Oil, name something .....

Go Beavers

Godfather. said:

Kat said:

The main reason so many things are involved with oil is because of the efforts by the oil industry to stifle innovation with other sources of energy. I'm in favor of solar energy and, if the people who create/invent/pursue this source of energy were encouraged, supported and given the funding they need to explore ways to make using it safe and easy on the environment were allowed to do those things, eventually, we'd all be better off and oil would go the way of dirty coal. Sorry for the long sentence; I'd just like to see our government encourage solar development the way President Kennedy did about space exploration. Think of the amazing things that could come of it.

Oil has had its turn. It's time for a transition to something else, something cleaner, something better.

I've never seen anything to prove that BUT I agree with you, solar has been to slow in coming and it's research has been limited to private
companies and individuals that I know of....didn't NASA use solar power on the moon and Mars for equipment ? ummmmmm

Panels go on pretty much everything that nasa puts out there.

Godfather.

brianlux said:

Go Beavers said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Kat said:

The main reason so many things are involved with oil is because of the efforts by the oil industry to stifle innovation with other sources of energy. I'm in favor of solar energy and, if the people who create/invent/pursue this source of energy were encouraged, supported and given the funding they need to explore ways to make using it safe and easy on the environment were allowed to do those things, eventually, we'd all be better off and oil would go the way of dirty coal. Sorry for the long sentence; I'd just like to see our government encourage solar development the way President Kennedy did about space exploration. Think of the amazing things that could come of it.

Oil has had its turn. It's time for a transition to something else, something cleaner, something better.

Been asking this since I was a child: Why isn't the roof on every house made up of solar panels?

No one controls the flow of the suns rays, therefore no one can make money from the flow.

Here, in California at least, our electric company, PG&E does make money off of solar. In fact, unless you are totally off grid, you have to have your solar connected through PG&E and they have to be the ones to turn the system on.

But, yes, solar seems to be controlled and discourage in some ways. I'm not sure if it's just this state or nation wide but I'm told a tax break that was given for installing solar ended recently so fewer people are going that way.

It also bears considering that all of the alternatives together cannot match the energy output we've seen for the last 150 years with oil. I don't have the figure or facts on hand to prove that, but through a lot of reading on the subject, that's my understanding. For example, it takes oil and oil energy to produce solar panels and those panels wear out and need to be replaced. I'm not saying we shouldn't go that way or pursue other alternatives- obviously I would say, "Yes!" But there are other factors to be considered, especially reduced population and reduced consumption.

I believe PG&E and SDG&E / Sempra Energies / Duke Energies may be all tied together, yes they are putting up wind farms in the desert
and running power cables as far as San Diego that I know of.
they are dumping millions upon millions of dollars into the solar panels as well.

HughFreakingDillon

leave oil to the things that can only be made with it, and use renewables for everything else. But no, we have president saying he doesn't like wind power because "the turbines are big and ugly".

HughFreakingDillon

we should have gone to electric cars decades ago. solar power decades ago. humans are too slow to change. we don't adapt well. even in the face of catastrophe that everyone wants to believe the next generation will deal with.

Kat

Godfather. said:

Kat said:

The main reason so many things are involved with oil is because of the efforts by the oil industry to stifle innovation with other sources of energy. I'm in favor of solar energy and, if the people who create/invent/pursue this source of energy were encouraged, supported and given the funding they need to explore ways to make using it safe and easy on the environment were allowed to do those things, eventually, we'd all be better off and oil would go the way of dirty coal. Sorry for the long sentence; I'd just like to see our government encourage solar development the way President Kennedy did about space exploration. Think of the amazing things that could come of it.

Oil has had its turn. It's time for a transition to something else, something cleaner, something better.

I've never seen anything to prove that BUT I agree with you, solar has been to slow in coming and it's research has been limited to private
companies and individuals that I know of....didn't NASA use solar power on the moon and Mars for equipment ? ummmmmm

I don't think oil would ever be completely replaced but it's going to take decades for the transition to a major use of solar, if that's the way we go with another energy. There will be all kinds of things to transition...jobs, education, infrastructure and more. It's mind-boggling but we have to move on it in a major way if we're going to get there. Also, think of all the things that came from space exploration...they weren't just for space. Here's an old article with a list.

http://kearth101.cbslocal.com/2011/07/21/list-stuff-we-use-everyday-that-was-invented-from-the-space-program/

We need leaders to push us into the future... not back to the past.

