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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,973
    ikiT said:
    I have a lot of faith in Roberts.  He effing hates Trumpito.  He's going to give him NOTHING.
    I can't even tell you how much I hope Roberts is an honorable man and an independent thinker. This gives me hope, thank you.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,407
    Kat said:
    ikiT said:
    I have a lot of faith in Roberts.  He effing hates Trumpito.  He's going to give him NOTHING.
    I can't even tell you how much I hope Roberts is an honorable man and an independent thinker. This gives me hope, thank you.
    i really hope that he is as well. this is his court. his name is on it. i do not think he would want his name going down in history to protect trump.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,517
       
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,090
    bootlegger10 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:

    The other big today story is that last night Chief Justice John Roberts released the annual report on the federal judiciary.

    Roberts is in a touchy position right now. As the head of the Supreme Court, he is responsible for the health and well-being of the entire judicial system, and he cannot be unaware of the disdain Americans have conceived for Chief Justices who used the court to achieve unpopular political decisions. Roger Taney, for example (whose name is pronounced “Tawney,” for unfathomable reasons), led the court in the years before the Civil War, and has been consigned to the dustbin of history for his role in deciding the 1857 Dred Scott decision in such a way that it gave elite slaveholders control of the newly acquired American West while both denying the humanity of African Americans and the rights of poor white men. Chief Justice Melville Fuller, who presided over a slew of horrid decisions at the turn of the last century, including the 1896 Plessy v. Ferguson decision that rubberstamped “separate but equal” justifying segregation, was such an embarrassment that virtually no one even remembers him: we call his court the “Lochner Era court” rather than the “Melville Fuller court.”

    Roberts was appointed by Republican President George W. Bush and presided over Shelby County v. Holder (2013), which gutted the Voting Rights Act, as well as Citizens United v Federal Election Commission (2010), which said that the government cannot restrict the amount of money corporations can invest in political speech. He is a firm believer in a small federal government and the power of corporations, but he is also an intelligent man who cares about his legacy.

    Roberts will preside over the upcoming Senate impeachment trial of President Trump, and he has already exchanged words with Trump over the independence of the judiciary: Trump has tried throughout his administration to sow distrust of judges appointed by Democrats, while Roberts has countered that judges must be impartial.

    So Roberts’s introduction to the annual report was not idle. He began by attacking the use of propaganda and mob rule and went on to defend the independence of the judiciary. He went out of his way to praise Judge Merrick Garland-- although not by name--, President Barack Obama’s nominee for the Supreme Court whom Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, in an unprecedented attack on the presidency, refused to consider.

    But most interesting to me in his report was that when Roberts talked at great length about the role of the courts to educate Americans about the rule of law, his primary example was the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision outlawing segregation. That case is pivotal in American history not only because of its role in desegregation, but because it sparked an outpouring of scholarship suggesting that society changes not because of social trends or economic or politics, but because of court decisions. In the wake of Brown v. Board, the great historian C. Vann Woodward argued that segregation itself came only after Jim Crow laws, and that popular acceptance of civil rights would come only after legal desegregation.

    Roberts seemed to me to be saying that the job of reclaiming democracy and the rule of law belonged to the courts now—a major declaration at a time when Trump has a number of court cases pending, as well, of course, as his impeachment trial. I absolutely could be reading too much into Roberts’s declaration, but it seemed to me significant.

    What exactly Roberts means by the rule of law, though, remains to be seen.




    Heather should be a little careful thinking Robert's can be some sort of friend of democracy and the rule of law.

    Roberts has had a heavy hand ripping these apart with his Court's 5-4 party line votes in 3 significant cases involving citizen rights:

    Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission

    Shelby County v. Holder

    Rucho v. Common Cause


    2 of the 3 cases are the Court overriding existing law to cede obscene power to the federal govt and the wealthy. And allowing the several states to use racism to take away voting rights 

    The 3rd case is the 5 republican Justices  allowing the states to use  race as a weapon to draw election district maps.

    These 3 cases are pivotal in overriding congress and granting unchecked power to the white and wealthy.

    Lastly, Robert's has very little power to have any material impact on an impeachment trial. Senate rules give that power to 51 senators.
    I am not making any statement regarding these cases, but just going to comment that you mention these were party line votes.  So does that mean that both sides put party over law, or is party line only a negative connotation when conservatives vote together?

    If Roberts was the devil he would have ruled against Obamacare.

    These cases are all about consolidating more power for republicans, similar to rigging the rules for which elections are managed. They are by their nature heavily political. 

