Donald Trump

RoleModelsinBlood31

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so I follow this guy on Twitter, his name is Kyle Griffin. He reports on all stuff Trump. very insightful, all factual, and one of the most recent he posted about was the fact that Trump was speaking to a crowd about how he is going to get rid of the estate tax, AKA the "death tax", which he claims is crippling. This tax only applies to estates worth $5.9 million or something. 

He was speaking to a crowd of truckers, whose average yearly salary hovers around $40K. 

he is so stupid and out of touch it is astounding. 

Hear me out- it was probably dumb because that’s the wrong audience for that discussion certainly, but I think getting rid of the estate tax is a great thing.  Why should the children of a deceased person be taxed on their inheritance? Their parents earned it and already paid taxes (most likely anyway) on their estate over the years but the govt wants to tax the bereaved kids when the money comes their way? Screw that, give the kids what’s theirs.

Because it's just another piece of the progressive tax system that we've had in this country for many generations.  There's no fundamental argument for or against the estate tax that isn't intrinsically linked to one's belief in progressive taxation.  I generally support it because I support capitalism and I believe that there is a basic standard of living that any American should be entitled to.  In order to achieve both of these beliefs, you must have progressive taxation.

Excellent point-  I definitely agree with progressive tax, a flat tax is a killer.  Still don’t like the estate tax though, I know many won’t agree with me but I think the rich are taxed appropriately and their heirs shouldn’t be hit for inheriting.  Thanks though, good discussion.

Go Beavers

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so I follow this guy on Twitter, his name is Kyle Griffin. He reports on all stuff Trump. very insightful, all factual, and one of the most recent he posted about was the fact that Trump was speaking to a crowd about how he is going to get rid of the estate tax, AKA the "death tax", which he claims is crippling. This tax only applies to estates worth $5.9 million or something. 

He was speaking to a crowd of truckers, whose average yearly salary hovers around $40K. 

he is so stupid and out of touch it is astounding. 

Hear me out- it was probably dumb because that’s the wrong audience for that discussion certainly, but I think getting rid of the estate tax is a great thing.  Why should the children of a deceased person be taxed on their inheritance? Their parents earned it and already paid taxes (most likely anyway) on their estate over the years but the govt wants to tax the bereaved kids when the money comes their way? Screw that, give the kids what’s theirs.

I agree with that. My comment was only about who his audience was. This is obviously just lowering taxes on the rich. He claims he is for the common man. His "common men" are idiots. 

Agree.  Let’s remember though that government for the people is a joke and has been since being a politician became a career.  Never before or after now have the common people been represented by one of their own.  If voters believe they are and have believed the promises they’re told, they’ve already been gamed by the system.  Just saying it because whether you agree or disagree with a particular politician’s platform is irrelevant, they’re only there for themselves in the end.

You get the cynical post of the week award. How do you figure who fits into the common people category? That means there are uncommon people, too.  What would be evidence to you that a politician isn't just there for themselves? 

RoleModelsinBlood31

Go Beavers said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so I follow this guy on Twitter, his name is Kyle Griffin. He reports on all stuff Trump. very insightful, all factual, and one of the most recent he posted about was the fact that Trump was speaking to a crowd about how he is going to get rid of the estate tax, AKA the "death tax", which he claims is crippling. This tax only applies to estates worth $5.9 million or something. 

He was speaking to a crowd of truckers, whose average yearly salary hovers around $40K. 

he is so stupid and out of touch it is astounding. 

Hear me out- it was probably dumb because that’s the wrong audience for that discussion certainly, but I think getting rid of the estate tax is a great thing.  Why should the children of a deceased person be taxed on their inheritance? Their parents earned it and already paid taxes (most likely anyway) on their estate over the years but the govt wants to tax the bereaved kids when the money comes their way? Screw that, give the kids what’s theirs.

I agree with that. My comment was only about who his audience was. This is obviously just lowering taxes on the rich. He claims he is for the common man. His "common men" are idiots. 

Agree.  Let’s remember though that government for the people is a joke and has been since being a politician became a career.  Never before or after now have the common people been represented by one of their own.  If voters believe they are and have believed the promises they’re told, they’ve already been gamed by the system.  Just saying it because whether you agree or disagree with a particular politician’s platform is irrelevant, they’re only there for themselves in the end.

You get the cynical post of the week award. How do you figure who fits into the common people category? That means there are uncommon people, too.  What would be evidence to you that a politician isn't just there for themselves? 

