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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    edited October 2022
    mace1229 said:
    How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 

    It doesn't matter cuz gas prices. 

    Embrace fascism & authoritarianism cuz gas prices. 
    How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 
    But but but HUNTER!!!
    Correct on both posts! Russia can drop a nuke right in the center of Ukraine and MAGA idiots would applaud it! But yeah Genocide has nothing on gas prices here in land of freedumb! 
    Where do you get that? I get that your exaggerating, or at least assume you are, and they wouldn't actually applaud it.
    But I keep hearing people say MAGA supports Putin. But I haven't seen anyone support him, just saying its not our problem, not our war, etc. Not believe its worth the cost to us. They all would greatly fear a nuke being used.
    https://www.fox4news.com/news/cpac-crowd-members-briefly-wave-russian-flags-stamped-with-trump.amp
    Ok maybe you didn’t see it but I thought I’d point it out! It surely looks like they support Putin! 
    I question a couple things here.  The intelligence of the people that were waving the trump Russia flags, were they actually aware that these were Russian flags?  Two, who distributed the flags?  It would be easy for someone with a political motive to distribute those flags to a bunch of uneducated Trump supporters to make things look worse than they are.  Those people could have been thinking oh how nice a red white and blue trump flag for all we know.  It sounds like the organizers were collecting them and throwing out the people in possession of the flags, that doesn't sound like endorsing the behavior to me.  I'm sure this view makes me a "Putin Apologist"
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,457
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 

    It doesn't matter cuz gas prices. 

    Embrace fascism & authoritarianism cuz gas prices. 
    How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 
    But but but HUNTER!!!
    Correct on both posts! Russia can drop a nuke right in the center of Ukraine and MAGA idiots would applaud it! But yeah Genocide has nothing on gas prices here in land of freedumb! 
    Where do you get that? I get that your exaggerating, or at least assume you are, and they wouldn't actually applaud it.
    But I keep hearing people say MAGA supports Putin. But I haven't seen anyone support him, just saying its not our problem, not our war, etc. Not believe its worth the cost to us. They all would greatly fear a nuke being used.
    https://www.fox4news.com/news/cpac-crowd-members-briefly-wave-russian-flags-stamped-with-trump.amp
    Ok maybe you didn’t see it but I thought I’d point it out! It surely looks like they support Putin! 
    I question a couple things here.  The intelligence of the people that were waving the trump Russia flags, were they actually aware that these were Russian flags?  Two, who distributed the flags?  It would be easy for someone with a political motive to distribute those flags to a bunch of uneducated Trump supporters to make things look worse than they are.  Those people could have been thinking oh how nice a red white and blue trump flag for all we know.  It sounds like the organizers were collecting them and throwing out the people in possession of the flags, that doesn't sound like endorsing the behavior to me.  I'm sure this view makes me a "Putin Apologist"
    Ok let’s chalk it up to stupidity for his supporters! It still happened and if they could get away without any media finding out about this stunt they’d happily keep them! 
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 

    It doesn't matter cuz gas prices. 

    Embrace fascism & authoritarianism cuz gas prices. 
    How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 
    But but but HUNTER!!!
    Correct on both posts! Russia can drop a nuke right in the center of Ukraine and MAGA idiots would applaud it! But yeah Genocide has nothing on gas prices here in land of freedumb! 
    Where do you get that? I get that your exaggerating, or at least assume you are, and they wouldn't actually applaud it.
    But I keep hearing people say MAGA supports Putin. But I haven't seen anyone support him, just saying its not our problem, not our war, etc. Not believe its worth the cost to us. They all would greatly fear a nuke being used.
    https://www.fox4news.com/news/cpac-crowd-members-briefly-wave-russian-flags-stamped-with-trump.amp
    Ok maybe you didn’t see it but I thought I’d point it out! It surely looks like they support Putin! 
    I question a couple things here.  The intelligence of the people that were waving the trump Russia flags, were they actually aware that these were Russian flags?  Two, who distributed the flags?  It would be easy for someone with a political motive to distribute those flags to a bunch of uneducated Trump supporters to make things look worse than they are.  Those people could have been thinking oh how nice a red white and blue trump flag for all we know.  It sounds like the organizers were collecting them and throwing out the people in possession of the flags, that doesn't sound like endorsing the behavior to me.  I'm sure this view makes me a "Putin Apologist"
    Ok let’s chalk it up to stupidity for his supporters! It still happened and if they could get away without any media finding out about this stunt they’d happily keep them! 
    It's all about the stupid supporters, and those who are manipulating them.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,093
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 

    It doesn't matter cuz gas prices. 

    Embrace fascism & authoritarianism cuz gas prices. 
    How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 
    But but but HUNTER!!!
    Correct on both posts! Russia can drop a nuke right in the center of Ukraine and MAGA idiots would applaud it! But yeah Genocide has nothing on gas prices here in land of freedumb! 
    Where do you get that? I get that your exaggerating, or at least assume you are, and they wouldn't actually applaud it.
    But I keep hearing people say MAGA supports Putin. But I haven't seen anyone support him, just saying its not our problem, not our war, etc. Not believe its worth the cost to us. They all would greatly fear a nuke being used.
    https://www.fox4news.com/news/cpac-crowd-members-briefly-wave-russian-flags-stamped-with-trump.amp
    Ok maybe you didn’t see it but I thought I’d point it out! It surely looks like they support Putin! 
    I question a couple things here.  The intelligence of the people that were waving the trump Russia flags, were they actually aware that these were Russian flags?  Two, who distributed the flags?  It would be easy for someone with a political motive to distribute those flags to a bunch of uneducated Trump supporters to make things look worse than they are.  Those people could have been thinking oh how nice a red white and blue trump flag for all we know.  It sounds like the organizers were collecting them and throwing out the people in possession of the flags, that doesn't sound like endorsing the behavior to me.  I'm sure this view makes me a "Putin Apologist"
    I would also imagine this is the case. 
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,652
    edited October 2022

    The russian flag thing was a prank. An awesome prank, but a prank nonetheless. https://www.gq.com/story/cpac-trump-russian-flags

    I also can't imagine anyone but the most extreme of chaos agents would cheer a nuke being dropped anywhere. 


