Donald Trump

PJ_Soul

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

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Last night went about the way most of us expected it to go. 

Other than Florida, at least for me.  I thought the D's could put it off.  I guess I underestimated how powerful the cotton picking racists are in FL.  

Same, and I also thought maybe Texas would squeak by... it was close, but not close enough. Otherwise, it went the exact way I expected.

HughFreakingDillon

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

And if the Mueller issue does NOT lead to impeachment, i'm afraid 2020 may be a lock.

Democrats somehow let this guy become the "America First" candidate that is also "protecting the border" and therefore is protecting the country, meanwhile the democrats seem more eager to protect trans bathroom use people..... want a POTUS that protects them, protects the country, and puts America first. Elections really arent that complicated. Dems will fuck this up, I'm convinced of it. 

The dems don't have the numbers for impeachment.

My ears are wide open BS, i hear you... while the rest of my team screams at the TV and thinks everyone is racist evil scum. I'm listening brother, and some of what you've been saying for a while has merit.

If Trump was on the ballot yesterday, i'm fully convinced that he would have won. And fucking democrats would still be trying to figure out why

yep, everyone's an idiot and you know it all. 

yep, it's wednesday. 

No... I'm just a better listener than some apparently, and dont think name calling is an appropriate poltical strategy

I guess condescension is perfectly ok, though. 

The Juggler

mrussel1

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

And if the Mueller issue does NOT lead to impeachment, i'm afraid 2020 may be a lock.

Democrats somehow let this guy become the "America First" candidate that is also "protecting the border" and therefore is protecting the country, meanwhile the democrats seem more eager to protect trans bathroom use people..... want a POTUS that protects them, protects the country, and puts America first. Elections really arent that complicated. Dems will fuck this up, I'm convinced of it. 

The dems don't have the numbers for impeachment.

My ears are wide open BS, i hear you... while the rest of my team screams at the TV and thinks everyone is racist evil scum. I'm listening brother, and some of what you've been saying for a while has merit.

If Trump was on the ballot yesterday, i'm fully convinced that he would have won. And fucking democrats would still be trying to figure out why

yep, everyone's an idiot and you know it all. 

yep, it's wednesday. 

No... I'm just a better listener than some apparently, and dont think name calling is an appropriate poltical strategy

Trump has proved it's actually the best strategy... again, we must be proud.  

mrussel1

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

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Last night went about the way most of us expected it to go. 

Other than Florida, at least for me.  I thought the D's could put it off.  I guess I underestimated how powerful the cotton picking racists are in FL.  

Same, and I also thought maybe Texas would squeak by... it was close, but not close enough. Otherwise, it went the exact way I expected.

To me, TX was a dream.  It's still a few cycles away from being a reality.  The same is probably true for AZ; however, NV's time is here.  

Halifax2TheMax

Florida was disappointing but expected. Texas went as I thought it would although during the evening I thought there could be an upset. But its Texas, they deserve Ted Cruz. Gaining the House plus some governorships is enough for me. Let the investigations begin. And the political and economic landscape will be vastly different in 2020 than it was yesterday.

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

And if the Mueller issue does NOT lead to impeachment, i'm afraid 2020 may be a lock.

Democrats somehow let this guy become the "America First" candidate that is also "protecting the border" and therefore is protecting the country, meanwhile the democrats seem more eager to protect trans bathroom use people..... want a POTUS that protects them, protects the country, and puts America first. Elections really arent that complicated. Dems will fuck this up, I'm convinced of it. 

I believe you are misreading last night's results.  While FL is depressing, by and large everythign else was positive.  We learned:
1. Democratic votes substantially outpaced Republican
2. Midwest states appear to have flipped at some level back to blue, judging by the governorship changes in WI and MI.  Scott Walker losing was huge.  He was elected twice and survived a recall.
3. Women have heavily come over to Democrats
4. Aggressive HOR forecasts were in the 30 to 35 range pick up.  I think we are looking at 33/34.  That's pretty damn good.
5. The GOP is becoming an increasingly white, older and rural party.  Yet the country is becoming more urban, younger and diverse.  Demographics are destiny.  It's not overnight, but it's happening.  

The Senate map in 2020 is flipped.  Republicans have to defend far more seats, many of them in blue states.  

