Maybe your 9th grade students can teach you the point of using quotation marks. They are used to show what someone said or wrote. I never wrote it's not me, it's the booze.
As far as "I have 9th grade students that are better about taking responsibility for their actions than you are." That would not surprise me. Far to many people underestimate the young. I am also a firm believer in you can always learn things from others, even 9th graders. Nobody is perfect as you can tell by your error in quotation's. I did the best I could in taking responsibility for my actions. As far as someone being able to be better at it. I am not going to argue that fact.
i'm not quoting you directly, I am trying to encapsulate what you are trying to say in a concise manner. You are going on and on when what you are really saying is its not my fault i was drunk and trying to make people feel sorry for you. i don't feel sorry for you at all, those security guards should have kicked the living shit out of you.
Maybe your 9th grade students can teach you the point of using quotation marks. They are used to show what someone said or wrote. I never wrote it's not me, it's the booze.
As far as "I have 9th grade students that are better about taking responsibility for their actions than you are." That would not surprise me. Far to many people underestimate the young. I am also a firm believer in you can always learn things from others, even 9th graders. Nobody is perfect as you can tell by your error in quotation's. I did the best I could in taking responsibility for my actions. As far as someone being able to be better at it. I am not going to argue that fact.
that apostrophe doesn't need to be there... 'quotations' would have been fine.
you were drunk at a concert? if you were in Scotland that would have meant you were in the vast vast majority. I was at a Raconteurs gig recently in Scotland and there was a guy standing next to me who could barely stand up andhe was bugging everyone.. so i pushed him out of the way... GA is a blessing as it meant i just walked away from him... but he was annoying as fuck... something i posted on the White Stripes forum to say as much.
i dont care if people get pissed before a show.. just don't spoil it for others or me.. but i'll tell you if it is bothering me... as should everyone really.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
i'm not quoting you directly, I am trying to encapsulate what you are trying to say in a concise manner. You are going on and on when what you are really saying is its not my fault i was drunk and trying to make people feel sorry for you. i don't feel sorry for you at all, those security guards should have kicked the living shit out of you.
why should they have "kicked the living shit out of him" for singing? the people that were sitting next to him have said that he DID NOT say anything about beating up a woman.
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So besides being a 9th grade teacher you are also a mind reader. You are trying to encapsulate what I am trying to say and not what I actually said. I was as honest and sincere as I could be. I did not ask anyone to feel sorry for me. I apoligized seeking forgiveness. Decent people offer sypathy and try to help when they see someone hurting. Most of the people who have read the O.P. can see it is genuine and take it for what it is. They don't try to make it in to something it is not like you. You have a right to your own opinion. Different points of view on subjects are a good thing.
Just wondering. Do you preach solving problems with violence to your 9th grade students. Deliberate harming of another human being is always wrong. I hope your students can see through your hate and learn not to grow up like you.
If you read (glaseb01)s post. He is the one who was sitting right next to me. It says nothing of me threatening to beat up his girlfriend. If I was threatening to beat up his girlfriend don't you think he would have mentioned it. He does say I was threatening him. When security let me back in after he wanted me kicked out and we were arguing about him wanting me booted it did get heated. I don't blame him for feeling threatened. I don't want to get away from the purpose of the O.P. which was to apoligize and make amends. You can believe what you want. I know I am not going to change your mind. The fact still remains I was wrong. Drunk or not drunk I created a disturbance and tainted what should have been a good time.
So besides being a 9th grade teacher you are also a mind reader. You are trying to encapsulate what I am trying to say and not what I actually said. I was as honest and sincere as I could be. I did not ask anyone to feel sorry for me. I apoligized seeking forgiveness. Decent people offer sypathy and try to help when they see someone hurting. Most of the people who have read the O.P. can see it is genuine and take it for what it is. They don't try to make it in to something it is not like you. You have a right to your own opinion. Different points of view on subjects are a good thing.
Just wondering. Do you preach solving problems with violence to your 9th grade students. Deliberate harming of another human being is always wrong. I hope your students can see through your hate and learn not to grow up like you.
It seems as if the hunted is trying to become the hunter.