    With all that being said, the GOP has a very real pro-putin problem within their ranks. If they didn't, Mike Pence wouldn't have warned about it this week. 

    https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-2022-midterm-elections-europe-744e33c8ac5f789329a5f8ec178c1ef5
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    MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,625
    just a misunderstanding


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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,457
    MayDay10 said:
    just a misunderstanding


    Chalk it up to stupidity 🤣🤣 after a while that excuse just won’t do! GOP sympathies with Putin! Specially MAGA cultist 
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    To apologize for Putin on the ritz by claiming there’s no affinity for him within the repub party leadership, rank and file and party faithful after the past 7 years of knowing what we know and witnessing what we’ve witnessed is disingenuous at best and delusional at worst.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,093
    the extremist wing of the party. 
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,652
    edited October 2022
    the extremist wing of the party. 
    "The party of extremists" is more appropriate at this point. 

    -edited for typo 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,469
    the extremist wing of the party. 
    "The party of extremists" is more appropriate at this point. 

    -edited for typo 
    Yeah. In case anyone hasn't noticed...that's basically the Republican party at this point. 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,469
    ^And if more people still need convincing, here is what the Republican nominee for governor of my state---one of the most important swing states in the country--- is doing

    https://www.inquirer.com/politics/clout/doug-mastriano-josh-shapiro-governor-election-mike-flynn-rudy-giuliani-20221021.html

    Doug Mastriano will flirt again with the QAnon crowd as another election approaches

    Doug Mastriano continues to embrace the fringiest parts on the conservative movement, including the QAnon crowed, just weeks before the Nov. 8 general election for governor in Pennsylvani

      In a normal election year, candidates for statewide office might cozy up to the fringiest parts of their political party to help win the primary and then distance themselves ahead of the general election.

      This is not a normal election year.

      Doug Mastriano, the Republican nominee for governor in Pennsylvania, is scheduled to be the final speaker Saturday evening at a two-day festival of fringe known as ReAwaken America, a multistate speaking tour for QAnon proponents, 2020 election liars, COVID vaccine doubters, and other sundry and sullied conspiracy theorists.

      Sound familiar? That’s because Mastriano spoke just a few weeks before May’s primary at a similar event. That prompted plenty of headlines, which led to a very public tantrum as Mastriano hung up in the middle of a conservative podcast interview when asked about it.

      Clay Clark, who serves as ringmaster for the culture-war-heavy tour, told Clout that Mastriano’s campaign asked for a spot in the lineup, which features about 70 speakers over two days at the sprawling Spooky Nook Sports complex in Lancaster County. Tickets go for $250 or $500 for VIP front-row seats. Clark expects a crowd of about 5,000.

      Former U.S. Army Gen. Mike Flynn, a star to QAnon devotees, is the tour’s main attraction. Flynn, who spoke at Mastriano’s campaign kickoff in January, was fired by former President Donald Trump as national security adviser for lying to the FBI, pleaded guilty in federal court, and then was pardoned by Trump.


      Flynn, who like Mastriano tried to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, is scheduled to speak Friday evening and again Saturday just before Mastriano.

      Other speakers include Trump’s son Eric, pillow salesman Mike Lindell, and political dirty trickster Roger Stone.


      Clark says his tour is not QAnon-focused, suggesting that some of the speakers are Libertarians but that does not make it a Libertarian event.

      “I don’t look to QAnon for wisdom,” he said.

      QAnon adherents believe that a global cabal of Democrats and elites traffic children for sex and engage in demonic activity — and that Trump planned to expose and end all that. Like actual baloney, there are many varieties of this bonkers belief system.

      The Democratic nominee for governor, state Attorney General Josh Shapiro, used Saturday’s event to keep casting Mastriano as “too extreme” to run Pennsylvania. Shapiro this week released a new television ad focused on Mastriano’s links to QAnon.


      The ad’s kicker: “Doug Mastriano: The more we learn, the crazier it gets.”

      Shapiro, campaigning in North Philly on Wednesday, told Clout, “Doug Mastriano’s direct ties to QAnon are just another example of how dangerous and extreme he is and how much he lives on the fringes.”

      Mastriano, a state senator from Franklin County who limits media interactions to conservative show hosts who openly support his campaign, did not respond to Clout’s hails.

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      The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,469
      Yep. And she is, unfortunately, likely going to win.
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      mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,811
      Yep. And she is, unfortunately, likely going to win.
      If she wins, it's Hobbs's fault for not debating her.  You think she's full of crap?  Debate her and embarrass her.  Hobbs refuses and that's a huge mistake. 

