Has the 16 year "War On Terror" made you feel safer?
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Needs to be an option: 'Less Safe' (as the world has become since the 'War on Terror').
"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Samesame. if you are honest the chances of being affected by a terrorist attack are still incredibly slim for most of the population.
"drilling for fear makes the job simple"0 -
pjhawks said:same. if you are honest the chances of being affected by a terrorist attack are still incredibly slim for most of the population.
"drilling for fear makes the job simple"
If no meddling had occurred... I'm pretty sure very few of these sensational events we have witnessed would ever have occurred."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
I think so.
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SameThere was never much reason not to feel safe to begin with.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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NoNeed a "hell no" button.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Thirty Bills Unpaid said:pjhawks said:same. if you are honest the chances of being affected by a terrorist attack are still incredibly slim for most of the population.
"drilling for fear makes the job simple"
If no meddling had occurred... I'm pretty sure very few of these sensational events we have witnessed would ever have occurred.0 -
Go Beavers said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:pjhawks said:same. if you are honest the chances of being affected by a terrorist attack are still incredibly slim for most of the population.
"drilling for fear makes the job simple"
If no meddling had occurred... I'm pretty sure very few of these sensational events we have witnessed would ever have occurred.
https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2015/257526.htm
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NoNo, but FWIW, I have never felt particularly unsafe. Fear isn't going to help anything.
The war on terror obviously just makes things progressively worse, if we're talking about radical Islamic terror (which I assume we are, since there isn't any war against any other terror as far as I can tell). It will never help. All that will help is a major cultural shift on this planet.... and it seems everyone is just moving backwards in that regard. My hopes are not high when it comes to this topic.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Notbergs said:Go Beavers said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:pjhawks said:same. if you are honest the chances of being affected by a terrorist attack are still incredibly slim for most of the population.
"drilling for fear makes the job simple"
If no meddling had occurred... I'm pretty sure very few of these sensational events we have witnessed would ever have occurred.
https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2015/257526.htm
This graph shows significant increased terror activity, especially since 2011. http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/features/GTD-Data-Rivers.aspx"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
tbergs said:Go Beavers said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:pjhawks said:same. if you are honest the chances of being affected by a terrorist attack are still incredibly slim for most of the population.
"drilling for fear makes the job simple"
If no meddling had occurred... I'm pretty sure very few of these sensational events we have witnessed would ever have occurred.
https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2015/257526.htm0 -
Go Beavers said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:pjhawks said:same. if you are honest the chances of being affected by a terrorist attack are still incredibly slim for most of the population.
"drilling for fear makes the job simple"
If no meddling had occurred... I'm pretty sure very few of these sensational events we have witnessed would ever have occurred.
But your question had me think more on the issue and research a bit:
Airport security
Border agencies
Increased Intel
Playbooks developed for chemical and biological attacks
Direct military intervention resulting in persons considered dangerous killed...
... and others have all contributed to my personal safety. So... on one hand... it could be said that since the 'War on Terror'... I feel safer, but these items have all been developed or enhanced with the premise that more attacks were imminent. 9-11 happened, but were a long series of coordinated attacks to follow?
In the event 9-11 was more or less a 'one off'... then the response to 9-11 has definitely resulted in a spike in global wide terror activity on an unparalleled pace in the modern era.
So, I feel I am to answer the poll... the ultimate question for me to assist me with my answer would be to know the answer to this: did the US response to 9-11 deter further mayhem or did it provoke more?
My 'feel' is it provoked more."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
YesI think america needed a wake up call and 9/11 was it. Air travel comes to mind; it was way too lax before sept 11. Beefed up security at bridges, tunnels, and "soft targets" as in port authority and times square.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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Nomcgruff10 said:I think america needed a wake up call and 9/11 was it. Air travel comes to mind; it was way too lax before sept 11. Beefed up security at bridges, tunnels, and "soft targets" as in port authority and times square.
but how about the actual War On Terror? i'm not talking about taking our shoes off at the airport brother0 -
my2hands said:mcgruff10 said:I think america needed a wake up call and 9/11 was it. Air travel comes to mind; it was way too lax before sept 11. Beefed up security at bridges, tunnels, and "soft targets" as in port authority and times square.
but how about the actual War On Terror? i'm not talking about taking our shoes off at the airport brother
Do you feel the US response to 9-11 thwarted future terrorist activity that was already in the making... or that it germinated future activity?
Could 9-11 have been a massive one time event with nothing more planed that people needed to worry about... or was it the champagne cork and the west resentment was about to unleash itself?"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
YesThirty Bills Unpaid said:my2hands said:mcgruff10 said:I think america needed a wake up call and 9/11 was it. Air travel comes to mind; it was way too lax before sept 11. Beefed up security at bridges, tunnels, and "soft targets" as in port authority and times square.
but how about the actual War On Terror? i'm not talking about taking our shoes off at the airport brother
Do you feel the US response to 9-11 thwarted future terrorist activity that was already in the making... or that it germinated future activity?