I'd say your projecting, but the truth of the matter is you got drunk and screwed up a lot of peoples evenings.
Just because you apologize, doesn't mean everybody can/has to/will accept it. If they want to stay mad at you, you'd best learn to accept it, but then again you don't have to do anything either.
Also, your apology begins to ring more hollow the more you get caught up in these discussions...
Of course I value your opinion. It's what makes you wrong and me right.
If you read (glaseb01)s post. He is the one who was sitting right next to me. It says nothing of me threatening to beat up his girlfriend. If I was threatening to beat up his girlfriend don't you think he would have mentioned it. He does say I was threatening him. When security let me back in after he wanted me kicked out and we were arguing about him wanting me booted it did get heated. I don't blame him for feeling threatened. I don't want to get away from the purpose of the O.P. which was to apoligize and make amends. You can believe what you want. I know I am not going to change your mind. The fact still remains I was wrong. Drunk or not drunk I created a disturbance and tainted what should have been a good time.
You seem to be focusing a lot on the "beating the girlfriend up" part of the discussion, to the exclusion of other issues that arose. Thats called deflection.
Of course I value your opinion. It's what makes you wrong and me right.
You guys may be right. I am done apoligizing and trying to pick apart the night in question. Nothing good can come of it anymore. I picked the charities I am going to donate to and I am prepared to take care of that by the end of the week. If people don't want to forgive me they do not have to.
As hard as that is to accept I don't have a choice. To those that do forgive me and those that do not "It will never happen again" Letting Go!
You guys may be right. I am done apoligizing and trying to pick apart the night in question. Nothing good can come of it anymore. I picked the charities I am going to donate to and I am prepared to take care of that by the end of the week. If people don't want to forgive me they do not have to.
As hard as that is to accept I don't have a choice. To those that do forgive me and those that do not "It will never happen again" Letting Go!
You did a right thing to apoligizie, but more important thing is that you learn you lesson and everybody else here for that matter (how likes to drink at the show).
Really drunk people should not be allowed to attend the concerts like that, end of story!!
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First of all I would like to say that pearl jam saved my life in 94'. I can honestly say I would not be here today if it was not for them. Pearl Jams music has been a huge part of my life for close to 15 yrs now. I have been to 7 concerts and 5 Ed solo shows and have never had a situation like this happen to me. I can not believe the hundreds of posts I have read making me out to be a monster. I was going to try and defend myself but I can see that it is futile now. I will admit I had alot to drink that night. I will admit I was singing loudly. These are some of my favorite songs. Seeing Eddie sing them live is very emotional for me. I remember being told by the people next to me not to sing and they complained to security. About 20 min later security said they wanted to talk to me. The people around me assumed I was being kicked out. I was brought up to the top and told that the people next to me were complaining about my singing and to go back to my seat and sit there quietly. When I returned to the seat the guy next to me could not believe they let me back in. We did argue about why he had to have me kicked out. I do understand how he must have felt. If I had someone who was drunk kicked out (as he thought) I would not want him coming back to sit next to me knowing full well I was the one who did it. After this I noticed security coming down to check on me I sat in my seat and did not say anything. I just slumped forward and tried not to bother anyone. Someone behind me went back to complain that I should not have been let back in. About 10 min later security came back again and said I had to leave. I told them I did what they told me to do and was trying not to bother anyone and that I was not singing. They said lets go. I said I was not leaving and they would have to carry me out. They did. When they got me to the top they stood me up and told me I had to leave. I asked them why they were kicking me out after I was trying not to bother anyone. They said the people around me could not stand my singing and they had too many complaints. I left. I do remember hitting the chair in front of me during far behind when Ed was jamming on the guitar. I was hitting on the top of the chair rocking out but by no means trying purposly upset the person in front of me. If she told me to stop and I just hit it harder like someone posted then I did not hear her. When she did tell me to stop I told her I was sorry and stopped. To the person who was next to me who pointed out on here that I started singing loudly as soon as the show started. Could that have been when Ed was playing Sometimes? I believe the whole place was singing loudly. I believe this all started in the beginning of the show with me singing. I