      On the bright side, I tend to think Lake is a craven opportunist.  I doubt that she is "MAGA" for real.  That was her way of winning the primary and then rolling the dice.  It may work.  She may act like a normal person if she wins.  Then again, she may not...
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      mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,357

       
      Jan. 6 panel subpoenas Trump, demanding historic testimony
      By FARNOUSH AMIRI and MARY CLARE JALONICK
      2 hours ago

      WASHINGTON (AP) — The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol formally issued an extraordinary subpoena to Donald Trump on Friday, demanding testimony from the former president who lawmakers say “personally orchestrated” a multi-part effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

      The nine-member panel issued a letter to Trump's lawyers saying he must testify, either at the Capitol or by videoconference, “beginning on or about” Nov. 14 and continuing for multiple days if necessary.

      The letter also outlined a sweeping request for documents, including personal communications between Trump and members of Congress as well as extremist groups. Those are to be turned in by Nov. 4, although the committee's deadlines are generally subject to negotiation.

      “We recognize that a subpoena to a former president is a significant and historic action," Chairman Bennie Thompson and Vice Chair Liz Cheney wrote in the letter to Trump. “We do not take this action lightly.”

      The panel rooted its action in history, listing past presidents from John Quincy Adams to Gerald Ford, who testified before Congress after leaving office — and noted that even sitting presidents have responded to congressional subpoenas.

      It is unclear how Trump and his legal team will respond. He could comply or negotiate with the committee, announce he will defy the subpoena or ignore it altogether. He could also go to court and try to stop it.

      “We understand that, once again, flouting norms and appropriate and customary process, the Committee has publicly released a copy of its subpoena," David Warrington, a partner with the Dhillon Law Group, which is representing Trump, said in a statement late Friday. "As with any similar matter, we will review and analyze it, and will respond as appropriate to this unprecedented action.”

      The subpoena is the latest and most striking escalation in the House committee’s 15-month investigation of the deadly Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, bringing members of the panel into direct conflict with the man they have investigated from afar through the testimony of aides, allies and associates.

      In the letter, the committee wrote about the “overwhelming evidence” it has assembled, showing Trump “personally orchestrated” an effort to overturn his defeat in the 2020 election, including by spreading false allegations of widespread voter fraud, “attempting to corrupt” the Justice Department and pressuring state officials, members of Congress and his own vice president to change the results.

      “In short, you were at the center of the first and only effort by any U.S. President to overturn an election and obstruct the peaceful transition of power, ultimately culminating in a bloody attack on our own Capitol and on the Congress itself,” Thompson and Cheney said.

      Lawmakers say key details about what Trump was doing and saying during the siege remain unknown. According to the committee, the only person who can fill the gaps is Trump himself.

      The panel — comprised of seven Democrats and two Republicans — approved the subpoena for Trump in a surprise vote last week. Every member voted in support.

      The subpoena calls for testimony about Trump's dealings with several former aides and associates who have asserted their Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination to the committee, including Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, John Eastman, Jeffrey Clark and Kelli Ward.

      “These Fifth Amendment assertions — made by persons with whom you interacted — related directly to you and your conduct," the subpoena letter reads. "They provide specific examples where your truthful testimony under oath with be important.”

      The committee also made 19 requests for documents and communication — including for any messages Trump sent on the encrypted messaging app Signal “or any other means” to members of Congress and others about the stunning events of the Capitol attack.

      The scope of the committee's request is expansive — pursuing documents from Sept. 1, 2020, two months before the election, to the present on the president’s communications with the groups like the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys — as the panel looks to compile a historical record of the run-up to the Capitol attack and then the aftermath.

      But there remains little legal advantage for Trump to cooperate with the committee as he already faces other civil and criminal legal battles in various jurisdictions, including over his family business in New York and the handling of presidential records at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.

      It’s possible his lawyers could simply run out the clock on the subpoena if they go to court to try to squash it as the committee is required to finish its work by the end of the year.

      “It seems improbable to me that this could be litigated to conclusion in the time remaining to the Committee in this Congress,” Peter Keisler, who served as acting attorney general under President George W. Bush, told The Associated Press.

      There is ample precedent for Congress to seek testimony from a former president. Over the past century and a half, at least six current and former presidents have testified on Capitol Hill, including John Tyler and Quincy Adams after both were subpoenaed in 1848.

      This could be Trump’s chance to respond directly to the committee, to tell his version of events, but it’s unlikely the defeated president would take it. He has ridiculed the panel and its work, preferring to share his views on his own terms. And testifying under oath could create legal exposure in the several other investigations he is caught up in.

      If Trump refuses to comply with the subpoena, the panel will have to weigh the practical and political implications of holding him in contempt of Congress.

      “That’s a bridge we cross if we have to get there,” Rep. Adam Kinzinger, a Republican member of the committee, told ABC on Sunday. “He’s made it clear he has nothing to hide, is what he says. So, he should come in.”

      If the full House voted to recommend a contempt charge against Trump, the Justice Department would then review the case and decide on any further steps.

      Other witnesses have faced legal consequences for defying the committee, including close Trump ally Steve Bannon, who was convicted of contempt in July and was sentenced Friday to four months behind bars. But holding a former president in contempt would be another matter.

      The subpoena to Trump comes as the committee is looking to wrap up its investigative work and compile a final, comprehensive report that will be published by the end of the year. Investigators have interviewed more than 1,000 witnesses, including many of Trump’s top White House aides, and obtained tens of thousands of pages of documents since the committee was formed in July 2021.

