Donald Trump

EdsonNascimento

tbergs said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Why is Trump tweeting that he was victorious?????
So he can lose the lower house but still win. How does American politics work??
Or is he deluded?

Because they held the Senate, although I hadn't seen any projections saying they would flip seats in Senate. Definitely some disappointing re-elections.

It's actually a HUGE (yes, pun intended) win for Trump.  The House was basically in line (or even a little low) with historical precedent.  He picked up seats in the Senate which is the more important side of the legislature. It's the one that approves judges, etc.  

In addition, it gives him someone to blame heading into 2020.  He couldn't have asked for a more perfect outcome.

If the House takes up an overly investigative bent, it will also play into his hands. Not saying he wins or loses in 2020, but he can still get most of what he wants done and have someone to play off of in his own re-election bid.

I also think this is the best outcome for all of us.  I prefer split control that puts the breaks on both sides. What some call grid lock, I'd call more moderate governing. It prevents either side from doing really dumb things (well, they'll still do really dumb things, but it can't be quite as one sided).

Once again, the framers have been proven genius. The 2 year turnover of the House, with a 6 year Senate run is perfectly timed with the 4 year Presidency. We get to turn the House over quickly (which has happened basically every time the new part takes over the Exec. while Senators only come up in a Presidential election every 2 terms (3 Presidential cycles, but they face 1 mid term and 1 Presidential each of THEIR cycles).

Smellyman

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Gern Blansten

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Why is Trump tweeting that he was victorious?????
So he can lose the lower house but still win. How does American politics work??
Or is he deluded?

It seems like someone must have been keeping him from his phone last night.  No way he could control himself to wait that long to tweet.

But yeah....he got beat last night.  Claiming victory for a few more seats in the Senate is ridiculous.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

What's disturbing about this is the now clear cut picture of the stout Republican faction of the US. I look at these results as positive for the Democrats, but this 'win' was won in the fourth quarter. This was a tight game and the Republican people have apparently not wavered one bit in their support for the asshole.

The US is in a worse state than I thought. Trump is a legitimate threat to win a second term. I also think a lot of people are closet Trumpsters. They know they'd look like a f**king loser pronouncing their loyalty... so they don't. But with the cardboard partition hiding their tick of the box... they vote for their guy and later wonder aloud, "I can't believe it!"

A positive result for sure considering the alternative. But hardly something to sit back, exhale, and smoke a cigar over.

my2hands

And if the Mueller issue does NOT lead to impeachment, i'm afraid 2020 may be a lock.

Democrats somehow let this guy become the "America First" candidate that is also "protecting the border" and therefore is protecting the country, meanwhile the democrats seem more eager to protect trans bathroom use people..... want a POTUS that protects them, protects the country, and puts America first. Elections really arent that complicated. Dems will fuck this up, I'm convinced of it. 

eddiec

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

What's disturbing about this is the now clear cut picture of the stout Republican faction of the US. I look at these results as positive for the Democrats, but this 'win' was won in the fourth quarter. This was a tight game and the Republican people have apparently not wavered one bit in their support for the asshole.

The US is in a worse state than I thought. Trump is a legitimate threat to win a second term. I also think a lot of people are closet Trumpsters. They know they'd look like a f**king loser pronouncing their loyalty... so they don't. But with the cardboard partition hiding their tick of the box... they vote for their guy and later wonder aloud, "I can't believe it!"

A positive result for sure considering the alternative. But hardly something to sit back, exhale, and smoke a cigar over.

This bodes well for Trump. Half of America is insular and ignorant. Even worse, they are proud to be.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

my2hands said:

And if the Mueller issue does NOT lead to impeachment, i'm afraid 2020 may be a lock.

Democrats somehow let this guy become the "America First" candidate that is also "protecting the border" and therefore is protecting the country, meanwhile the democrats seem more eager to protect trans bathroom use people..... want a POTUS that protects them, protects the country, and puts America first. Elections really arent that complicated. Dems will fuck this up, I'm convinced of it. 

It needs to get worse before it gets better.

MayDay10

Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania, as well as many other states all swung away from Trump.  Dems had a 9 point advantage Nationally.  

mrussel1

my2hands said:

And if the Mueller issue does NOT lead to impeachment, i'm afraid 2020 may be a lock.

Democrats somehow let this guy become the "America First" candidate that is also "protecting the border" and therefore is protecting the country, meanwhile the democrats seem more eager to protect trans bathroom use people..... want a POTUS that protects them, protects the country, and puts America first. Elections really arent that complicated. Dems will fuck this up, I'm convinced of it. 

I believe you are misreading last night's results.  While FL is depressing, by and large everythign else was positive.  We learned:
1. Democratic votes substantially outpaced Republican
2. Midwest states appear to have flipped at some level back to blue, judging by the governorship changes in WI and MI.  Scott Walker losing was huge.  He was elected twice and survived a recall.
3. Women have heavily come over to Democrats
4. Aggressive HOR forecasts were in the 30 to 35 range pick up.  I think we are looking at 33/34.  That's pretty damn good.
5. The GOP is becoming an increasingly white, older and rural party.  Yet the country is becoming more urban, younger and diverse.  Demographics are destiny.  It's not overnight, but it's happening.  