tried to control it but had too much to drink and could not. Songs like Sometimes, Trouble, Setting Forth, Guaranteed, Elderly Women, Millworker and Gone were too much. When security let me back in I managed to sit through Hide Your Love Away and Porch quietly before they carried me out. I wish to God that they never let me back in. I know the people around me wish they had not also. There are alot of people posting alot of hurtful things on here some true some untrue and some that are purely ridiculous. There are people trying to get my adress so they can kick my ass, making fun of my weight and even posting my name. There are alot of bandwagon jumpers who were not anywhere near where this happened. I did argue with the people next to me about them trying to kick me out. I did point out I spent alot of money also. I would never try to purposly ruin any fellow fans time. I never tried to hit anyone around me. If someone around me got hit accidentally when I was being caried out then I am truly sorry. I am not a violent person. I am sorry to the people around me if you felt threatened. As I recal the argument was along the lines of why the f*** are you trying to get me kicked out and why can't you leave me the f*** alone and never I am going to kick your a** or your girlfriends a** as some people are posting. If people read through the posts they will see how the telephone game is alive and well. Someone who was there posts about me swearing at the people next to me turns into me trying to beat up someones girlfriend. To all the people around me and especially the people next me I would like to offer a heartfelt apoligy. This behavior was completely out of character for me. As some friends I met at the pre-party pointed out I am a nice guy. It makes me sick knowing I took away from what should have been a great experience for all of us. To try and make something positive out of this I would like to donate 100$ to a charity of your choice (Row E seats 3&4) I will say Alcholics Anonymous before everyone jumps on it. I am just trying to give my side of the story. I am not trying to make excuses. The fact of the matter is I was drunk and not acting rationally. My stupidity was fueled by being told what to do by my peers who were justified. I wonder if anyone else has ever had too much to drink and acted like an idiot. If they did then they know how I feel now. Again I am sorry to all at Milwaukee. P.S. I was 263lb this morning and I am 32
Where is the apology to Ed? Out of all the people there he should have been # 1. I am not saying that you don't feel bad for your behavior but not mentioning Ed makes it a waste of time. He was giving his heart up there. I know you were not the only one showing your ass but if you want to apologize I just say do it right and give it to the person who you went to see.
Boxorbag, there will always be people who you’ll never please and who'll always be in constant judgement of you…F em. The sanctimonious, self righteous ones in a crowd are boring.
You did what some perceive to be as wrong and you have tried to make amends. In my humble opinion, there is not much more you can do or need to.
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Some of these people are just trying to bait you.Don't take the bait.You said your peace and they will accept it or not.Leave it there.It was just a concert , one of many I'm sure you'll continue to go to.And maybe you've noticed yourself others not acting"normally". Don't sweat it. The important thing is that you DID try to make it right as best you could.Very nice to see someone taking responsibilty for their actions.Especially in this day and age where escape from personal responsibility seems to b the "norm" And no, my enter button doesn't work!
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Where is the apology to Ed? Out of all the people there he should have been # 1. I am not saying that you don't feel bad for your behavior but not mentioning Ed makes it a waste of time. He was giving his heart up there. I know you were not the only one showing your ass but if you want to apologize I just say do it right and give it to the person who you went to see.
Frequently i think of how hard it must be to be ed. To be worshipped and adored by many...only to have a few that act like fools and don't thoroughly bow down in your presence.
I remember, well no not really, a Grateful Dead show in Rochester, NY. I was soooooo excited and the bus ride from Hamilton Ontario to Rochester was just a wee bit too long. All I recall is 2 songs and my friend, who took care of me, ended up missing the show too. It was one of my biggest disappointments and embarrassments but I learned from it. I paid for my pals ticket to the next Dead show and I have never been as wasted at a show since!!!
All you can do is make your amends, learn from it and carry on!! Maybe we'll see you on tour :-)
[ i don't feel sorry for you at all, those security guards should have kicked the living shit out of you.[/quote]
Wow nice attitude for a 9th grade teacher- you really would like security guards to beat people up? Where is that coming from?
PJ fans get drunk- seen it done it many times. They are wild - point of reference-Gen admission Atlantic City- fueled by hard rock Eddie- scary place to be for sure. Push me Pull me knock me to the floor!