      But the panel is authorized only through this Congress, which ends on Jan. 3. That means members have only a few short months — amid a hectic lame-duck legislative period after the midterm elections — to refine their historical record of the worst attack on the Capitol in two centuries. Whether that will include the testimony from the 45th president of the United States remains to be seen.

      The committee ended its subpoena to Trump by quoting one of his predecessors: "President (Theodore) Roosevelt explained during his congressional testimony, ‘an ex-President is merely a citizen of the United States, like any other citizen, and it is his plain duty to try to help this committee or respond to its invitation.’”

      ___

      Associated Press writers Lisa Mascaro, Jill Colvin and Mark Sherman contributed to this report.

      ___

      Follow AP’s coverage of the Jan. 6 insurrection at https://apnews.com/hub/capitol-siege

      Follow AP’s Donald Trump-related investigations: https://apnews.com/hub/donald-trump


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      mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,357
      edited October 2022

       

      Mar-a-Lago classified papers held U.S. secrets about Iran and China

      Iran’s missile program, U.S. intelligence work aimed at China were among the most sensitive material seized by the FBI, people familiar with the matter say

      Updated October 21, 2022 at 4:41 p.m. EDT|Published October 21, 2022 at 11:00 a.m. EDT

      Some of the classified documents recovered by the FBI from Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home and private club included highly sensitive intelligence regarding Iran and China, according to people familiar with the matter. If shared with others, the people said, such information could expose intelligence-gathering methods that the United States wants to keep hidden from the world.

      At least one of the documents seized by the FBI describes Iran’s missile program, according to these people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe an ongoing investigation. Other documents described highly sensitive intelligence work aimed at China, they said.

      Unauthorized disclosures of specific information in the documents would pose multiple risks, experts say. People aiding U.S. intelligence efforts could be endangered, and collection methods could be compromised. In addition, other countries or U.S. adversaries could retaliate against the United States for actions it has taken in secret.


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      mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,042
      edited October 2022
      static111 said:
      mace1229 said:
      How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 

      It doesn't matter cuz gas prices. 

      Embrace fascism & authoritarianism cuz gas prices. 
      How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 
      But but but HUNTER!!!
      Correct on both posts! Russia can drop a nuke right in the center of Ukraine and MAGA idiots would applaud it! But yeah Genocide has nothing on gas prices here in land of freedumb! 
      Where do you get that? I get that your exaggerating, or at least assume you are, and they wouldn't actually applaud it.
      But I keep hearing people say MAGA supports Putin. But I haven't seen anyone support him, just saying its not our problem, not our war, etc. Not believe its worth the cost to us. They all would greatly fear a nuke being used.
      https://www.fox4news.com/news/cpac-crowd-members-briefly-wave-russian-flags-stamped-with-trump.amp
      Ok maybe you didn’t see it but I thought I’d point it out! It surely looks like they support Putin! 
      I question a couple things here.  The intelligence of the people that were waving the trump Russia flags, were they actually aware that these were Russian flags?  Two, who distributed the flags?  It would be easy for someone with a political motive to distribute those flags to a bunch of uneducated Trump supporters to make things look worse than they are.  Those people could have been thinking oh how nice a red white and blue trump flag for all we know.  It sounds like the organizers were collecting them and throwing out the people in possession of the flags, that doesn't sound like endorsing the behavior to me.  I'm sure this view makes me a "Putin Apologist"
      Ok let’s chalk it up to stupidity for his supporters! It still happened and if they could get away without any media finding out about this stunt they’d happily keep them! 
      When I read your post my thoughts were the same as static.
      It was supposedly a political prank. Doubtful they knew it was a Russian flag, just saw red white and blue with Trump on it. They look very tiny and I only see a few with them in the picture. They were quickly removed.
      Yes, it’s kind of funny and stupid on them at the same time. But, remember, this was your evidence that Trump supporters also support Putin and the war. I’m just not seeing any evidence of that.
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      Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,733
      mace1229 said:
      static111 said:
      mace1229 said:
      How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 

      It doesn't matter cuz gas prices. 

      Embrace fascism & authoritarianism cuz gas prices. 
      How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 
      But but but HUNTER!!!
      Correct on both posts! Russia can drop a nuke right in the center of Ukraine and MAGA idiots would applaud it! But yeah Genocide has nothing on gas prices here in land of freedumb! 
      Where do you get that? I get that your exaggerating, or at least assume you are, and they wouldn't actually applaud it.
      But I keep hearing people say MAGA supports Putin. But I haven't seen anyone support him, just saying its not our problem, not our war, etc. Not believe its worth the cost to us. They all would greatly fear a nuke being used.
      https://www.fox4news.com/news/cpac-crowd-members-briefly-wave-russian-flags-stamped-with-trump.amp
      Ok maybe you didn’t see it but I thought I’d point it out! It surely looks like they support Putin! 
      I question a couple things here.  The intelligence of the people that were waving the trump Russia flags, were they actually aware that these were Russian flags?  Two, who distributed the flags?  It would be easy for someone with a political motive to distribute those flags to a bunch of uneducated Trump supporters to make things look worse than they are.  Those people could have been thinking oh how nice a red white and blue trump flag for all we know.  It sounds like the organizers were collecting them and throwing out the people in possession of the flags, that doesn't sound like endorsing the behavior to me.  I'm sure this view makes me a "Putin Apologist"
      Ok let’s chalk it up to stupidity for his supporters! It still happened and if they could get away without any media finding out about this stunt they’d happily keep them! 
      When I read your post my thoughts were the same as static.
      It was supposedly a political prank. Doubtful they knew it was a Russian flag, just saw red white and blue with Trump on it. They look very tiny and I only see a few with them in the picture. They were quickly removed.
      Yes, it’s kind of funny and stupid on them at the same time. But, remember, this was your evidence that Trump supporters also support Putin and the war. I’m just not seeing any evidence of that.

