Is America the greatest country in the world?
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Fortunate Son.
The big disgrace is the fact that good people were simply disposable. Some people were not.
Crusty old white men sacrificing other people’s sons. F**king brutal."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
people still dying from unexploded bombs, effects of agent orange still rearing it's ugly head and countless dead in a war that should not have been fought.The world is better with Brian0
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Agreed.Smellyman said:people still dying from unexploded bombs, effects of agent orange still rearing it's ugly head and countless dead in a war that should not have been fought.The world is better with Brian
There were a lot of Brians on either side of the equation that we never got to know... or came back so changed they never came close to realizing their potential.
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I'm happy that Brian was spared. We're better for his presence. It's sad that there are others that no one will ever know.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Agreed.Smellyman said:people still dying from unexploded bombs, effects of agent orange still rearing it's ugly head and countless dead in a war that should not have been fought.The world is better with Brian
There were a lot of Brians on either side of the equation that we never got to know... or came back so changed they never came close to realizing their potential.0 -
Thanks guys. A lot of it was luck. Dumb luck.Some of that luck surely was as a result of some of the men and women who were just a bit older and more savvy than I was and helped bring that war to an earlier close than it might have without them. The first such person that comes to my mind is Bill Zimmermann. His book, Troublemaker, is an excellent account of the resistance to that war and a great read:
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I never cared much for 'Miracle'. Always found it cheesy. However, I've watched the documentary, 'Do You Believe in Miracles', probably 20 -30 times. It gives a much better insight into the political environment of the time as well as interviewing both Americans and Russians. While it still leans to the American view, it's entirely captivating.
On a side note: I was at the US-Soviet game at Madison Square Garden two weeks before the Olympics started where the Americans got their asses handed to them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-K-mm8Bqik
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Would the greatest country in the world be able to have a president bombing countries in secret without congressional approval?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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And to remind everyone, here's a repost:"One should call things by their proper name. What is happening right now in Vietnam is a form of torture. ---What they do is to torment people, torment a nation to humiliate it, to force it into submission to its orders. ---And therefore the bombings are an evil act. And of that we have many examples in modern history. And they are generally associated with a name/place: Guernica, Oradour, Babij Jar, Katyń, Lidice, Sharpeville, Treblinka. There where violence has triumphed. But the worlds judgment has fallen hard over those who were responsibility.Now a new name is added to the list: Hanoi, Christmas 1972."Swedish Primeminister Olof Palme's brief statement about the furious American bomb raid against Hanoi, Christmas in 1972, gave echoes all over the world. The text did not even take two minutes to read - but caused two years of diplomatic crisis. - We should be proud. He was the only European leader who dared to stand up and say what the whole world thought, says Anders Ferm, who wrote the first draft of the text.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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I don't like movies about real events generally. either to cheesy or schmaltzy. Documentaries are the way to go.eddiec said:I never cared much for 'Miracle'. Always found it cheesy. However, I've watched the documentary, 'Do You Believe in Miracles', probably 20 -30 times. It gives a much better insight into the political environment of the time as well as interviewing both Americans and Russians. While it still leans to the American view, it's entirely captivating.
On a side note: I was at the US-Soviet game at Madison Square Garden two weeks before the Olympics started where the Americans got their asses handed to them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-K-mm8Bqik
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Armageddon looms in World Chess Championship final
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46343036
An American is trying to win the world chess championship. It would be the US first title since Bobby Fisher in '72.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
They did a documentary about the guys and the event. I like that and I also really like the movie. Documentaries are my favorite also, for most anything.Smellyman said:
I don't like movies about real events generally. either to cheesy or schmaltzy. Documentaries are the way to go.eddiec said:I never cared much for 'Miracle'. Always found it cheesy. However, I've watched the documentary, 'Do You Believe in Miracles', probably 20 -30 times. It gives a much better insight into the political environment of the time as well as interviewing both Americans and Russians. While it still leans to the American view, it's entirely captivating.