It was very hard for people to tone it down for these solo shows. Some could some couldn't but we are all fans I think it was very brave to come here and explain and apologize. I think you have a bigger heart than many and your intentions are good. And having won the "Lampshade Award" myself many times- I truly understand how you feel.
You don't owe anyone an apology. All you did was go to a concert and try to have a good time. All the people on this silly board did was get you kicked out. Then they came here and insulted you. You owe these people nothing. And i certainly wouldn't be donating any money to anyone in the name of these people.
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Exactly. I can´t believe someone would call on a security guard when you came back and just wanted to keep it low-key.
Some people must have a bad taste in their mouth...
yeah, you probably got a bit too much into it, but having a little too much to drink really isn´t exactly the worst thing I ever heard of.
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All I saw was you getting pulled out of there. I can only visualize Eddie's reaction and he seemed relieved that you were gone, or security actually did something at one of his shows. Not sure. I had a good time, unfortunately it was a combination of a lot of people that made Porch be short, and a few songs not played and a quick Exit. Vedder was in his bus within seconds after Hard Sun was done. I try to tune out the obnoxious. I do feel for the people who sat around you though. These solo shows are special and some people don't see it that way. I just hope next time if your membership isn't gone that you learn from this experience. So many people could not get into these shows, people that are there for the music not the circus. You need to understand that Milwaukee was supposed to be the dark horse of the tour and you with the help of others made it the worst. I am so happy that I attended Chicago 1 with my wife. It was peacefull and I will never forget it. Good luck with your life and I hope you make a change. (Speaking of Change, Vote for change tour anyone??)
You seem like a good person. I will buy you a beer at the next PJ show!
No, no! Don't buy him a beer! Hot pretzel, maybe, but no beer .
If I had known then what I know now...
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Rock Express with Vic....and I am sure I pissed off just about as many people as boxorbag did. It just wasn't an acoustic show in a quaint venue :-)
ha ha rock express, indeed!
i kinda remember buckeye 1993...though i certainly DO remember being told to cool it cause apparently i had just stepped on a guy's broken foot...though i suppose if i was a 400lb idiot then it might have been way worse
shit happens eh!
ah, but i was so much older then
i'm younger than that now
anyhoo...thats enough diversion from the topic at hand. rawk on bword!
i kinda remember buckeye 1993...though i certainly DO remember being told to cool it cause apparently i had just stepped on a guy's broken foot...though i suppose if i was a 400lb idiot then it might have been way worse
shit happens eh!
ah, but i was so much older then
i'm younger than that now
anyhoo...thats enough diversion from the topic at hand. rawk on bword!
So there you go, boxorbag, you're not alone!!!
You are surrounded by a bunch of fun loving idiots :-)
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i'm not quoting you directly, I am trying to encapsulate what you are trying to say in a concise manner. You are going on and on when what you are really saying is its not my fault i was drunk and trying to make people feel sorry for you. i don't feel sorry for you at all, those security guards should have kicked the living shit out of you.
that apostrophe doesn't need to be there... 'quotations' would have been fine.
you were drunk at a concert? if you were in Scotland that would have meant you were in the vast vast majority. I was at a Raconteurs gig recently in Scotland and there was a guy standing next to me who could barely stand up andhe was bugging everyone.. so i pushed him out of the way... GA is a blessing as it meant i just walked away from him... but he was annoying as fuck... something i posted on the White Stripes forum to say as much.
i dont care if people get pissed before a show.. just don't spoil it for others or me.. but i'll tell you if it is bothering me... as should everyone really.
why should they have "kicked the living shit out of him" for singing? the people that were sitting next to him have said that he DID NOT say anything about beating up a woman.
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to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
Just wondering. Do you preach solving problems with violence to your 9th grade students. Deliberate harming of another human being is always wrong. I hope your students can see through your hate and learn not to grow up like you.
It seems as if the hunted is trying to become the hunter.
I'd say your projecting, but the truth of the matter is you got drunk and screwed up a lot of peoples evenings.
Just because you apologize, doesn't mean everybody can/has to/will accept it. If they want to stay mad at you, you'd best learn to accept it, but then again you don't have to do anything either.