1) Not everywhere...certainly not Florida and certainly not Ohio to name a couple.
2) Scott Walker losing is big "ish". Nobody should really run a third time. It doesn't matter how successful you are...everyone has an expiry date. That being said this will be the most important state in 2020.
3) Not all women and not necessarily in the states where it matters
4) 33/34 is historical average for a president in first term which is a subpar performance based on the "Trump repudiation" the AMT was expecting...this repudiation didn't happen and conservatives surprisingly held strong in some seats and flipped a few other.
5) The urban/rural split is absolutely real but as always this is an electoral college game and not a popular vote game. 2020 election will completely boil down to Wisconsin and possibly Michigan...especially if John James is on the ballot again. No point for anybody to even campaign anywhere else. Progressive democrats lost last night while moderate dems won...the dems will need a candidate that can push turnout while not veering too far to the left...who that is remains to be seen.

The Senate map in 2020 is flipped but the GOP likely built the buffer they need to retain control. Doug Jones told me so.

1. I'm talking about nationwide, in totality.  Obviously if this was an individual state statement, the Dems would have won all senate seats.  
2. He lost no matter how you couch it.  The losses of governorship in MI and WI are critical.  Ohio is gone, period, as I mentioned in a different comment earlier.  Florida may be as well, for a few cycles.  
3. Really, not ALL women?  That's weird, I was sure every woman voted for a Democrat.  I'll have to check the numbers again.
4. Impressive that somehow you culled a monolithic statement from everyone in the AMT, as if that mattered.  My statement stands.  The aggressive forecast was in the mid 30's.  That was achieved.  So what if H2M or someone was shit talking and said 197 seats.  
5. Dems won.  Some were progressive, some were moderate.  Moderates will always pull more crossover, the risk is the 3rd party pulling away the extremes.  See the Arizona race as an example, obviously.  

I don't think you should be taking political commentary from Doug Jones.  He had a solid knuckle-curve, but you could never rely on him in clutch situations.  Any reliever topping out at 87 mph is a risk.  

This is just plain incorrect. There are places where Trump crushed it...there are places where he got beat. It is certainly not a repudiation of him or the GOP in any way shape or form. Too say he lost and the dems won is just silly. There are warning signs for both parties and at the end of the day the dems will need a candidate that will play strong in the rust belt to win in 2020.

dignin

The Juggler said:

^
Last night went about the way most of us expected it to go. 

Yup. It would have taken a miracle to win the senate given the map.

The midterms will be old news once Mueller starts dropping indictments and the house gets back to being a real check on this administration.

my2hands

2010... GOP gained 63 house seats... 6 senate seats... and 6 governorships 

Yesterday was cute, but far from a wave, of any color. Dont shoot the messenger. The fight is FAR from over

PJ_Soul

The Juggler said:

my2hands said:

You guys realize the Democrats got more votes in 2016 as well? 

Are you parroting BS, now, too? haha. 
Delve deeper into the numbers, fella. 

He must not realize that BS is also one of us unknowledgeable Canadians, lol.

The Juggler

my2hands said:

2010... GOP gained 63 house seats... 6 senate seats... and 6 governorships 

This is far from a wave of any color. Dont shoot the messenger. The fight is FAR from over

You understand the things were talking about regarding the math, right? Because it seems like it's either flying over your head or you're choosing to ignore....

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

And if the Mueller issue does NOT lead to impeachment, i'm afraid 2020 may be a lock.

Democrats somehow let this guy become the "America First" candidate that is also "protecting the border" and therefore is protecting the country, meanwhile the democrats seem more eager to protect trans bathroom use people..... want a POTUS that protects them, protects the country, and puts America first. Elections really arent that complicated. Dems will fuck this up, I'm convinced of it. 

I believe you are misreading last night's results.  While FL is depressing, by and large everythign else was positive.  We learned:
1. Democratic votes substantially outpaced Republican
2. Midwest states appear to have flipped at some level back to blue, judging by the governorship changes in WI and MI.  Scott Walker losing was huge.  He was elected twice and survived a recall.
3. Women have heavily come over to Democrats
4. Aggressive HOR forecasts were in the 30 to 35 range pick up.  I think we are looking at 33/34.  That's pretty damn good.
5. The GOP is becoming an increasingly white, older and rural party.  Yet the country is becoming more urban, younger and diverse.  Demographics are destiny.  It's not overnight, but it's happening.  

The Senate map in 2020 is flipped.  Republicans have to defend far more seats, many of them in blue states.  