The Senate map in 2020 is flipped.  Republicans have to defend far more seats, many of them in blue states.  

Halifax2TheMax

my2hands said:

And if the Mueller issue does NOT lead to impeachment, i'm afraid 2020 may be a lock.

Democrats somehow let this guy become the "America First" candidate that is also "protecting the border" and therefore is protecting the country, meanwhile the democrats seem more eager to protect trans bathroom use people..... want a POTUS that protects them, protects the country, and puts America first. Elections really arent that complicated. Dems will fuck this up, I'm convinced of it. 

Wait until the economy corrects and the recession hits, like in Kansas. And Team Trump Treason will blame Hillary.

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

my2hands said:

And if the Mueller issue does NOT lead to impeachment, i'm afraid 2020 may be a lock.

Democrats somehow let this guy become the "America First" candidate that is also "protecting the border" and therefore is protecting the country, meanwhile the democrats seem more eager to protect trans bathroom use people..... want a POTUS that protects them, protects the country, and puts America first. Elections really arent that complicated. Dems will fuck this up, I'm convinced of it. 

Wait until the economy corrects and the recession hits, like in Kansas. And Team Trump Treason will blame Hillary.

Excellent point.  This all happened in a boom economy.  We will absolutely be shedding jobs in two years.  History tells us it must happen. 
Here's what I'm worried about...Trump will recognize soon enough how Bush gained seats in 2002.  It was 9/11 and war.  Is he that cynical and callous?  Probably... 

EdsonNascimento

Halifax2TheMax said:

my2hands said:

And if the Mueller issue does NOT lead to impeachment, i'm afraid 2020 may be a lock.

Democrats somehow let this guy become the "America First" candidate that is also "protecting the border" and therefore is protecting the country, meanwhile the democrats seem more eager to protect trans bathroom use people..... want a POTUS that protects them, protects the country, and puts America first. Elections really arent that complicated. Dems will fuck this up, I'm convinced of it. 

Wait until the economy corrects and the recession hits, like in Kansas. And Team Trump Treason will blame Hillary.

Ultimately, this is what the next election will be decided on. If the economy keeps humming along as it is, Trump will win. If another recession hits and is timed around the summer of 2020, he will lose.  If it comes next year, and there is time for recovery (and it actually happens), he will most likely win.  If it dips and never returns, he will definitely lose.  All the rest of what the arrogant talk about is irrelevant.

ikiT

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

my2hands said:

And if the Mueller issue does NOT lead to impeachment, i'm afraid 2020 may be a lock.

Democrats somehow let this guy become the "America First" candidate that is also "protecting the border" and therefore is protecting the country, meanwhile the democrats seem more eager to protect trans bathroom use people..... want a POTUS that protects them, protects the country, and puts America first. Elections really arent that complicated. Dems will fuck this up, I'm convinced of it. 

Wait until the economy corrects and the recession hits, like in Kansas. And Team Trump Treason will blame Hillary.

Excellent point.  This all happened in a boom economy.  We will absolutely be shedding jobs in two years.  History tells us it must happen. 
Here's what I'm worried about...Trump will recognize soon enough how Bush gained seats in 2002.  It was 9/11 and war.  Is he that cynical and callous?  Probably... 

He doesn't understand how things actually work.  Tarriffs...pftt what an idiot.

OnWis97

While the Senate was a win for Trump, it is worth remembering that the Senate was set up very badly for the Dems.  They were playing defense, sometimes in deep red states.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

my2hands said:

And if the Mueller issue does NOT lead to impeachment, i'm afraid 2020 may be a lock.

Democrats somehow let this guy become the "America First" candidate that is also "protecting the border" and therefore is protecting the country, meanwhile the democrats seem more eager to protect trans bathroom use people..... want a POTUS that protects them, protects the country, and puts America first. Elections really arent that complicated. Dems will fuck this up, I'm convinced of it. 

Wait until the economy corrects and the recession hits, like in Kansas. And Team Trump Treason will blame Hillary.

Excellent point.  This all happened in a boom economy.  We will absolutely be shedding jobs in two years.  History tells us it must happen. 
Here's what I'm worried about...Trump will recognize soon enough how Bush gained seats in 2002.  It was 9/11 and war.  Is he that cynical and callous?  Probably... 

But here's the thing... Trump has his war now too: the border war. He's already deployed troops to the border ready to combat the great caravan. The caravan will take a while, but he's getting ready for his 'signature war' that will distinguish his legacy nonetheless.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

The great border war.

Hahahahahahaaha

F**k he's an idiot.

The Juggler

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

And if the Mueller issue does NOT lead to impeachment, i'm afraid 2020 may be a lock.

