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rustneversleepsrustneversleeps Posts: 2,209
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/28/us/fareed-zakaria-liberals-cnntv/

Couldn't agree more with Fareed here.  Obnoxious radlibs who think they know everything.  Anti-intellectualism.  Sound familiar?  

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    Yeah, liberals don't tend to be tolerant of intolerance. Go figure!
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  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps Posts: 2,209
    PJ_Soul said:
    Yeah, liberals don't tend to be tolerant of intolerance. Go figure!
    thats what you get out of it?  Go figure!
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    rustneversleeps said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Yeah, liberals don't tend to be tolerant of intolerance. Go figure!
    thats what you get out of it?  Go figure!
    Yes, so much worse than what you got out of it, right? :lol:
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,140
    edited May 2017
    We have to keep hitting this point.  Keep making "liberal" a four-letter word.  Keep at it with libtard, beta, snowflake, et al.  The only way to create productive dialog is to continue to demonize liberals every chance we get.  
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    rustneversleeps said:
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/28/us/fareed-zakaria-liberals-cnntv/

    Couldn't agree more with Fareed here.  Obnoxious radlibs who think they know everything.  Anti-intellectualism.  Sound familiar?  

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    Hahaha, liberal anti-intellectualism.  Right. 
    I'll let you know when I stop believing in evolution, climate change, and geology LOL

    You know, I've never heard an intelligent person talk about know it alls and people who think they know everything.  I've only heard that from people who can't, or won't, think deeply about issues.  Intellectual people debate an issue, they don't call their counterpart a know it all and walk away.
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  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps Posts: 2,209
    edited May 2017
    Fareed's disgusted
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    rustneversleeps said:
    Fareed's disgusted
    #snowflake?
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    I don't disagree with Fareed here but at the same time, if Trump was giving a speech at my graduation I would probably leave or heckle him. That does not make me an anti-intellectualist*, Trump would have to be an intellectual to make that possible. That makes me someone who values my time...and my brain.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,085
    Usually Fareed is more thoughtful about things, but here he cites two examples of graduates responding to Pence and Devos. Both of them who stand in direct opposition to the goals of higher education. A protest in this context is appropriate. Should a school have a flat earther or someone promoting jim crow laws be put back in place speak at a graduation? 
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Go Beavers said:
    Usually Fareed is more thoughtful about things, but here he cites two examples of graduates responding to Pence and Devos. Both of them who stand in direct opposition to the goals of higher education. A protest in this context is appropriate. Should a school have a flat earther or someone promoting jim crow laws be put back in place speak at a graduation? 
    This too.
  • ponytdponytd Posts: 654
    He's 100% right. But it also works both ways. You could make the same argument against the far right. When people from the left speak, the right calls them libtards and snowflakes and don't want to listen to what they say.  there is a huge divide in our country based on politics. Both sides do it to each other all the time.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    edited May 2017
    Go Beavers said:
    Usually Fareed is more thoughtful about things, but here he cites two examples of graduates responding to Pence and Devos. Both of them who stand in direct opposition to the goals of higher education. A protest in this context is appropriate. Should a school have a flat earther or someone promoting jim crow laws be put back in place speak at a graduation? 
    I agree. The meaning behind such protests seem obvious to me, and they definitely aren't anti-intellectual or intolerant of conservatives in general, but, rather, in opposition to those particular people and what they stand for (or don't stand for) specifically. The same can be said for Trump and pretty much his entire cabinet. They seem to have a very justified reason to protest the way they did, and people against Trump and all his buddies are quite obviously justified in their opposition. It's a rather shallow editorial on Fareed's part. It's not like people are protesting, say, general fiscal conservatism or Republicans in general.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,085
    PJ_Soul said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Usually Fareed is more thoughtful about things, but here he cites two examples of graduates responding to Pence and Devos. Both of them who stand in direct opposition to the goals of higher education. A protest in this context is appropriate. Should a school have a flat earther or someone promoting jim crow laws be put back in place speak at a graduation? 
    I agree. The meaning behind such protests seem obvious to me, and they definitely aren't anti-intellectual or intolerant of conservatives in general, but, rather, in opposition to those particular people and what they stand for (or don't stand for) specifically. The same can be said for Trump and pretty much his entire cabinet. They seem to have a very justified reason to protest the way they did, and people against Trump and all his buddies are quite obviously justified in their opposition. It's a rather shallow editorial on Fareed's part. It's not like people are protesting, say, general fiscal conservatism.
    And if Devos, Pence and other ding dong fox news guests represent Conservatives, then they might want to take some time to reflect on where they're headed. 
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    People that used to support a non heliocentric universe were eventually "silenced" as well. It isn't some kind of conspiracy of unfair thing. It's just that people eventually realized that these people were wrong, ignorant, and guided by religion and feels instead of facts. The same thing is happening here. No one is setting out to silence conservatives in some form of censorship, it's because conservative ideas, ideals and voices are full of shiat and people are tired of indulging the whole equal time for both sides. When one side is continually wrong and on the wrong side of history, eventually they just kind of need to STFU. We need to move forward as a planet, indulging these idiots is not only not helping, it's dragging us backwards.