    I can not recall a 5-4 party line vote where Democrats used the Court to change the existing laws in their favor. Can you?
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,090
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What’s the over under on the amount of time before a Team Trump Treason Tower is collapsed and it what country? Sure am glad I don’t have to go home to one of those.
    that would be an interesting development. he would go to war for sure if that happened. 

    Difficult to do if noone claims responsibility 

    One of the reasons trump has a decent chance at reelection is the libertarians are staying with him. 

    If trump continues to escalate with Iran I believe he will lose that support. And alot of it comes from swing states.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,090
    ikiT said:
    I have a lot of faith in Roberts.  He effing hates Trumpito.  He's going to give him NOTHING.

    But he loves everything and anything Republican.  To the core.

    Which is probably besides the point because all big trial decisions will be decided by majority vote, not Roberts.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,407
    Lerxst1992 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What’s the over under on the amount of time before a Team Trump Treason Tower is collapsed and it what country? Sure am glad I don’t have to go home to one of those.
    that would be an interesting development. he would go to war for sure if that happened. 

    Difficult to do if noone claims responsibility 

    One of the reasons trump has a decent chance at reelection is the libertarians are staying with him. 

    If trump continues to escalate with Iran I believe he will lose that support. And alot of it comes from swing states.
    i think you are giving libertarians a little too much credit with sticking to their own platform. the current ones are waaay more okay with trump's policies than they would have been 10 years ago.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • 23scidoo
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    Good luck now..


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  • lindamarie73
    lindamarie73 Posts: 491
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What’s the over under on the amount of time before a Team Trump Treason Tower is collapsed and it what country? Sure am glad I don’t have to go home to one of those.
    Interested in a line to make a bet on a terrorist event for the destruction of another high rise building where countless  of innocent lives will be lost???  And another is interested in this line??? This is a very sad comment,  but not surprising one bit....
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,792
    lindamarie73 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What’s the over under on the amount of time before a Team Trump Treason Tower is collapsed and it what country? Sure am glad I don’t have to go home to one of those.
    Interested in a line to make a bet on a terrorist event for the destruction of another high rise building where countless  of innocent lives will be lost???  And another is interested in this line??? This is a very sad comment,  but not surprising one bit....
    Iran has already stated they will retaliate! In your opinion how & where do you think the attacks will happen? 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • lindamarie73
    lindamarie73 Posts: 491
    josevolution said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What’s the over under on the amount of time before a Team Trump Treason Tower is collapsed and it what country? Sure am glad I don’t have to go home to one of those.
    Interested in a line to make a bet on a terrorist event for the destruction of another high rise building where countless  of innocent lives will be lost???  And another is interested in this line??? This is a very sad comment,  but not surprising one bit....
    Iran has already stated they will retaliate! In your opinion how & where do you think the attacks will happen? 
    You want my opinion?? ....I’ll give you my opinion on this shameful comment ....there is something very wrong with a person who is interested in a betting line on where the next terrorist event will happen on a building that has the President of the United States of America’s name on it.   I lost a family member on 9/11, so I will just leave it at that.   God Bless America 
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    lindamarie73 said:
    josevolution said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What’s the over under on the amount of time before a Team Trump Treason Tower is collapsed and it what country? Sure am glad I don’t have to go home to one of those.
    Interested in a line to make a bet on a terrorist event for the destruction of another high rise building where countless  of innocent lives will be lost???  And another is interested in this line??? This is a very sad comment,  but not surprising one bit....
    Iran has already stated they will retaliate! In your opinion how & where do you think the attacks will happen? 
    You want my opinion?? ....I’ll give you my opinion on this shameful comment ....there is something very wrong with a person who is interested in a betting line on where the next terrorist event will happen on a building that has the President of the United States of America’s name on it.   I lost a family member on 9/11, so I will just leave it at that.   God Bless America 
    Errrrrbody did.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    My kids were in those towers a week before that. 

    Don's getting mad reckless and brayzeeee.

    Opinions aren't facts.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    lindamarie73 said:
    josevolution said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What’s the over under on the amount of time before a Team Trump Treason Tower is collapsed and it what country? Sure am glad I don’t have to go home to one of those.
    Interested in a line to make a bet on a terrorist event for the destruction of another high rise building where countless  of innocent lives will be lost???  And another is interested in this line??? This is a very sad comment,  but not surprising one bit....
    Iran has already stated they will retaliate! In your opinion how & where do you think the attacks will happen? 
    You want my opinion?? ....I’ll give you my opinion on this shameful comment ....there is something very wrong with a person who is interested in a betting line on where the next terrorist event will happen on a building that has the President of the United States of America’s name on it.   I lost a family member on 9/11, so I will just leave it at that.   God Bless America 
    My opinion is I oppose shameful ignoramuses who unilaterally act in ways of high odds of retaliation, thereby abusing their positions of power and endangering the population they swore to protect. Don't blame those of us who are trying to determine just how outrageously stupid and reckless this act, it's your own arrogance and ignorance preventing you from seeing that retaliation is highly likely, and your guy is responsible for opening that door.

