Donald Trump

OnWis97

OK...I've been ignoring the challenges because "my sister's high school boyfriend found a Georgia ballot box in a truck in Louisiana" just isn't very compelling.

But I ate lunch while they were talking about Arizona and I think I understand their semi-cogent argument. I think it relates to the Texas lawsuit. Texas was right but it didn't have standing.

• States changed various voting processes for this election (Is that true? I know a federal court actually shut down a Minnesota deadline change)
• It's not convenient but state legislators have to make all changes to state election processes. If the state legislature doesn't make the change no state employee can (Again; not sure how true)
• Therefore, the states that did not do this correctly should not be counted. And then Trump wins a majority of EVs (I think that's how it would go; it's not 270; it's 50% +1.
• That said, at best they're trying to win on a technicality, given that we all know who America came out and voted for. Also, should every state regardless of who won be under the same scrutiny? What if Florida did something wrong...they should be invalidated, as well. Also, the guy I saw making this argument about Arizona is an Arizona congressman, so his election should be invalid as well, correct?

All the "fraud" crap is nonsense, but I think they have a pretty compelling point here. That said, "states rights" and it no longer matters how states got there. But did some states actually have rules bent (not for Biden but for Covid, or whatever)?

HughFreakingDillon

seeing some of the violence at the capital on twitter. holy shit. 

imagine if any of those people were black. 

tbergs

mrussel1 said:

Cruz recommending a committee like 1876, which was so disastrous that it created the electoral count act of 1877.  And the only reason 1876 was resolved was by by Republicans agreeing to end Reconstruction.  He knows better.  Asshole.

Yeah, I was yelling at him through my computer when he brought that up. Such a misrepresentation that the common person has no idea about.

gimmesometruth27

Cliffy6745 said:

Someone is gonna get killed today

looks that way, sadly.

i am waiting for the police to start shooting. if the masses were black they probably would have already.

gimmesometruth27

https://twitter.com/RepHaleyStevens/status/1346890595080482825?s=20

mrussel1

OnWis97 said:

OK...I've been ignoring the challenges because "my sister's high school boyfriend found a Georgia ballot box in a truck in Louisiana" just isn't very compelling.

But I ate lunch while they were talking about Arizona and I think I understand their semi-cogent argument. I think it relates to the Texas lawsuit. Texas was right but it didn't have standing.

• States changed various voting processes for this election (Is that true? I know a federal court actually shut down a Minnesota deadline change)
• It's not convenient but state legislators have to make all changes to state election processes. If the state legislature doesn't make the change no state employee can (Again; not sure how true)
• Therefore, the states that did not do this correctly should not be counted. And then Trump wins a majority of EVs (I think that's how it would go; it's not 270; it's 50% +1.
• That said, at best they're trying to win on a technicality, given that we all know who America came out and voted for. Also, should every state regardless of who won be under the same scrutiny? What if Florida did something wrong...they should be invalidated, as well. Also, the guy I saw making this argument about Arizona is an Arizona congressman, so his election should be invalid as well, correct?

All the "fraud" crap is nonsense, but I think they have a pretty compelling point here. That said, "states rights" and it no longer matters how states got there. But did some states actually have rules bent (not for Biden but for Covid, or whatever)?

No your second point is not correct.  State legislators can delegate duties to their election officials.  That is established law.  In fact,  the same thing happened in Texas and was upheld by the appeals court before the election.  And it wasn't a standing issue nor laches.

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/02/930365888/federal-judge-dismisses-effort-to-throw-out-drive-through-votes-in-houston

Merkin Baller

OnWis97 said:

OK...I've been ignoring the challenges because "my sister's high school boyfriend found a Georgia ballot box in a truck in Louisiana" just isn't very compelling.

But I ate lunch while they were talking about Arizona and I think I understand their semi-cogent argument. I think it relates to the Texas lawsuit. Texas was right but it didn't have standing.

• States changed various voting processes for this election (Is that true? I know a federal court actually shut down a Minnesota deadline change)
• It's not convenient but state legislators have to make all changes to state election processes. If the state legislature doesn't make the change no state employee can (Again; not sure how true)
• Therefore, the states that did not do this correctly should not be counted. And then Trump wins a majority of EVs (I think that's how it would go; it's not 270; it's 50% +1.
• That said, at best they're trying to win on a technicality, given that we all know who America came out and voted for. Also, should every state regardless of who won be under the same scrutiny? What if Florida did something wrong...they should be invalidated, as well. Also, the guy I saw making this argument about Arizona is an Arizona congressman, so his election should be invalid as well, correct?

All the "fraud" crap is nonsense, but I think they have a pretty compelling point here. That said, "states rights" and it no longer matters how states got there. But did some states actually have rules bent (not for Biden but for Covid, or whatever)?

I'm sure someone who knows more about this can clarify, but as I understand it, legitimate objections to the process are to be raised in advance of the election, not afterwards, when your side has lost. 