    Standing up and walking out on Pence isn't silencing conservative voices. It is the proper response to a person who advocates abhorrent policy and happens to be the goddamn VP. DeVos is partially culpable for the water crisis in Flint and should be shouted down every time she opens her pie hole of hate. These two are members of a disastrous administration and actually represent the power structure of the country. Protesting, walkouts and shouting are completely reasonable.

    Fareed says the left has a "low tolerance for disagreement" while at the same time noting that "the right refutes fact and reason." WTF? Are we supposed to just let the right wing do whatever they want without resistance? Should we let them say objectively false things - especially those in positions of power - without calling them out on their absolute nonsense?

    Clowns like milo and coulter are professional shiatbags. Simply refusing to allow your money to support their shiat isn't silencing conservative voices either. Protesting them is normal and healthy. Calling BS on the stupid shiat our right wing assholes say is normal and healthy and, even, necessary.

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    I do think it's an interesting topic.  When is a protest the best response and when is it simply silencing an opposing viewpoint?  I'm apparently not a good judge since I keep going back and forth on this one.  
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,529
    the article uses two bad examples forf the point he is trying to make.  yes there is some intolerance in liberals but in the two cases sighted both speakers were allowed to speak but were protested. nothing wrong that and is in fact something great about this country. the issues with liberals not being tolerable of other thoughts are those college campuses that have suppressed speakers who they disagree with from speaking at all.  that is wrong.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    Go Beavers said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Usually Fareed is more thoughtful about things, but here he cites two examples of graduates responding to Pence and Devos. Both of them who stand in direct opposition to the goals of higher education. A protest in this context is appropriate. Should a school have a flat earther or someone promoting jim crow laws be put back in place speak at a graduation? 
    I agree. The meaning behind such protests seem obvious to me, and they definitely aren't anti-intellectual or intolerant of conservatives in general, but, rather, in opposition to those particular people and what they stand for (or don't stand for) specifically. The same can be said for Trump and pretty much his entire cabinet. They seem to have a very justified reason to protest the way they did, and people against Trump and all his buddies are quite obviously justified in their opposition. It's a rather shallow editorial on Fareed's part. It's not like people are protesting, say, general fiscal conservatism.
    And if Devos, Pence and other ding dong fox news guests represent Conservatives, then they might want to take some time to reflect on where they're headed. 
    For sure. I'm actually surprised that the Republican party isn't rebelling more than it is... and at the same time, I'm not, lol. I know that most politicians stand up for their own careers long before they stand up for the people they represent. But still, I do hope that at some point the normals in the party stand up against Trump and his insane cabinet a lot more than they are. I'm sure there are plenty of Reps who know how insane everything is right now.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,023
    ponytd said:
    He's 100% right. But it also works both ways. You could make the same argument against the far right. When people from the left speak, the right calls them libtards and snowflakes and don't want to listen to what they say.  there is a huge divide in our country based on politics. Both sides do it to each other all the time.

    But only one side insists on not using facts as part of their argument. Politics has always been politics and always will be. What has changed is the complete denial of facts and an aversion to trying to understand them, particularly science based facts.
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  • ponytdponytd Posts: 654
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    ponytd said:
    He's 100% right. But it also works both ways. You could make the same argument against the far right. When people from the left speak, the right calls them libtards and snowflakes and don't want to listen to what they say.  there is a huge divide in our country based on politics. Both sides do it to each other all the time.

    But only one side insists on not using facts as part of their argument. Politics has always been politics and always will be. What has changed is the complete denial of facts and an aversion to trying to understand them, particularly science based facts.
    I'd say that's true, but not completely. Definitely hurts the argument when so many that are in power deny facts though. Like climate change. I know lots of people who consider themselves Republicans that believe in it and wonder why those in power deny it. Not all those on the right deny facts.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,023
    ponytd said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    ponytd said:
    He's 100% right. But it also works both ways. You could make the same argument against the far right. When people from the left speak, the right calls them libtards and snowflakes and don't want to listen to what they say.  there is a huge divide in our country based on politics. Both sides do it to each other all the time.

    But only one side insists on not using facts as part of their argument. Politics has always been politics and always will be. What has changed is the complete denial of facts and an aversion to trying to understand them, particularly science based facts.
    I'd say that's true, but not completely. Definitely hurts the argument when so many that are in power deny facts though. Like climate change. I know lots of people who consider themselves Republicans that believe in it and wonder why those in power deny it. Not all those on the right deny facts.
    One side won't even allow the gathering of facts to better understand complex issues so as to find better solutions. It's like a perpetual head in the sand approach for plausible deniability. And one side buys it and cheers it on.
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  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    I am not a fan of politicians of any party going to speak at college for things like commencement speeches or just speeches in general as I believe that runs counter to what I believe colleges should be.  colleges should be a place to debate not to be dictated to and I believe that is what speeches are. 