1) Not everywhere...certainly not Florida and certainly not Ohio to name a couple.
2) Scott Walker losing is big "ish". Nobody should really run a third time. It doesn't matter how successful you are...everyone has an expiry date. That being said this will be the most important state in 2020.
3) Not all women and not necessarily in the states where it matters
4) 33/34 is historical average for a president in first term which is a subpar performance based on the "Trump repudiation" the AMT was expecting...this repudiation didn't happen and conservatives surprisingly held strong in some seats and flipped a few other.
5) The urban/rural split is absolutely real but as always this is an electoral college game and not a popular vote game. 2020 election will completely boil down to Wisconsin and possibly Michigan...especially if John James is on the ballot again. No point for anybody to even campaign anywhere else. Progressive democrats lost last night while moderate dems won...the dems will need a candidate that can push turnout while not veering too far to the left...who that is remains to be seen.

The Senate map in 2020 is flipped but the GOP likely built the buffer they need to retain control. Doug Jones told me so.

1. I'm talking about nationwide, in totality.  Obviously if this was an individual state statement, the Dems would have won all senate seats.  
2. He lost no matter how you couch it.  The losses of governorship in MI and WI are critical.  Ohio is gone, period, as I mentioned in a different comment earlier.  Florida may be as well, for a few cycles.  
3. Really, not ALL women?  That's weird, I was sure every woman voted for a Democrat.  I'll have to check the numbers again.
4. Impressive that somehow you culled a monolithic statement from everyone in the AMT, as if that mattered.  My statement stands.  The aggressive forecast was in the mid 30's.  That was achieved.  So what if H2M or someone was shit talking and said 197 seats.  
5. Dems won.  Some were progressive, some were moderate.  Moderates will always pull more crossover, the risk is the 3rd party pulling away the extremes.  See the Arizona race as an example, obviously.  

I don't think you should be taking political commentary from Doug Jones.  He had a solid knuckle-curve, but you could never rely on him in clutch situations.  Any reliever topping out at 87 mph is a risk.  

This is just plain incorrect. There are places where Trump crushed it...there are places where he got beat. It is certainly not a repudiation of him or the GOP in any way shape or form. Too say he lost and the dems won is just silly. There are warning signs for both parties and at the end of the day the dems will need a candidate that will play strong in the rust belt to win in 2020.

What specifically is just plain incorrect?  End of the day, the Democrats seized control of a branch.  That was the most important thing that could happen.  Everything else is secondary.  It matters little if the Senate number is -3 or -5.  Until you get to 60, it's minor around the edges.  Expanding the governorships is at least as important as moving the Senate number, which they did at +6.

The Juggler

dignin said:

The Juggler said:

^
Last night went about the way most of us expected it to go. 

Yup. It would have taken a miracle to win the senate given the map.

The midterms will be old news once Mueller starts dropping indictments and the house gets back to being a real check on this administration.

BUCKLE UP BUTTERCUP. 

Gonna be a wild ride and it starts SOON. 

The Juggler

Sessions being asked to resign.

dignin

my2hands said:

2010... GOP gained 63 house seats... 6 senate seats... and 6 governorships 

Yesterday was cute, but far from a wave, of any color. Dont shoot the messenger. The fight is FAR from over

It was called a crushing defeat for Obama back then and he still had control of the senate so I'm not really getting your point. And who said the fight was over captain?

But for your continued efforts I award you this...

PJ_Soul

Sessions just resigned at Trump's request.

mrussel1

dignin said:

my2hands said:

2010... GOP gained 63 house seats... 6 senate seats... and 6 governorships 

Yesterday was cute, but far from a wave, of any color. Dont shoot the messenger. The fight is FAR from over

It was called a crushing defeat for Obama back then and he still had control of the senate so I'm not really getting your point. And who said the fight was over captain?

But for your continued efforts I award you this...

Ha!!

mrussel1

PJ_Soul said:

Sessions just resigned at Trump's request.

After two years of being emasculated, he is fired.  Impressive.

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

You guys realize the Democrats got more votes in 2016 as well? 

Uh yeah... we do.  And do you realize the only time since 88 that an R had more votes than a D was in 2004.  And the gap between them  continues to widen.  What does that tell you?  Evidently you are drawing that Trump is more popular than Democrats, is that right?  Another perspective could be that the founders didn't trust democracy (hint, they didn't), so put this system in.  It doesn't mean that Trump is super duper popular, it means their strategy of dividing is working.  Good for him?  We must be proud.

Their strategy of dividing? Did we forget about "clinging to guns and religion", "you didn't build that", and "deplorables"? "Dividing" has cut both way for years...don't hate the playa hate the game.

Halifax2TheMax

And so it begins. Can’t wait for the AG confirmation hearings. “And can you tell the committee what crimes you would consider to reach the level of high crimes and misdemeanors, initiating impeachment proceedings? Take your time.”