& I believe in Pennsylvania's case, the republican legislature agreed to the changes to the election process, and are only objecting to it now after the fact because again... their side lost.

mickeyrat

MayDay10 said:

honest question:  knowing he was going to speak to congress/senate today and be on television representing himself and his state.... why couldnt Ted Cruz be bothered with shaving?

he got fat. beady eyes, rat like nose, no chin and extra weight isnt a good look.

gimmesometruth27

trump is probably having the pardon paperwork drawn up for the people being arrested right now.

mickeyrat

mcgruff10 said:

Just read excerpts from mitch’s speech, my man makes a lot of sense but where the hell has that been?

it wasnt politically expedient before today.

Merkin Baller

mickeyrat said:

mcgruff10 said:

Just read excerpts from mitch’s speech, my man makes a lot of sense but where the hell has that been?

it wasnt politically expedient before today.

AKA - didn't serve Mitch McConnell's best interests. 

tbergs

gimmesometruth27 said:

trump is probably having the pardon paperwork drawn up for the people being arrested right now.

Common people, not a chance. He doesn't care about them and never has. They already served their purpose. His only other need for them is to feed his ego at his rallies.

mickeyrat

OnWis97 said:

OK...I've been ignoring the challenges because "my sister's high school boyfriend found a Georgia ballot box in a truck in Louisiana" just isn't very compelling.

But I ate lunch while they were talking about Arizona and I think I understand their semi-cogent argument. I think it relates to the Texas lawsuit. Texas was right but it didn't have standing.

• States changed various voting processes for this election (Is that true? I know a federal court actually shut down a Minnesota deadline change)
• It's not convenient but state legislators have to make all changes to state election processes. If the state legislature doesn't make the change no state employee can (Again; not sure how true)
• Therefore, the states that did not do this correctly should not be counted. And then Trump wins a majority of EVs (I think that's how it would go; it's not 270; it's 50% +1.
• That said, at best they're trying to win on a technicality, given that we all know who America came out and voted for. Also, should every state regardless of who won be under the same scrutiny? What if Florida did something wrong...they should be invalidated, as well. Also, the guy I saw making this argument about Arizona is an Arizona congressman, so his election should be invalid as well, correct?

All the "fraud" crap is nonsense, but I think they have a pretty compelling point here. That said, "states rights" and it no longer matters how states got there. But did some states actually have rules bent (not for Biden but for Covid, or whatever)?

then it was for the respective legislatures to act for the primaries and the general. tgey did not, so by inaction granted these authorities

Merkin Baller

Fuck this fucking guy. 

Mike D88

HughFreakingDillon said:

seeing some of the violence at the capital on twitter. holy shit. 

imagine if any of those people were black. 

They would have jumped straight to live rounds if this was BLM or "antifa." Y'all Qaeda gets a pass to charge the steps of the Capitol Building.

mrussel1

Merkin Baller said:

OnWis97 said:

OK...I've been ignoring the challenges because "my sister's high school boyfriend found a Georgia ballot box in a truck in Louisiana" just isn't very compelling.

But I ate lunch while they were talking about Arizona and I think I understand their semi-cogent argument. I think it relates to the Texas lawsuit. Texas was right but it didn't have standing.

• States changed various voting processes for this election (Is that true? I know a federal court actually shut down a Minnesota deadline change)
• It's not convenient but state legislators have to make all changes to state election processes. If the state legislature doesn't make the change no state employee can (Again; not sure how true)
• Therefore, the states that did not do this correctly should not be counted. And then Trump wins a majority of EVs (I think that's how it would go; it's not 270; it's 50% +1.
• That said, at best they're trying to win on a technicality, given that we all know who America came out and voted for. Also, should every state regardless of who won be under the same scrutiny? What if Florida did something wrong...they should be invalidated, as well. Also, the guy I saw making this argument about Arizona is an Arizona congressman, so his election should be invalid as well, correct?

All the "fraud" crap is nonsense, but I think they have a pretty compelling point here. That said, "states rights" and it no longer matters how states got there. But did some states actually have rules bent (not for Biden but for Covid, or whatever)?

I'm sure someone who knows more about this can clarify, but as I understand it, legitimate objections to the process are to be raised in advance of the election, not afterwards, when your side has lost. 

& I believe in Pennsylvania's case, the republican legislature agreed to the changes to the election process, and are only objecting to it now after the fact because again... their side lost.

Yes. It's called the doctrine of laches.  

Jearlpam0925

mcgruff10 said:

Just read excerpts from mitch’s speech, my man makes a lot of sense but where the hell has that been?

This is why the Republican Party will not go away. People can forget everything in a second. Like, are you easily duped by this dipshit? He means none of it.

mrussel1

LAW AND ORDER!  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9118653/Thousands-Trump-supporters-gather-White-House-Save-America-rally.html

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon

and mitch just blamed all this on the democrats in 2016. because, of course it's all their fault. lol