Could 9-11 have been a massive one time event with nothing more planed that people needed to worry about... or was it the champagne cork and the west resentment was about to unleash itself?
I was always for Afghanistan but against Iraq. Iraq was and is just one big fuck up. By eliminating Sadaam you completely destabilized the region.
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Yesmy2hands said:mcgruff10 said:I think america needed a wake up call and 9/11 was it. Air travel comes to mind; it was way too lax before sept 11. Beefed up security at bridges, tunnels, and "soft targets" as in port authority and times square.
but how about the actual War On Terror? i'm not talking about taking our shoes off at the airport brotherI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
mcgruff10 said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:my2hands said:mcgruff10 said:I think america needed a wake up call and 9/11 was it. Air travel comes to mind; it was way too lax before sept 11. Beefed up security at bridges, tunnels, and "soft targets" as in port authority and times square.
but how about the actual War On Terror? i'm not talking about taking our shoes off at the airport brother
Do you feel the US response to 9-11 thwarted future terrorist activity that was already in the making... or that it germinated future activity?
Could 9-11 have been a massive one time event with nothing more planed that people needed to worry about... or was it the champagne cork and the west resentment was about to unleash itself?
I was always for Afghanistan but against Iraq. Iraq was and is just one big fuck up. By eliminating Sadaam you completely destabilized the region.
Yes. I know the pitch that Afghanistan was the 'training ground' for the terrorists.
Ultimately... I saw Team Bush look to satisfy the US' need for vengeance, but preserve business interests with Saudi royalty. Invading Iraq made even less sense. The weapon system of mass destruction notion was a conscientious flat out lie.
We are experiencing the long term effects of such criminal activity right now."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
NoThirty Bills Unpaid said:my2hands said:mcgruff10 said:I think america needed a wake up call and 9/11 was it. Air travel comes to mind; it was way too lax before sept 11. Beefed up security at bridges, tunnels, and "soft targets" as in port authority and times square.
but how about the actual War On Terror? i'm not talking about taking our shoes off at the airport brother
Do you feel the US response to 9-11 thwarted future terrorist activity that was already in the making... or that it germinated future activity?
Could 9-11 have been a massive one time event with nothing more planed that people needed to worry about... or was it the champagne cork and the west resentment was about to unleash itself?
the official story tells me that Bin Laden & Al Queda were a small extremist group that had to hide and operate out of caves in literally the armpit of the planet, Afghanistan, because they were not welcome anywhere else. I think the literacy rate of Afganistan at the time was below 10%, it was and is still essentially below 3rd world status. They were rejected and isolatedI think it's obvious that the West's response to 9/11 only made the issue worse and legitimized the beliefs of what we call radicals today... the disgusting invasion of Iraq based on obvious lies... shock & awe... torture... Guantanamo... black sites... drone strikes... collateral damage... carnage & slaughter... we ended up being the exact monstrous oppressors that they believed us to be... and this has helped fuel events and resentment.... it may not be the only cause, but it sure feels like gasoline got thrown on a fire
we had a moment to turn the cheek, show a kinder gentler side of America through true global leadership, but instead we lit the whole motherfucker on fire
why are we surprised that all these 20-somethings that have grown up in The War on Terror are now willing to take the war to a western/european front?
did I mention that 15 of the Hijackers and the supposed mastermind were all Saudi's, and we just gave the Saudi's a $100 billion weapons deal so they can continue to bomb and starve the people of Yemen with our hardware... that's another thing, do we really think the people in these countries don't realize where all the fucking weapons are coming from that are leveling their homes and communities? The USA is the largest arms dealer on the planet, littering the planet with weapons...
make America great again my ass.... one day, maybe.... but we aren't even fucking close to greatness
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I think you're all focusing on the wrong war. What got us on the terrorist attack target list was our involvement in the first Iraq war. What the US did there and how we left that country is what started everything. 9/11 was the culmination of several smaller attacks against the US, both domestic and internationally, that began with the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993. We are no safer now than we were in 1993, but we probably feel safer because all of these policies, security checks and measures have been implemented; however, those are only in place based on methods of attack we are planning for or expect. The method of attack for 9/11 was unexpected and so will the next major attack.
I'm not sure how we end this cycle, but dropping random bombs in Afghanistan or firing a bunch of missiles at Syria isn't going to change how the US is viewed by terrorist cells. We put the target on our back every time we get involved, especially if we use force. Some of that is the cost of doing business the way we have chosen. Our military, intelligence agencies and government know this, but have obviously decided the residual casualty rate is acceptable to achieve success (whatever success truly means).Post edited by tbergs onIt's a hopeless situation...0
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