    I think people like Ann Coulter and Milo, Norm Chomsky, Ayaan Hirsi Ali should be invites to colleges but not for speeches but for debates.  Not inviting people who we disagree with is not solving anything, 

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    look at whose admin this is happening to. did people walk out when previous heads of state, republicans or otherwise, spoke at gatherings? not many, if any. at least not at all in the beginning. 

    this has less to do with liberals vs conservatives and more america vs trump. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    and how is this stfling the conversation? he's still talking. just not as many listening. everyone knows already what these particular people are going to say/have said. and people are free to protest that message by walking out. that's one of the tenets of our/your free society. how is anything wrong with that?
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  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps Posts: 2,209
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    look at whose admin this is happening to. did people walk out when previous heads of state, republicans or otherwise, spoke at gatherings? not many, if any. at least not at all in the beginning. 

    this has less to do with liberals vs conservatives and more america vs trump. 
    honestly, i dont know who i dislike more- the Donald or whiny liberals.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    rustneversleeps said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    look at whose admin this is happening to. did people walk out when previous heads of state, republicans or otherwise, spoke at gatherings? not many, if any. at least not at all in the beginning. 

    this has less to do with liberals vs conservatives and more america vs trump. 
    honestly, i dont know who i dislike more- the Donald or whiny liberals.  
    I think that's quite apparent. which is why I don't even know the purpose of this thread. nothing but bashing one whole group for the behaviour of the few, which is a perfect example of anti-itellectualism. 
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  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps Posts: 2,209
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    rustneversleeps said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    look at whose admin this is happening to. did people walk out when previous heads of state, republicans or otherwise, spoke at gatherings? not many, if any. at least not at all in the beginning. 

    this has less to do with liberals vs conservatives and more america vs trump. 
    honestly, i dont know who i dislike more- the Donald or whiny liberals.  
    I think that's quite apparent. which is why I don't even know the purpose of this thread. nothing but bashing one whole group for the behaviour of the few, which is a perfect example of anti-itellectualism. 
    enlighten me then.  tell me which i dislike more since you know everything again.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    rustneversleeps said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    rustneversleeps said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    look at whose admin this is happening to. did people walk out when previous heads of state, republicans or otherwise, spoke at gatherings? not many, if any. at least not at all in the beginning. 

    this has less to do with liberals vs conservatives and more america vs trump. 
    honestly, i dont know who i dislike more- the Donald or whiny liberals.  
    I think that's quite apparent. which is why I don't even know the purpose of this thread. nothing but bashing one whole group for the behaviour of the few, which is a perfect example of anti-itellectualism. 
    enlighten me then.  tell me which i dislike more since you know everything again.
    I can only go by what I see. from what I see, it's about 95% "whiny liberal" complaining as opposed to about 1% "donald's an idiot" complaining and 4% random words that have no context. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    whiny liberals got women the right to vote. 
    whiny liberals got equal rights for non-whites. 
    whiny liberals like everyone to have access to affordable healthcare. 
    whiny liberals don't like war and death. 
    whiny liberals like to help people of all colours, creeds, faiths, and orientations. 

    then call me a whiny fucking liberal all you want. I'll wear that badge anywhere. 
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  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    look at whose admin this is happening to. did people walk out when previous heads of state, republicans or otherwise, spoke at gatherings? not many, if any. at least not at all in the beginning. 

    this has less to do with liberals vs conservatives and more america vs trump. 
    I don't think this has just started 5 months ago to be honest.  I just goggle a story talking about this.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/list-of-disinvited-speakers-at-colleges-2016-7



  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps Posts: 2,209
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    rustneversleeps said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    rustneversleeps said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    look at whose admin this is happening to. did people walk out when previous heads of state, republicans or otherwise, spoke at gatherings? not many, if any. at least not at all in the beginning. 

    this has less to do with liberals vs conservatives and more america vs trump. 
    honestly, i dont know who i dislike more- the Donald or whiny liberals.  
    I think that's quite apparent. which is why I don't even know the purpose of this thread. nothing but bashing one whole group for the behaviour of the few, which is a perfect example of anti-itellectualism. 
    enlighten me then.  tell me which i dislike more since you know everything again.
    I can only go by what I see. from what I see, it's about 95% "whiny liberal" complaining as opposed to about 1% "donald's an idiot" complaining and 4% random words that have no context. 
    do you really think im going to spend my time talking about donald trump on the interweb over and over and over every day of my life?  that is annoying. hence the 95%.
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