Lol thanks! Well since the founders wanted the elected to be ordinary people, not career politicians, I’ll believe it when someone who isn’t wealthy or is of the middle class gets into office.... which will be never based on the cost of campaigning!

mrussel1

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so I follow this guy on Twitter, his name is Kyle Griffin. He reports on all stuff Trump. very insightful, all factual, and one of the most recent he posted about was the fact that Trump was speaking to a crowd about how he is going to get rid of the estate tax, AKA the "death tax", which he claims is crippling. This tax only applies to estates worth $5.9 million or something. 

He was speaking to a crowd of truckers, whose average yearly salary hovers around $40K. 

he is so stupid and out of touch it is astounding. 

Hear me out- it was probably dumb because that’s the wrong audience for that discussion certainly, but I think getting rid of the estate tax is a great thing.  Why should the children of a deceased person be taxed on their inheritance? Their parents earned it and already paid taxes (most likely anyway) on their estate over the years but the govt wants to tax the bereaved kids when the money comes their way? Screw that, give the kids what’s theirs.

Because it's just another piece of the progressive tax system that we've had in this country for many generations.  There's no fundamental argument for or against the estate tax that isn't intrinsically linked to one's belief in progressive taxation.  I generally support it because I support capitalism and I believe that there is a basic standard of living that any American should be entitled to.  In order to achieve both of these beliefs, you must have progressive taxation.

Excellent point-  I definitely agree with progressive tax, a flat tax is a killer.  Still don’t like the estate tax though, I know many won’t agree with me but I think the rich are taxed appropriately and their heirs shouldn’t be hit for inheriting.  Thanks though, good discussion.

The rich are taxed higher if they are earning through salary/income.  But unfortunately because of the capital gains tax rate along with all the various shelters, inherited or family money is taxed nowhere near the same rate that a middle or upper middle class family is being taxed.  The LT cap gains rate is no higher than 20%, I believe.  A good number of people that fall into the estate tax are cap gains payers, not salary.  This is a tool so that family money that is passed from gen to gen are paying an equitable tax.  

Halifax2TheMax

Extrajudicial killings of citizens of our closest ally without due process and nary a peep from JC. Wonder why that is?

http://diffuser.fm/sally-jones-isis-dead/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=newsletter_5003207

Halifax2TheMax

Another brilliant display of brilliancy in an otherwise brilliant week of accomplishments:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/10/12/trump-warns-puerto-rico-we-cannot-keep-fema-the-military-the-first-responders-forever/?undefined=&utm_term=.2f1be49ad702&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trump-to-sign-executive-order-to-gut-aca-insurance-rules-and-undermine-marketplaces/2017/10/11/40abf774-ae97-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html?undefined=&utm_term=.f870345c22e3&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/12/u-s-withdraws-from-unesco-the-u-n-s-cultural-organization-citing-anti-israel-bias/?undefined=&utm_term=.a8e0c6eb82de&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-escalates-threats-against-press-calls-news-coverage-frankly-disgusting/2017/10/11/32996dba-ae9c-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html?utm_term=.8f1052eec9bc&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trudeau-fights-to-save-nafta-deal-but-trump-offers-little-hope/2017/10/11/1eadf4aa-aeb1-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.18d680463edc&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Such a compassionate, humble, brilliant leader. America must be proud?

Go Beavers

So much pride. Shameless trump supporters often chime in on the PJ facebook page. Check it out for a greater understanding of how they think. Specifically the thread where Ed is throwing paper towels to Cub fans.  

Halifax2TheMax

Go Beavers said:

So much pride. Shameless trump supporters often chime in on the PJ facebook page. Check it out for a greater understanding of how they think. Specifically the thread where Ed is throwing paper towels to Cub fans.  

But they were soft towels. And beautiful. And people were having a lot of fun.

Go Beavers

Halifax2TheMax said:

Go Beavers said:

So much pride. Shameless trump supporters often chime in on the PJ facebook page. Check it out for a greater understanding of how they think. Specifically the thread where Ed is throwing paper towels to Cub fans.  

But they were soft towels. And beautiful. And people were having a lot of fun.

Seriously though, when do we cut the Cubs fans off? They can't expect a continuous flow of free paper towels.  

Halifax2TheMax

Go Beavers said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Go Beavers said:

So much pride. Shameless trump supporters often chime in on the PJ facebook page. Check it out for a greater understanding of how they think. Specifically the thread where Ed is throwing paper towels to Cub fans.  

But they were soft towels. And beautiful. And people were having a lot of fun.

Seriously though, when do we cut the Cubs fans off? They can't expect a continuous flow of free paper towels.  

Three weeks after their next loss.