      Magas are doing their typical talking out of both sides with this. Apparently Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine because he's so scared of Trump, and yet if Trump was president, he'd be taking a non-intervention, isolationist approach.
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      Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,227
      mace1229 said:
      static111 said:
      mace1229 said:
      How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 

      It doesn't matter cuz gas prices. 

      Embrace fascism & authoritarianism cuz gas prices. 
      How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 
      But but but HUNTER!!!
      Correct on both posts! Russia can drop a nuke right in the center of Ukraine and MAGA idiots would applaud it! But yeah Genocide has nothing on gas prices here in land of freedumb! 
      Where do you get that? I get that your exaggerating, or at least assume you are, and they wouldn't actually applaud it.
      But I keep hearing people say MAGA supports Putin. But I haven't seen anyone support him, just saying its not our problem, not our war, etc. Not believe its worth the cost to us. They all would greatly fear a nuke being used.
      https://www.fox4news.com/news/cpac-crowd-members-briefly-wave-russian-flags-stamped-with-trump.amp
      Ok maybe you didn’t see it but I thought I’d point it out! It surely looks like they support Putin! 
      I question a couple things here.  The intelligence of the people that were waving the trump Russia flags, were they actually aware that these were Russian flags?  Two, who distributed the flags?  It would be easy for someone with a political motive to distribute those flags to a bunch of uneducated Trump supporters to make things look worse than they are.  Those people could have been thinking oh how nice a red white and blue trump flag for all we know.  It sounds like the organizers were collecting them and throwing out the people in possession of the flags, that doesn't sound like endorsing the behavior to me.  I'm sure this view makes me a "Putin Apologist"
      Ok let’s chalk it up to stupidity for his supporters! It still happened and if they could get away without any media finding out about this stunt they’d happily keep them! 
      When I read your post my thoughts were the same as static.
      It was supposedly a political prank. Doubtful they knew it was a Russian flag, just saw red white and blue with Trump on it. They look very tiny and I only see a few with them in the picture. They were quickly removed.
      Yes, it’s kind of funny and stupid on them at the same time. But, remember, this was your evidence that Trump supporters also support Putin and the war. I’m just not seeing any evidence of that.

      The presumed Republican speaker (if the gop wins the house) has expressly stated he would be against funding Ukraine. So voting Republican in the midterms is not supporting Russia? 
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      mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,042
      mace1229 said:
      static111 said:
      mace1229 said:
      How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 

      It doesn't matter cuz gas prices. 

      Embrace fascism & authoritarianism cuz gas prices. 
      How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 
      But but but HUNTER!!!
      Correct on both posts! Russia can drop a nuke right in the center of Ukraine and MAGA idiots would applaud it! But yeah Genocide has nothing on gas prices here in land of freedumb! 
      Where do you get that? I get that your exaggerating, or at least assume you are, and they wouldn't actually applaud it.
      But I keep hearing people say MAGA supports Putin. But I haven't seen anyone support him, just saying its not our problem, not our war, etc. Not believe its worth the cost to us. They all would greatly fear a nuke being used.
      https://www.fox4news.com/news/cpac-crowd-members-briefly-wave-russian-flags-stamped-with-trump.amp
      Ok maybe you didn’t see it but I thought I’d point it out! It surely looks like they support Putin! 
      I question a couple things here.  The intelligence of the people that were waving the trump Russia flags, were they actually aware that these were Russian flags?  Two, who distributed the flags?  It would be easy for someone with a political motive to distribute those flags to a bunch of uneducated Trump supporters to make things look worse than they are.  Those people could have been thinking oh how nice a red white and blue trump flag for all we know.  It sounds like the organizers were collecting them and throwing out the people in possession of the flags, that doesn't sound like endorsing the behavior to me.  I'm sure this view makes me a "Putin Apologist"
      Ok let’s chalk it up to stupidity for his supporters! It still happened and if they could get away without any media finding out about this stunt they’d happily keep them! 
      When I read your post my thoughts were the same as static.
      It was supposedly a political prank. Doubtful they knew it was a Russian flag, just saw red white and blue with Trump on it. They look very tiny and I only see a few with them in the picture. They were quickly removed.
      Yes, it’s kind of funny and stupid on them at the same time. But, remember, this was your evidence that Trump supporters also support Putin and the war. I’m just not seeing any evidence of that.

      The presumed Republican speaker (if the gop wins the house) has expressly stated he would be against funding Ukraine. So voting Republican in the midterms is not supporting Russia? 
      There’s a difference between not providing support to Ukraine and supporting Putin. Did the Swiss support Hitler in WWII because they didn’t support the Allie’s?
      Their view isn’t pro Putin and his war, but it isn’t worth the cost to us. There’s a difference.
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      mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,357
      edited October 2022
      mace1229 said:
      mace1229 said:
      static111 said:
      mace1229 said:
      How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 

      It doesn't matter cuz gas prices. 

