. I'm not into the the whole "fire that person" etc crap that many seem to jump on whenever someone makes a mistake. But in this case, I do think she should be more accountable then just say "sorry". It's a legit threat against a sitting president. If other people's comments matter and they should be accountable for the idiots that mimic them or take it to the next level (and they should)....then she certainly should be held accountable as well. No - the motivation does matter some...so in my opinion a picture of a hanging Obama is still worse than this.

In no way did I think an apology was enough. I knew it wouldn't end there and she'll be going through a lot because she made a very bad choice. One quote from the article by her made it obvious that she knew it was going to cause a huge uproar but she did it anyway. I think it's important to listen to our inner monologues and if you know it's going to upset people, why the hell do it? Something wrong there but at least she did apologize. That's an important thing in life too. Good to see you, Cincy.

Hey to you to Kat.

After thinking about it more, I wish we'd make this stuff more about the message then the person.  I don;t care if she gets fired, etc....I want people to all understand how awful it is.  And get rid of the stupid "it's art" argument.  That does not give you a license to do whatever you want.  So - I'm ok with her apology and wish it wouldn't impact her more as long as she is honest about her motivations for the apology.  1 stupid incident doesn't make a trend.  But I'm not ok with "art" that shows the murder of specific....still living people.

How can you get rid of the "it's art" argument? Just because you're disgusted, that doesn't mean that argument isn't valid, or that that argument works on everything that offends people. I get that you're not okay with it (I also think it's stupid at best, and that Griffin did it makes it even more distasteful just because it's here), but that is actually completely irrelevant at all in the context of the freedom of expression argument. The "it's art" argument is completely valid where you like it or not.

I just think calling everything art is kinda lazy, and a very easy way of explaining away someone's distasteful actions. I don't consider it art if it's inciting hatred. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Kat said:

cincybearcat said:

Kat said:

Hopefully they would have received condemnation from everyone, no matter the political leanings. It was wrong and that's why she has apologized...more than certain presidents have done. I repeat myself here.

This is so wrong. It's awful. Trump's tweet is pretty awful as well if he mentions his son being upset just to get attention and his son has never seen it (that's my thoughts, so it certainly might not be true). Everyone should be losing their shit over this. I'm not into the the whole "fire that person" etc crap that many seem to jump on whenever someone makes a mistake. But in this case, I do think she should be more accountable then just say "sorry". It's a legit threat against a sitting president. If other people's comments matter and they should be accountable for the idiots that mimic them or take it to the next level (and they should)....then she certainly should be held accountable as well. No - the motivation does matter some...so in my opinion a picture of a hanging Obama is still worse than this.

In no way did I think an apology was enough. I knew it wouldn't end there and she'll be going through a lot because she made a very bad choice. One quote from the article by her made it obvious that she knew it was going to cause a huge uproar but she did it anyway. I think it's important to listen to our inner monologues and if you know it's going to upset people, why the hell do it? Something wrong there but at least she did apologize. That's an important thing in life too. Good to see you, Cincy.

Hey to you to Kat.

After thinking about it more, I wish we'd make this stuff more about the message then the person.  I don;t care if she gets fired, etc....I want people to all understand how awful it is.  And get rid of the stupid "it's art" argument.  That does not give you a license to do whatever you want.  So - I'm ok with her apology and wish it wouldn't impact her more as long as she is honest about her motivations for the apology.  1 stupid incident doesn't make a trend.  But I'm not ok with "art" that shows the murder of specific....still living people.

How can you get rid of the "it's art" argument? Just because you're disgusted, that doesn't mean that argument isn't valid, or that that argument works on everything that offends people. I get that you're not okay with it (I also think it's stupid at best, and that Griffin did it makes it even more distasteful just because it's here), but that is actually completely irrelevant at all in the context of the freedom of expression argument. The "it's art" argument is completely valid where you like it or not.

I just think calling everything art is kinda lazy, and a very easy way of explaining away someone's distasteful actions. I don't consider it art if it's inciting hatred. 

Who's calling everything art? I'm calling Griffin's photo shoot in particular art, not everything. Also, I don't think what she did incites hate at all. That is a very specific thing and has legal connotations, and that photo wasn't it.