Also, your apology begins to ring more hollow the more you get caught up in these discussions...
You seem to be focusing a lot on the "beating the girlfriend up" part of the discussion, to the exclusion of other issues that arose. Thats called deflection.
As hard as that is to accept I don't have a choice. To those that do forgive me and those that do not "It will never happen again" Letting Go!
You did a right thing to apoligizie, but more important thing is that you learn you lesson and everybody else here for that matter (how likes to drink at the show).
Really drunk people should not be allowed to attend the concerts like that, end of story!!
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You did what some perceive to be as wrong and you have tried to make amends. In my humble opinion, there is not much more you can do or need to.
In the wise words of Uncle Neil, “Some get stoned, some get strange. But sooner or later it all gets real. Walk on, walk on.”
Some of these people are just trying to bait you.Don't take the bait.You said your peace and they will accept it or not.Leave it there.It was just a concert , one of many I'm sure you'll continue to go to.And maybe you've noticed yourself others not acting"normally". Don't sweat it. The important thing is that you DID try to make it right as best you could.Very nice to see someone taking responsibilty for their actions.Especially in this day and age where escape from personal responsibility seems to b the "norm" And no, my enter button doesn't work!
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Frequently i think of how hard it must be to be ed. To be worshipped and adored by many...only to have a few that act like fools and don't thoroughly bow down in your presence.
I love Ed...
And in times like these I feel for Ed.
Good to know I'm not alone...
It takes a certain something to own up to being "that guy".
Kudos.
I actually laughed out loud at this
Wish there would be a concert in Glasgow though......
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Wow nice attitude for a 9th grade teacher- you really would like security guards to beat people up? Where is that coming from?
PJ fans get drunk- seen it done it many times. They are wild - point of reference-Gen admission Atlantic City- fueled by hard rock Eddie- scary place to be for sure. Push me Pull me knock me to the floor!
It was very hard for people to tone it down for these solo shows. Some could some couldn't but we are all fans I think it was very brave to come here and explain and apologize. I think you have a bigger heart than many and your intentions are good. And having won the "Lampshade Award" myself many times- I truly understand how you feel.
That took some major grapes to come on here and admitt to being "That Guy in Milwaukee".
400lbs or not...you're a big man for doing so.
Now...
Believe me. I've done some utterly stupid and shameful shit while under the influence of the demon alcohol. So it goes.
We've all had our moments...believe me...I've had mine.
And Milwaukee was your moment my friend.
You admitted to your mistake and apologized...Good for you...but don't expect people to accept it; they don't have to.
They had the unfortunate luck of sitting near you that night and you runied their show.
But...You know what you did....It's your shit and sometimes your left to roll in it.
It's better just to:
Get over it
Move on
And....LEARN
See you out there.
Exactly. I can´t believe someone would call on a security guard when you came back and just wanted to keep it low-key.
Some people must have a bad taste in their mouth...
yeah, you probably got a bit too much into it, but having a little too much to drink really isn´t exactly the worst thing I ever heard of.
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Yup, that would be the show. Was a good one, wasn't it? All I remember clearly is Ramble On Rose.....
Is 20 years to late to apologize?? So sorry if you were a victim of my drunken, stoned antics.....I was the one in the tie dye :-)
games away tours from hamilton/toronto? i took a few of those bus trips myself....detroit 4/1/88, among some others...
heck i bet your weren't the only tie dyed hippie way waawy outta control that night.
shit happens...
making music together
in a world time forgot
"I need honesty, I need truth, and I need hope...I need it! That's what music means to me." EV
Rock Express with Vic....and I am sure I pissed off just about as many people as boxorbag did. It just wasn't an acoustic show in a quaint venue :-)
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ha ha rock express, indeed!
i kinda remember buckeye 1993...though i certainly DO remember being told to cool it cause apparently i had just stepped on a guy's broken foot...though i suppose if i was a 400lb idiot then it might have been way worse
shit happens eh!
ah, but i was so much older then
i'm younger than that now
anyhoo...thats enough diversion from the topic at hand. rawk on bword!
So there you go, boxorbag, you're not alone!!!
You are surrounded by a bunch of fun loving idiots :-)