      Embrace fascism & authoritarianism cuz gas prices. 
      How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 
      But but but HUNTER!!!
      Correct on both posts! Russia can drop a nuke right in the center of Ukraine and MAGA idiots would applaud it! But yeah Genocide has nothing on gas prices here in land of freedumb! 
      Where do you get that? I get that your exaggerating, or at least assume you are, and they wouldn't actually applaud it.
      But I keep hearing people say MAGA supports Putin. But I haven't seen anyone support him, just saying its not our problem, not our war, etc. Not believe its worth the cost to us. They all would greatly fear a nuke being used.
      https://www.fox4news.com/news/cpac-crowd-members-briefly-wave-russian-flags-stamped-with-trump.amp
      Ok maybe you didn’t see it but I thought I’d point it out! It surely looks like they support Putin! 
      I question a couple things here.  The intelligence of the people that were waving the trump Russia flags, were they actually aware that these were Russian flags?  Two, who distributed the flags?  It would be easy for someone with a political motive to distribute those flags to a bunch of uneducated Trump supporters to make things look worse than they are.  Those people could have been thinking oh how nice a red white and blue trump flag for all we know.  It sounds like the organizers were collecting them and throwing out the people in possession of the flags, that doesn't sound like endorsing the behavior to me.  I'm sure this view makes me a "Putin Apologist"
      Ok let’s chalk it up to stupidity for his supporters! It still happened and if they could get away without any media finding out about this stunt they’d happily keep them! 
      When I read your post my thoughts were the same as static.
      It was supposedly a political prank. Doubtful they knew it was a Russian flag, just saw red white and blue with Trump on it. They look very tiny and I only see a few with them in the picture. They were quickly removed.
      Yes, it’s kind of funny and stupid on them at the same time. But, remember, this was your evidence that Trump supporters also support Putin and the war. I’m just not seeing any evidence of that.

      The presumed Republican speaker (if the gop wins the house) has expressly stated he would be against funding Ukraine. So voting Republican in the midterms is not supporting Russia? 
      There’s a difference between not providing support to Ukraine and supporting Putin. Did the Swiss support Hitler in WWII because they didn’t support the Allie’s?
      Their view isn’t pro Putin and his war, but it isn’t worth the cost to us. There’s a difference.

      the swiss readily accepting stolen cash, gold and silver deposits as well as storing stolen art from Jews sent to camps is absolutely support in the face of so called neutrality.

      to argue otherwise is disingenuous at best,   at worst a total fucking ________ argument .
      Post edited by Kat on
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      josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,457
      mace1229 said:
      mace1229 said:
      static111 said:
      mace1229 said:
      How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 

      It doesn't matter cuz gas prices. 

      Embrace fascism & authoritarianism cuz gas prices. 
      How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 
      But but but HUNTER!!!
      Correct on both posts! Russia can drop a nuke right in the center of Ukraine and MAGA idiots would applaud it! But yeah Genocide has nothing on gas prices here in land of freedumb! 
      Where do you get that? I get that your exaggerating, or at least assume you are, and they wouldn't actually applaud it.
      But I keep hearing people say MAGA supports Putin. But I haven't seen anyone support him, just saying its not our problem, not our war, etc. Not believe its worth the cost to us. They all would greatly fear a nuke being used.
      https://www.fox4news.com/news/cpac-crowd-members-briefly-wave-russian-flags-stamped-with-trump.amp
      Ok maybe you didn’t see it but I thought I’d point it out! It surely looks like they support Putin! 
      I question a couple things here.  The intelligence of the people that were waving the trump Russia flags, were they actually aware that these were Russian flags?  Two, who distributed the flags?  It would be easy for someone with a political motive to distribute those flags to a bunch of uneducated Trump supporters to make things look worse than they are.  Those people could have been thinking oh how nice a red white and blue trump flag for all we know.  It sounds like the organizers were collecting them and throwing out the people in possession of the flags, that doesn't sound like endorsing the behavior to me.  I'm sure this view makes me a "Putin Apologist"
      Ok let’s chalk it up to stupidity for his supporters! It still happened and if they could get away without any media finding out about this stunt they’d happily keep them! 
      When I read your post my thoughts were the same as static.
      It was supposedly a political prank. Doubtful they knew it was a Russian flag, just saw red white and blue with Trump on it. They look very tiny and I only see a few with them in the picture. They were quickly removed.
      Yes, it’s kind of funny and stupid on them at the same time. But, remember, this was your evidence that Trump supporters also support Putin and the war. I’m just not seeing any evidence of that.

      The presumed Republican speaker (if the gop wins the house) has expressly stated he would be against funding Ukraine. So voting Republican in the midterms is not supporting Russia? 
      There’s a difference between not providing support to Ukraine and supporting Putin. Did the Swiss support Hitler in WWII because they didn’t support the Allie’s?
      Their view isn’t pro Putin and his war, but it isn’t worth the cost to us. There’s a difference.
      I totally don’t agree with your take on it! As far as I see it Republicans leadership is on the side of Russia they haven’t expressed any outrage at what Putin is doing! 
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      mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,357

        
      Trump company set for criminal trial in off-books pay scheme
      By MICHAEL R. SISAK
      15 mins ago

      NEW YORK (AP) — More than three years after Manhattan prosecutors started investigating Donald Trump — after going to the Supreme Court twice to gain access to his tax records — the only criminal trial to arise from their efforts is about to begin.

      No, the former president isn’t going on trial. His company is.

      The Trump Organization, the holding company for Trump’s buildings, golf courses and other assets, is accused of helping some top executives avoid income taxes on compensation they got in addition to their salaries, like rent-free apartments and luxury cars.