    I'm sorry for your loss - I'm also sorry for the countless amount of lives that were lost predicated on lies associating Iraq with that day.
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    lindamarie73 said:
    josevolution said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What’s the over under on the amount of time before a Team Trump Treason Tower is collapsed and it what country? Sure am glad I don’t have to go home to one of those.
    Interested in a line to make a bet on a terrorist event for the destruction of another high rise building where countless  of innocent lives will be lost???  And another is interested in this line??? This is a very sad comment,  but not surprising one bit....
    Iran has already stated they will retaliate! In your opinion how & where do you think the attacks will happen? 
    You want my opinion?? ....I’ll give you my opinion on this shameful comment ....there is something very wrong with a person who is interested in a betting line on where the next terrorist event will happen on a building that has the President of the United States of America’s name on it.   I lost a family member on 9/11, so I will just leave it at that.   God Bless America 
    There is no God
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    The drums are getting louder.  Speak out now. 

    remove and pardon (or prosecute I don't give a fuck).  he has to go.
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  • lindamarie73
    lindamarie73 Posts: 491
    CM189191 said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    josevolution said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What’s the over under on the amount of time before a Team Trump Treason Tower is collapsed and it what country? Sure am glad I don’t have to go home to one of those.
    Interested in a line to make a bet on a terrorist event for the destruction of another high rise building where countless  of innocent lives will be lost???  And another is interested in this line??? This is a very sad comment,  but not surprising one bit....
    Iran has already stated they will retaliate! In your opinion how & where do you think the attacks will happen? 
    You want my opinion?? ....I’ll give you my opinion on this shameful comment ....there is something very wrong with a person who is interested in a betting line on where the next terrorist event will happen on a building that has the President of the United States of America’s name on it.   I lost a family member on 9/11, so I will just leave it at that.   God Bless America 
    There is no God
    Well that’s your problem that you may have to answer to someday, but looking for a line to bet for the next terrorist event to happen on a building that has Trumps name on it that will be full of innocent people is wrong, even for this forum.  
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,517
    CM189191 said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    josevolution said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What’s the over under on the amount of time before a Team Trump Treason Tower is collapsed and it what country? Sure am glad I don’t have to go home to one of those.
    Interested in a line to make a bet on a terrorist event for the destruction of another high rise building where countless  of innocent lives will be lost???  And another is interested in this line??? This is a very sad comment,  but not surprising one bit....
    Iran has already stated they will retaliate! In your opinion how & where do you think the attacks will happen? 
    You want my opinion?? ....I’ll give you my opinion on this shameful comment ....there is something very wrong with a person who is interested in a betting line on where the next terrorist event will happen on a building that has the President of the United States of America’s name on it.   I lost a family member on 9/11, so I will just leave it at that.   God Bless America 
    There is no God
    Of course there is and she is not amused
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    edited January 2020
    lindamarie73 said:
    CM189191 said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    josevolution said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What’s the over under on the amount of time before a Team Trump Treason Tower is collapsed and it what country? Sure am glad I don’t have to go home to one of those.
    Interested in a line to make a bet on a terrorist event for the destruction of another high rise building where countless  of innocent lives will be lost???  And another is interested in this line??? This is a very sad comment,  but not surprising one bit....
    Iran has already stated they will retaliate! In your opinion how & where do you think the attacks will happen? 
    You want my opinion?? ....I’ll give you my opinion on this shameful comment ....there is something very wrong with a person who is interested in a betting line on where the next terrorist event will happen on a building that has the President of the United States of America’s name on it.   I lost a family member on 9/11, so I will just leave it at that.   God Bless America 
    There is no God
    Well that’s your problem that you may have to answer to someday, but looking for a line to bet for the next terrorist event to happen on a building that has Trumps name on it that will be full of innocent people is wrong, even for this forum.  

    Happy to see you reevaluating your conservative credentials. Because that's basically what Trump did when he fired off at the Iranian general. Trump in the GOP put at Target on Trump's buildings, on innocent American civilians, and unnecessarily escalated to a conflict just to distract from his own money laundering and criminal activities. Stochastic terrorism at it's finest. 

    lindamarie73 said:
    Is this when Republicans loot, destroy, and set things on fire, or is that just a Democratic thing??  
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    YO

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