Democrats somehow let this guy become the "America First" candidate that is also "protecting the border" and therefore is protecting the country, meanwhile the democrats seem more eager to protect trans bathroom use people..... want a POTUS that protects them, protects the country, and puts America first. Elections really arent that complicated. Dems will fuck this up, I'm convinced of it. 

I believe you are misreading last night's results.  While FL is depressing, by and large everythign else was positive.  We learned:
1. Democratic votes substantially outpaced Republican
2. Midwest states appear to have flipped at some level back to blue, judging by the governorship changes in WI and MI.  Scott Walker losing was huge.  He was elected twice and survived a recall.
3. Women have heavily come over to Democrats
4. Aggressive HOR forecasts were in the 30 to 35 range pick up.  I think we are looking at 33/34.  That's pretty damn good.
5. The GOP is becoming an increasingly white, older and rural party.  Yet the country is becoming more urban, younger and diverse.  Demographics are destiny.  It's not overnight, but it's happening.  

The Senate map in 2020 is flipped.  Republicans have to defend far more seats, many of them in blue states.  

Yeah.

The republicans are hemorrhaging votes from women, suburbanites, independents and minorities. Basing your long term success on uneducated white males is a losing strategy for them....shouldn't this be obvious to everyone looking at this objectively?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

And if the Mueller issue does NOT lead to impeachment, i'm afraid 2020 may be a lock.

Democrats somehow let this guy become the "America First" candidate that is also "protecting the border" and therefore is protecting the country, meanwhile the democrats seem more eager to protect trans bathroom use people..... want a POTUS that protects them, protects the country, and puts America first. Elections really arent that complicated. Dems will fuck this up, I'm convinced of it. 

I believe you are misreading last night's results.  While FL is depressing, by and large everythign else was positive.  We learned:
1. Democratic votes substantially outpaced Republican
2. Midwest states appear to have flipped at some level back to blue, judging by the governorship changes in WI and MI.  Scott Walker losing was huge.  He was elected twice and survived a recall.
3. Women have heavily come over to Democrats
4. Aggressive HOR forecasts were in the 30 to 35 range pick up.  I think we are looking at 33/34.  That's pretty damn good.
5. The GOP is becoming an increasingly white, older and rural party.  Yet the country is becoming more urban, younger and diverse.  Demographics are destiny.  It's not overnight, but it's happening.  

The Senate map in 2020 is flipped.  Republicans have to defend far more seats, many of them in blue states.  

This is the post I needed for perspective!

I hope you are right.

Halifax2TheMax

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

my2hands said:

And if the Mueller issue does NOT lead to impeachment, i'm afraid 2020 may be a lock.

Democrats somehow let this guy become the "America First" candidate that is also "protecting the border" and therefore is protecting the country, meanwhile the democrats seem more eager to protect trans bathroom use people..... want a POTUS that protects them, protects the country, and puts America first. Elections really arent that complicated. Dems will fuck this up, I'm convinced of it. 

Wait until the economy corrects and the recession hits, like in Kansas. And Team Trump Treason will blame Hillary.

Excellent point.  This all happened in a boom economy.  We will absolutely be shedding jobs in two years.  History tells us it must happen. 
Here's what I'm worried about...Trump will recognize soon enough how Bush gained seats in 2002.  It was 9/11 and war.  Is he that cynical and callous?  Probably... 

But here's the thing... Trump has his war now too: the border war. He's already deployed troops to the border ready to combat the great caravan. The caravan will take a while, but he's getting ready for his 'signature war' that will distinguish his legacy nonetheless.

Which member of the JCOS will follow Team Trump Treason to war?

MayDay10

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

And if the Mueller issue does NOT lead to impeachment, i'm afraid 2020 may be a lock.

Democrats somehow let this guy become the "America First" candidate that is also "protecting the border" and therefore is protecting the country, meanwhile the democrats seem more eager to protect trans bathroom use people..... want a POTUS that protects them, protects the country, and puts America first. Elections really arent that complicated. Dems will fuck this up, I'm convinced of it. 

I believe you are misreading last night's results.  While FL is depressing, by and large everythign else was positive.  We learned:
1. Democratic votes substantially outpaced Republican
2. Midwest states appear to have flipped at some level back to blue, judging by the governorship changes in WI and MI.  Scott Walker losing was huge.  He was elected twice and survived a recall.
3. Women have heavily come over to Democrats
4. Aggressive HOR forecasts were in the 30 to 35 range pick up.  I think we are looking at 33/34.  That's pretty damn good.
5. The GOP is becoming an increasingly white, older and rural party.  Yet the country is becoming more urban, younger and diverse.  Demographics are destiny.  It's not overnight, but it's happening.  

The Senate map in 2020 is flipped.  Republicans have to defend far more seats, many of them in blue states.  

Yeah.

The republicans are hemorrhaging votes from women, suburbanites, independents and minorities. Basing your long term success on uneducated white males is a losing strategy for them....shouldn't this be obvious to everyone looking at this objectively?

making college unaffordable = Republicanz 4 lyfe