      Trump signed some of the checks at the center of the case but he is not charged with anything and is not expected to testify or attend the trial, which starts Monday with jury selection.

      If convicted, the Trump Organization could be fined more than $1 million — but that's not the only potential fallout.

      Trump’s ardent supporters aren’t likely to abandon him, no matter the outcome, but a guilty verdict could hamper his company's ability to get loans and make deals. New York City, for one, could use the legal cloud as new justification for seeking to oust the company from running a city-owned golf course.

      Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, a Democrat, has said that his office’s investigation of Trump is “active and ongoing,” and that no final decision has been made on whether he could face criminal charges in the future.

      Trump, a Republican, has decried the probe as a “political witch hunt.”

      The Trump Organization has said it did nothing wrong and that it looks forward “to having our day in court.”

      Judge Juan Manuel Merchan expects the criminal tax fraud trial, heavy on financial records and expert testimony, to take at least four weeks once a jury is seated. Given Trump’s fame as a businessman and polarizing politician, it could take a while to find jurors who feel they can judge the case impartially.

      The star witness for the prosecution is expected to be Allen Weisselberg, one of Trump’s most trusted senior executives.

      Weisselberg pleaded guilty in August to taking in over $1.7 million worth of untaxed perks from the company, including school tuition for his grandchildren, a Manhattan apartment and Mercedes cars for him and his wife.

      His testimony comes as part of a plea agreement that requires him to serve up to five months in New York City’s Rikers Island jail complex, though he could be released after a little more than three with good behavior. The former Trump Organization chief financial officer must also pay nearly $2 million in taxes, penalties and interest and complete five years of probation.

      Weisselberg, 75, has intimate knowledge of the Trump Organization’s financial dealings from nearly five decades at the company, but he is not expected to implicate Trump or any members of the Trump family in his testimony.

      In pleading guilty, Weisselberg pinned blame for the scheme on himself and other top Trump Organization executives, including senior vice president and controller, Jeffrey McConney.

      McConney was granted limited immunity to testify last year before a grand jury and could also make an appearance on the witness stand at the trial. The company’s director of security, Matthew Calamari Jr., the son of chief operating officer Matthew Calamari Sr., also received immunity for grand jury testimony.

      When the Trump Organization and Weisselberg were indicted in 2021, prosecutors called the tax scheme “sweeping and audacious” and said it was “orchestrated by the most senior executives."

      Besides Weisselberg, two other Trump Organization executives, who were not identified by name, also received substantial under-the-table compensation, including lodging and the payment of automobile leases, the indictment said.

      “The purpose of the scheme was to compensate Weisselberg and other Trump Organization executives in a manner that was ‘off the books,’” the indictment said.

      The Trump Organization is the entity through which the former president manages his many ventures, including his real estate investments, his many marketing deals and his TV pursuits.

      Trump’s sons, Donald Jr. and Eric, have been in charge of day-to-day operations since he became president. Because the criminal trial involves charges against the corporate entity, not any individuals, the Trumps won't be held personally liable if a jury returns a guilty verdict.

      The criminal case is one of two legal cases working their way through the New York courts that threaten to chip away at the gold-plated façade of Trump’s empire.

      Last month, New York Attorney General Letitia James filed a civil lawsuit accusing Trump and the Trump Organization of misleading banks and others for years about the value of his assets. The civil suit seeks $250 million and a permanent ban on Trump doing business in the state.

      A court hearing is scheduled in that matter for Oct. 31 as James seeks an independent monitor to oversee the Trump Organization’s activities after she alleged the company was taking steps to dodge potential penalties, such as incorporating a new entity named Trump Organization II.

      Those aren't the only legal challenges Trump faces as he weighs a potential comeback campaign for president.

      Last week, Trump gave sworn deposition testimony in a lawsuit brought by magazine columnist E. Jean Carroll, who says he raped her in the mid-1990s in a department store dressing room.

      Meanwhile, the FBI is continuing to investigate Trump’s storage of sensitive government documents at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.

      A special grand jury in Georgia is investigating whether Trump and others attempted to influence state election officials.

      On Friday, the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection issued a subpoena to Trump.

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      Follow Michael Sisak on Twitter at twitter.com/mikesisak and send confidential tips by visiting https://www.ap.org/tips/.


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      josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,457
      Ah those republicans always flip flop, but still Trumpolinni quotes are part of history that can’t be erased.
      https://accountability.gop/ukraine-quotes/
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      Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,227
      edited October 2022
      mickeyrat said:
      mace1229 said:
      mace1229 said:
      static111 said:
      mace1229 said:
      How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 

      It doesn't matter cuz gas prices. 