Go Beavers

We're now in the deepest depths of bizzaro world: Rush on trump "There's a part of this story (nfl protest) that's starting to make me nervous, and it's this: I'm very uncomfortable with the President of the United States being able to dictate the power and behavior of anybody. That's not where this should be coming from". 

Halifax2TheMax

Tone deaf, as usual.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/10/12/black-americans-want-new-gun-laws-to-curb-gun-violence-trump-offers-more-police/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-card-politics:homepage/card&utm_term=.b089c959a38c
 

Halifax2TheMax

More brilliant brilliance brilliantly on display. "Oh Jared dear boy, I thought I told you to use a number 2 pencil and bring a big eraser? No bother, fetch me my slippers, bring me a plate of meatloaf and tell me all about that Middle East peace process, particularly that part about Yasir and Itzhak and how Hamas and Fatah have mended their ways. I'll fluff the pillows."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/politics/jared-kushner-background-check-form/index.html

OnWis97

Go Beavers said:

We're now in the deepest depths of bizzaro world: Rush on trump "There's a part of this story (nfl protest) that's starting to make me nervous, and it's this: I'm very uncomfortable with the President of the United States being able to dictate the power and behavior of anybody. That's not where this should be coming from". 

Credit where it's due.  All of these right-wingers who claim to want less government interference in our lives should feel this way.  It's actually very telling that so few of them do (or at least that so few say it).  Party first...but more of them should really be saying this.  He did not say he supports the players (I'm sure he does not).  He simply said that a government official has overstepped his bounds.  But since supporting Trump is pretty much about supporting everything he does, his followers (and the right-wing media they support) just blindly buy in.  NOBODY, left or right should support Trump's involvement with this, regardless of how they feel about the protests.

rgambs

Go Beavers said:

We're now in the deepest depths of bizzaro world: Rush on trump "There's a part of this story (nfl protest) that's starting to make me nervous, and it's this: I'm very uncomfortable with the President of the United States being able to dictate the power and behavior of anybody. That's not where this should be coming from". 

I am a little surprised at this.  Rush is batshit crazy and insanely hypocritical, but he has ties to and fandom for the NFL. 
He's crazier, but he has more ideological integrity than Hannity.

oftenreading

OnWis97 said:

Go Beavers said:

We're now in the deepest depths of bizzaro world: Rush on trump "There's a part of this story (nfl protest) that's starting to make me nervous, and it's this: I'm very uncomfortable with the President of the United States being able to dictate the power and behavior of anybody. That's not where this should be coming from". 

Credit where it's due.  All of these right-wingers who claim to want less government interference in our lives should feel this way.  It's actually very telling that so few of them do (or at least that so few say it).  Party first...but more of them should really be saying this.  He did not say he supports the players (I'm sure he does not).  He simply said that a government official has overstepped his bounds.  But since supporting Trump is pretty much about supporting everything he does, his followers (and the right-wing media they support) just blindly buy in.  NOBODY, left or right should support Trump's involvement with this, regardless of how they feel about the protests.

He does not support the players. He says that Trump is right ideologically, but shouldn't have the right to tell employees of an organization how to act; that's the job of the employer. 

The Juggler

Lemmings

mrussel1

That's exactly right.  Is this chart true/accurate?  What's the source?

OnWis97

oftenreading said:

OnWis97 said:

Go Beavers said:

We're now in the deepest depths of bizzaro world: Rush on trump "There's a part of this story (nfl protest) that's starting to make me nervous, and it's this: I'm very uncomfortable with the President of the United States being able to dictate the power and behavior of anybody. That's not where this should be coming from". 

Credit where it's due.  All of these right-wingers who claim to want less government interference in our lives should feel this way.  It's actually very telling that so few of them do (or at least that so few say it).  Party first...but more of them should really be saying this.  He did not say he supports the players (I'm sure he does not).  He simply said that a government official has overstepped his bounds.  But since supporting Trump is pretty much about supporting everything he does, his followers (and the right-wing media they support) just blindly buy in.  NOBODY, left or right should support Trump's involvement with this, regardless of how they feel about the protests.

He does not support the players. He says that Trump is right ideologically, but shouldn't have the right to tell employees of an organization how to act; that's the job of the employer. 

Yeah, I know.  It's rare today for anyone to even be able to balance their nationalism and/or love for Trump with the big picture of the office's role.

tbergs

What in the holy fuck is wrong with this guy? Why is a sitting president allowed to support a group who fights against equality? This is some backwards bullshit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-anti-lgbt-address-hate-group-summit-meeting-first-president-us-homphobia-a7997401.html