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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,419
    No
    Since the gas shortages of the 70s and 80s, the US' involvement in the middle east has been about nothing but oil & money.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,247
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Since the gas shortages of the 70s and 80s, the US' involvement in the middle east has been about nothing but oil & money.
    Good point. Makes the first Iraq war even more significant when you consider that and the reasons we intervened.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,247
    You know, the real question right now is, doing you feel safer in AMT or on the Porch ;) 
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,211
    Same
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Since the gas shortages of the 70s and 80s, the US' involvement in the middle east has been about nothing but oil & money.
    true but they are kind of important to our country and to the global economy. as I asked before would you'd rather have Putin's hands on those oil fields?  how do you think that would work out for the rest of the world?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    Here's part of the problem:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/after-assurances-by-trump-bahrain-mounts-deadliest-raid-in-years-on-pro-opposition-shiite-neighborhood/2017/05/24/6995e954-4067-11e7-9851-b95c40075207_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-cards_mhp-card-world:homepage/card
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    No
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Since the gas shortages of the 70s and 80s, the US' involvement in the middle east has been about nothing but oil & money.
    To be fair that has been the only reason the west has had any interest in the middle east since oil was first discovered there in 1908... first with Britain and France calling the shots, then the US entering the party later... they wacked up the entire thing after WW1... literally redrawing borders, creating countries, and installing monarchs... them the Red Line Agreement where essentially western controlled oil companies sat down at a table and divided up and distributed control of the oil reserves amongst themselves
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    No
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Here's part of the problem:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/after-assurances-by-trump-bahrain-mounts-deadliest-raid-in-years-on-pro-opposition-shiite-neighborhood/2017/05/24/6995e954-4067-11e7-9851-b95c40075207_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-cards_mhp-card-world:homepage/card
    Speaking of western supported/controlled middle eastern monarchs...
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    my2hands said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Here's part of the problem:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/after-assurances-by-trump-bahrain-mounts-deadliest-raid-in-years-on-pro-opposition-shiite-neighborhood/2017/05/24/6995e954-4067-11e7-9851-b95c40075207_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-cards_mhp-card-world:homepage/card
    Speaking of western supported/controlled middle eastern monarchs...
    And yet the US promotes democracy except when it runs counter to our objectives. You don't think the voter suppression and disenfranchisement of late doesn't play in the ME?
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    No
    We love democracy when we get to choose who wins
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,123
    The 12 year war on terror Evil Losers made me feel safer.  Taking four years off, not such a great idea in hindsight.
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,828
    Feeling safer is not the same thing as being safer. People often fail to make this distinction.
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited May 2017
    No
    https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-09/war-on-terror-could-be-costliest-yet

    I wonder what we could have done with the $5 TRILLION dollars spent on The War on Terror since 9/11

    Probably not much right? lol
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,419
    No
    oftenreading said:
    Feeling safer is not the same thing as being safer. People often fail to make this distinction.
    No distinction needs to be made.  We're neither one.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,904
    Yes
    my2hands said:
    https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-09/war-on-terror-could-be-costliest-yet

    I wonder what we could have done with the $5 TRILLION dollars spent on The War on Terror since 9/11

    Probably not much right? lol
    Agreed that $5 trillion dollars is an insane amount of money.  But what did you want the u.s. to do in response to 9/11?  afghanistan and that's it?
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    fifefife Posts: 3,327
    to be honest, i hardly think about the war on terror as I don't really think about terrorism in general unless something happens in the world.

    maybe it because I Iive in Canada and we really haven't had a terrorist attack.  who know, i may feel different if for example I was in NY when 911 happen but I have a feeling I still would'nt really think about it. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    my2hands said:
    https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-09/war-on-terror-could-be-costliest-yet

    I wonder what we could have done with the $5 TRILLION dollars spent on The War on Terror since 9/11

    Probably not much right? lol
    tax breaks for the 1%.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,175
    this may be nitpicking, but i believe that the official name of the war is the "war on turr"...

    we are less safe today. sure some things have been thwarted, but going in to iraq was criminal, and we have killed nearly a million iraqis. not all of them were "bad guys." We have created more enemies if anything.
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    ryph raphryph raph Posts: 887
    Same

    War on terror is like the War on drugs here in merica. It can never be won.

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