      Embrace fascism & authoritarianism cuz gas prices. 
      How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 
      But but but HUNTER!!!
      Correct on both posts! Russia can drop a nuke right in the center of Ukraine and MAGA idiots would applaud it! But yeah Genocide has nothing on gas prices here in land of freedumb! 
      Where do you get that? I get that your exaggerating, or at least assume you are, and they wouldn't actually applaud it.
      But I keep hearing people say MAGA supports Putin. But I haven't seen anyone support him, just saying its not our problem, not our war, etc. Not believe its worth the cost to us. They all would greatly fear a nuke being used.
      https://www.fox4news.com/news/cpac-crowd-members-briefly-wave-russian-flags-stamped-with-trump.amp
      Ok maybe you didn’t see it but I thought I’d point it out! It surely looks like they support Putin! 
      I question a couple things here.  The intelligence of the people that were waving the trump Russia flags, were they actually aware that these were Russian flags?  Two, who distributed the flags?  It would be easy for someone with a political motive to distribute those flags to a bunch of uneducated Trump supporters to make things look worse than they are.  Those people could have been thinking oh how nice a red white and blue trump flag for all we know.  It sounds like the organizers were collecting them and throwing out the people in possession of the flags, that doesn't sound like endorsing the behavior to me.  I'm sure this view makes me a "Putin Apologist"
      Ok let’s chalk it up to stupidity for his supporters! It still happened and if they could get away without any media finding out about this stunt they’d happily keep them! 
      When I read your post my thoughts were the same as static.
      It was supposedly a political prank. Doubtful they knew it was a Russian flag, just saw red white and blue with Trump on it. They look very tiny and I only see a few with them in the picture. They were quickly removed.
      Yes, it’s kind of funny and stupid on them at the same time. But, remember, this was your evidence that Trump supporters also support Putin and the war. I’m just not seeing any evidence of that.

      The presumed Republican speaker (if the gop wins the house) has expressly stated he would be against funding Ukraine. So voting Republican in the midterms is not supporting Russia? 
      There’s a difference between not providing support to Ukraine and supporting Putin. Did the Swiss support Hitler in WWII because they didn’t support the Allie’s?
      Their view isn’t pro Putin and his war, but it isn’t worth the cost to us. There’s a difference.

      the swiss readily accepting stolen cash, gold and silver deposits as well as storing stolen art from Jews sent to camps is absolutely support in the face of so called neutrality.

      to argue otherwise is disingenuous at best,   at worst a total fucking _______ argument .


      That’s how the GOP gets votes. It should be apparent and obvious our tech and weaponry is what is holding Russia from full control of Ukraine. Yet they have their double talk that it isn’t worth the cost. 

      A vote for the GOP is a vote to pacify Putin. When is it worth the cost, when he sizes up the Baltics next? Poland? When? Every GOP candidate should be facing a full court press on this, instead the midterms are an absurd referendum on global inflation.
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      josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,457
      edited October 2022
      mickeyrat said:
      mace1229 said:
      mace1229 said:
      static111 said:
      mace1229 said:
      How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 

      It doesn't matter cuz gas prices. 

      Embrace fascism & authoritarianism cuz gas prices. 
      How much more will they let this menace continue to roam and spew his lies? If this was anyone else they’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trials! Why is this country do afraid of this idiot? 
      But but but HUNTER!!!
      Correct on both posts! Russia can drop a nuke right in the center of Ukraine and MAGA idiots would applaud it! But yeah Genocide has nothing on gas prices here in land of freedumb! 
      Where do you get that? I get that your exaggerating, or at least assume you are, and they wouldn't actually applaud it.
      But I keep hearing people say MAGA supports Putin. But I haven't seen anyone support him, just saying its not our problem, not our war, etc. Not believe its worth the cost to us. They all would greatly fear a nuke being used.
      https://www.fox4news.com/news/cpac-crowd-members-briefly-wave-russian-flags-stamped-with-trump.amp
      Ok maybe you didn’t see it but I thought I’d point it out! It surely looks like they support Putin! 
      I question a couple things here.  The intelligence of the people that were waving the trump Russia flags, were they actually aware that these were Russian flags?  Two, who distributed the flags?  It would be easy for someone with a political motive to distribute those flags to a bunch of uneducated Trump supporters to make things look worse than they are.  Those people could have been thinking oh how nice a red white and blue trump flag for all we know.  It sounds like the organizers were collecting them and throwing out the people in possession of the flags, that doesn't sound like endorsing the behavior to me.  I'm sure this view makes me a "Putin Apologist"
      Ok let’s chalk it up to stupidity for his supporters! It still happened and if they could get away without any media finding out about this stunt they’d happily keep them! 
      When I read your post my thoughts were the same as static.
      It was supposedly a political prank. Doubtful they knew it was a Russian flag, just saw red white and blue with Trump on it. They look very tiny and I only see a few with them in the picture. They were quickly removed.
      Yes, it’s kind of funny and stupid on them at the same time. But, remember, this was your evidence that Trump supporters also support Putin and the war. I’m just not seeing any evidence of that.

      The presumed Republican speaker (if the gop wins the house) has expressly stated he would be against funding Ukraine. So voting Republican in the midterms is not supporting Russia? 
      There’s a difference between not providing support to Ukraine and supporting Putin. Did the Swiss support Hitler in WWII because they didn’t support the Allie’s?
      Their view isn’t pro Putin and his war, but it isn’t worth the cost to us. There’s a difference.

      the swiss readily accepting stolen cash, gold and silver deposits as well as storing stolen art from Jews sent to camps is absolutely support in the face of so called neutrality.

      to argue otherwise is disingenuous at best,   at worst a total fucking _______ argument .


      That’s how the GOP gets votes. It should be apparent and obvious our tech and weaponry is what is holding Russia from full control of Ukraine. Yet they have their double talk that it isn’t worth the cost. 

      A vote for the GOP is a vote to pacify Putin. When is it worth the cost, when he sizes up the Baltics next? Poland? When? Every GOP candidate should be facing a full court press on this, instead the midterms are an absurd referendum on global inflation.
      Correct! For a big chunk of Americans they could careless what happens to Ukraine as long as gas prices fall below $3 a gallon 
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