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    PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited May 2017
    Honest question.

    Can anyone give an answer other than "the Russians" as to why President Trump won if all signs indicated he was losing?
    I'm done with this popular vote and ec stuff. 
    America claims to be the land of the free but are they?  They held an election with a clear amount of people voting for someone other than their current President.
    Something is off.

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,645
    my2hands said:
    Awesome album... and yes,  they surely must pass. 
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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,939
    Honest question.

    Can anyone give an answer other than "the Russians" as to why President Trump won if all signs indicated he was losing?
    I'm done with this popular vote and ec stuff. 
    America claims to be the land of the free but are they?  They held an election with a clear amount of people voting for someone other than their current President.
    Something is off.


    I can think of a few, I'm surprised you can't too. People ashamed to admit to favouring Trump in a survey and thus lying, polls being run with unbalanced samplings, and last-minute happenings which could sway public opinion such as Comey's announcement about Clinton.  

    Are you asking about the validity of the EC in a democracy, after months of repeating verbatim that Trump won, get over it?

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,641
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,641
    Honest question.

    Can anyone give an answer other than "the Russians" as to why President Trump won if all signs indicated he was losing?
    I'm done with this popular vote and ec stuff. 
    America claims to be the land of the free but are they?  They held an election with a clear amount of people voting for someone other than their current President.
    Something is off.

    Here you go:

    http://billmoyers.com/story/electoral-college-explained/

    To answer your question, it's been explained by others on here but it's also known strategy to have your campaign folks at the local level to encourage your candidates supporters to give misleading answers to pollsters and exit pollsters in an effort to instill a false sense of confidence in the opposition, thus suppressing the opposition's voter turnout. This is particularly true in the days leading up to the election. Now study up, you'll be quizzed.
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    edited May 2017
    Yo. I hate to even bring it up but

    12 . Bu$hleaguer

    holy shit
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    HOW much shizzy did he JUST sell to the SaudIs?   After complaining about Muslims the entire time.

    Even when he REVERSES his positions HES STILL WRONG
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    PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited May 2017
    Honest question.

    Can anyone give an answer other than "the Russians" as to why President Trump won if all signs indicated he was losing?
    I'm done with this popular vote and ec stuff. 
    America claims to be the land of the free but are they?  They held an election with a clear amount of people voting for someone other than their current President.
    Something is off.

    Here you go:

    http://billmoyers.com/story/electoral-college-explained/

    To answer your question, it's been explained by others on here but it's also known strategy to have your campaign folks at the local level to encourage your candidates supporters to give misleading answers to pollsters and exit pollsters in an effort to instill a false sense of confidence in the opposition, thus suppressing the opposition's voter turnout. This is particularly true in the days leading up to the election. Now study up, you'll be quizzed.

    Thank you. I will read and study it.

    It will take awhile to grasp that your country has others who decide a President other than citizen voters.
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    PJfan knows what I'm tallkin bout...
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    ;)
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    Tiki said:
    PJfan knows what I'm tallkin bout...

    I have no recollection of the subject in question. :smile:
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,641
    I take the 5th.
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    I plead the Fif
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,308
    OnWis97 said:
    So 48%.  Break that out by electoral college and we have eight years.
    haha....no
     https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,641
    my2hands said:
    I plead the Fif
    Fity? Is dat you?
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Another missed opportunity tonight.
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    BS44325 said:
    Another missed opportunity tonight.
    No. Have you ever been to Montana?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,641
    BS44325 said:
    Another missed opportunity tonight.
    I was hoping for the brilliant wax poetic of how Trump rules into 2024 and Dems stand no chance. Root canal or too much sand?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,641
    Or maybe you've @BS been busy lobbying your elected officials to pony up your NATO contribution, seeing how Canada pays the least % of GDP of NATO members? Get out of my way!
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    $110 billion in arms to Saudi Arabia.  The cradle of Islam.

    I'm not judging Muslims or Islam, everybody got a right to do and believe what they want.  
    I'm judging this President and his thousands of :"on record" statements of what he believes at the moment directly against his actions.
    He's a lying, corrupt sack o shit.   That by itself  may not be "illegal", but it sure shouldn't be accepted as normal. Even by his approvers/supporters/enablers (who I, unoffiically, figure to be about 31%) that behavior should be seen as patently un-American.
    Even his wife cant contain her utter contempt for his fat ass.  

    Welcome home Donnie.

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    MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,612
    Tiki said:
    No idea if it accurate... but regardless, it is very strange to spike the football like that at 48%.  
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    Some in the crowd laughed at the mention of the incident. “I made a mistake,” said Gianforte.

    “Not in our minds!” yelled a supporter.

    Nice atmosphere...like an elementary school recess where the bullies run this shit.  
    News flash...If you're down with this, then you're an idiot.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:
    Another missed opportunity tonight.
    If you had any integrity remaining you would be embarrassed at the morally bankrupt cesspool conservatives are swimming in. 
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Tiki said:
    Trump wasn't played... the American/Western public is the one that continues to get played on this issue... we've been in bed with The Saudi's way before Trump was grabbing vagina's... my favorite moment is my boy W walking and holding The Kings hand, it was so romantic!

    Terrorism is great for business... we are talking about a perpetual "War on Terror" here... so I hate to say it, but i will, not everybody in the west thinks Terrorism is a bad thing
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,246
    my2hands said:
    Tiki said:
    Trump wasn't played... the American/Western public is the one that continues to get played on this issue... we've been in bed with The Saudi's way before Trump was grabbing vagina's... my favorite moment is my boy W walking and holding The Kings hand, it was so romantic!

    Terrorism is great for business... we are talking about a perpetual "War on Terror" here... so I hate to say it, but i will, not everybody in the west thinks Terrorism is a bad thing
    Truly, how could we justify billions in defense spending if there wasn't a war against something. Just like the NRA and gun manufacturers need the threat of active shooter situations and home invasions to increase the fear that you should be packing if you want to be able to stop the threat.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    Tiki said:
    Did you notice he has to do a deep knee bend to accept the gold medal?

    If he bent over to receive it like a normal human being would, the flopper would flop over and everybody would laugh.
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    Tiki said:
    Some in the crowd laughed at the mention of the incident. “I made a mistake,” said Gianforte.

    “Not in our minds!” yelled a supporter.

    Nice atmosphere...like an elementary school recess where the bullies run this shit.  
    News flash...If you're down with this, then you're an idiot.
    Censure and immediate expulsion from the House is the only statesmanlike response acceptable to this.
    Have another "Special" election, that ONE seat that Montana has isn't going to be missed...(sorry Jeff)
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,829
    Gianforte's on to something.  If he takes a swing at a Democratic congressperson?  Re-elected for sure.  Take a swing at Pelosi?  Elected president in 2024.
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