On a side note: I was at the US-Soviet game at Madison Square Garden two weeks before the Olympics started where the Americans got their asses handed to them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-K-mm8Bqik
I grew up having nightmares about having nuclear bombs dropped on Manhattan (which I'm right next to) and it was just a moment in time that was, rightly or wrongly, extremely uplifting.
I don't even watch hockey and I watched that match with my parents. And I got the same happy feeling when I watched the movie. It was an America/USSR thing. I don't think you could truly appreciate the emotions unless you were living in one of the two countries. IMHO0 -
MACAMake America Crisp Again!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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Canada is your closest ally, we fully understood the significance of that victory, at that time in history...njnancy said:
They did a documentary about the guys and the event. I like that and I also really like the movie. Documentaries are my favorite also, for most anything.Smellyman said:
I don't like movies about real events generally. either to cheesy or schmaltzy. Documentaries are the way to go.eddiec said:I never cared much for 'Miracle'. Always found it cheesy. However, I've watched the documentary, 'Do You Believe in Miracles', probably 20 -30 times. It gives a much better insight into the political environment of the time as well as interviewing both Americans and Russians. While it still leans to the American view, it's entirely captivating.
On a side note: I was at the US-Soviet game at Madison Square Garden two weeks before the Olympics started where the Americans got their asses handed to them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-K-mm8Bqik
I grew up having nightmares about having nuclear bombs dropped on Manhattan (which I'm right next to) and it was just a moment in time that was, rightly or wrongly, extremely uplifting.
I don't even watch hockey and I watched that match with my parents. And I got the same happy feeling when I watched the movie. It was an America/USSR thing. I don't think you could truly appreciate the emotions unless you were living in one of the two countries. IMHOGive Peas A Chance…0 -
It was a classic (and maybe ultimate?) underdog story. Ofc you can appreciate it.
Saw a swedish documentary about the soviet team a bunch of years back. Interesting stuff."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
It was significant in exactly the same way the Kardashians are significant now.Meltdown99 said:
Maybe you and I are the only people that understand the significance of that hockey victory in that time of history...mcgruff10 said:
Oh hell yeah, kids love it. Fantastic movie.HughFreakingDillon said:
a hockey movie for cold war teachings?mcgruff10 said:
Amazing movie!! I show it to my classes when I teach the Cold War. Again! Again!Meltdown99 said:
I absolutely enjoyed our 3 Olympic Gold Medals in hockey in the last few Olympics. But that team the US sent lake placid. Just impressive. I have watched the movie at least a dozen times...mcgruff10 said:
I agree. Realize I was just poking fun at soul.Meltdown99 said:
That's weak. The most impressive hockey team the US has ever assembled (talent wise no, but they were a great team, they had guts, character and a fantastic coach that knew how to beat the Soviets) was the miracle on ice.mcgruff10 said:
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hats your opinion...rgambs said:
It was significant in exactly the same way the Kardashians are significant now.Meltdown99 said:
Maybe you and I are the only people that understand the significance of that hockey victory in that time of history...mcgruff10 said:
Oh hell yeah, kids love it. Fantastic movie.HughFreakingDillon said:
a hockey movie for cold war teachings?mcgruff10 said:
Amazing movie!! I show it to my classes when I teach the Cold War. Again! Again!Meltdown99 said:
I absolutely enjoyed our 3 Olympic Gold Medals in hockey in the last few Olympics. But that team the US sent lake placid. Just impressive. I have watched the movie at least a dozen times...mcgruff10 said:
I agree. Realize I was just poking fun at soul.Meltdown99 said:
That's weak. The most impressive hockey team the US has ever assembled (talent wise no, but they were a great team, they had guts, character and a fantastic coach that knew how to beat the Soviets) was the miracle on ice.mcgruff10 said:
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Socks to be youMeltdown99 said:
hats your opinion...rgambs said:
It was significant in exactly the same way the Kardashians are significant now.Meltdown99 said:
Maybe you and I are the only people that understand the significance of that hockey victory in that time of history...mcgruff10 said:
Oh hell yeah, kids love it. Fantastic movie.HughFreakingDillon said:
a hockey movie for cold war teachings?mcgruff10 said:
Amazing movie!! I show it to my classes when I teach the Cold War. Again! Again!Meltdown99 said:
I absolutely enjoyed our 3 Olympic Gold Medals in hockey in the last few Olympics. But that team the US sent lake placid. Just impressive. I have watched the movie at least a dozen times...mcgruff10 said:
I agree. Realize I was just poking fun at soul.Meltdown99 said:
That's weak. The most impressive hockey team the US has ever assembled (talent wise no, but they were a great team, they had guts, character and a fantastic coach that knew how to beat the Soviets) was the miracle on ice.mcgruff10 said:
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You are welcome to refute it with evidence that the hockey match had an actual impact on the world and the state of the cold war beyond people's warm fuzzy surface thoughts and feelings, but I've never seen any.Meltdown99 said:
hats your opinion...rgambs said:
It was significant in exactly the same way the Kardashians are significant now.Meltdown99 said:
Maybe you and I are the only people that understand the significance of that hockey victory in that time of history...mcgruff10 said:
Oh hell yeah, kids love it. Fantastic movie.HughFreakingDillon said:
a hockey movie for cold war teachings?mcgruff10 said:
Amazing movie!! I show it to my classes when I teach the Cold War. Again! Again!Meltdown99 said:
I absolutely enjoyed our 3 Olympic Gold Medals in hockey in the last few Olympics. But that team the US sent lake placid. Just impressive. I have watched the movie at least a dozen times...mcgruff10 said:
I agree. Realize I was just poking fun at soul.Meltdown99 said:
That's weak. The most impressive hockey team the US has ever assembled (talent wise no, but they were a great team, they had guts, character and a fantastic coach that knew how to beat the Soviets) was the miracle on ice.mcgruff10 said:
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CHECK. MATE. :l:lol:oftenreading said:
Socks to be youMeltdown99 said:
hats your opinion...rgambs said:
It was significant in exactly the same way the Kardashians are significant now.Meltdown99 said:
Maybe you and I are the only people that understand the significance of that hockey victory in that time of history...mcgruff10 said:
Oh hell yeah, kids love it. Fantastic movie.HughFreakingDillon said:
a hockey movie for cold war teachings?mcgruff10 said:
Amazing movie!! I show it to my classes when I teach the Cold War. Again! Again!Meltdown99 said:
I absolutely enjoyed our 3 Olympic Gold Medals in hockey in the last few Olympics. But that team the US sent lake placid. Just impressive. I have watched the movie at least a dozen times...mcgruff10 said:
I agree. Realize I was just poking fun at soul.Meltdown99 said:
That's weak. The most impressive hockey team the US has ever assembled (talent wise no, but they were a great team, they had guts, character and a fantastic coach that knew how to beat the Soviets) was the miracle on ice.mcgruff10 said:
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Have you heard of Google? Try it...I like I said your opinion I could care a less about. You are more than welcome to google and post articles to back-up your case...rgambs said:
You are welcome to refute it with evidence that the hockey match had an actual impact on the world and the state of the cold war beyond people's warm fuzzy surface thoughts and feelings, but I've never seen any.Meltdown99 said:
hats your opinion...rgambs said:
It was significant in exactly the same way the Kardashians are significant now.Meltdown99 said:
Maybe you and I are the only people that understand the significance of that hockey victory in that time of history...mcgruff10 said:
Oh hell yeah, kids love it. Fantastic movie.HughFreakingDillon said:
a hockey movie for cold war teachings?mcgruff10 said:
Amazing movie!! I show it to my classes when I teach the Cold War. Again! Again!Meltdown99 said:
I absolutely enjoyed our 3 Olympic Gold Medals in hockey in the last few Olympics. But that team the US sent lake placid. Just impressive. I have watched the movie at least a dozen times...mcgruff10 said:
I agree. Realize I was just poking fun at soul.Meltdown99 said:
That's weak. The most impressive hockey team the US has ever assembled (talent wise no, but they were a great team, they had guts, character and a fantastic coach that knew how to beat the Soviets) was the miracle on ice.mcgruff10 said:
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