PJ_Soul

rgambs said:

Godfather. said:

is there any man made product that has no ties to oil ? if you can think of one please post it here.

Your whole line of thinking on this is backwards, we need renewable energy sources precisely BECAUSE oil is so crucial to making plastics and manufacturing. If we burn up all the oil trying to power our vehicles, homes, and power grid, we will be in sore shape when it comes to everything else about modern life.

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon said:

we should have gone to electric cars decades ago. solar power decades ago. humans are too slow to change. we don't adapt well. even in the face of catastrophe that everyone wants to believe the next generation will deal with.

I believe the generations to come will do great things in solar and wind power, it's just not happening as fast we need it.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

leave oil to the things that can only be made with it, and use renewables for everything else. But no, we have president saying he doesn't like wind power because "the turbines are big and ugly".

Like Trump should be talking about things that are big and ugly, I'm mean fuck.

PJ_Soul

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Kat said:

The main reason so many things are involved with oil is because of the efforts by the oil industry to stifle innovation with other sources of energy. I'm in favor of solar energy and, if the people who create/invent/pursue this source of energy were encouraged, supported and given the funding they need to explore ways to make using it safe and easy on the environment were allowed to do those things, eventually, we'd all be better off and oil would go the way of dirty coal. Sorry for the long sentence; I'd just like to see our government encourage solar development the way President Kennedy did about space exploration. Think of the amazing things that could come of it.

Oil has had its turn. It's time for a transition to something else, something cleaner, something better.

I've never seen anything to prove that BUT I agree with you, solar has been to slow in coming and it's research has been limited to private
companies and individuals that I know of....didn't NASA use solar power on the moon and Mars for equipment ? ummmmmm

Panels go on pretty much everything that nasa puts out there.

Most of western Europe is way ahead of North America with renewable energy. They are already starting to build road ways and bike paths and stuff with solar panels. China is also starting to lead the way with solar power. They doubled their solar capacity just in 2016 and plan on increasing that each year (even though they have so much to make up for and so much polluting to try and stop, we can't say they're anywhere close to really slowing or stopping the heinous damage the country is doing to the world yet, but still...). There is so much space in this world where solar panels could go, but North Americans are so behind the times because they and their governments are still controlled by oil companies. Any North American efforts towards alternative energy sources and growing that sector (and all that involves) in our neck of the woods are not even lackluster at best. I think the correct term would be pathetic.

HesCalledDyer

HughFreakingDillon said:

leave oil to the things that can only be made with it, and use renewables for everything else. But no, we have president saying he doesn't like wind power because "the turbines are big and ugly".

So that's where the term originated...
big + ugly = bigly

We had a big stink locally about 10-12 years ago when they started putting up windmills on the mountain ridges. Mostly from old people complaining that it was an eyesore and a disgrace to nature. Funny how they've all stared at the electric lines spanning those same mountains for the last 130 years and couldn't seem to be bothered by it.

HughFreakingDillon

HesCalledDyer said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

leave oil to the things that can only be made with it, and use renewables for everything else. But no, we have president saying he doesn't like wind power because "the turbines are big and ugly".

So that's where the term originated...
big + ugly = bigly

We had a big stink locally about 10-12 years ago when they started putting up windmills on the mountain ridges. Mostly from old people complaining that it was an eyesore and a disgrace to nature. Funny how they've all stared at the electric lines spanning those same mountains for the last 130 years and couldn't seem to be bothered by it.

funny, when I typed "big and ugly", I made the exact same connection to "bigly" that you did!

HughFreakingDillon

it's a constant fight to just get dedicated bike lanes in Winnipeg. the sheer amount of hate from the general public towards cyclists is incredible.

josevolution

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/trump-u-s-may-get-another-chance-to-take-iraqi-oil.html

Don't worry GF president bafoon will make sure we have enough oil for all of us ...

josevolution

http://amp.usatoday.com/story/93447830/
We can always just keep on doing this ...

PJ_Soul

HesCalledDyer said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

leave oil to the things that can only be made with it, and use renewables for everything else. But no, we have president saying he doesn't like wind power because "the turbines are big and ugly".

So that's where the term originated...
big + ugly = bigly

We had a big stink locally about 10-12 years ago when they started putting up windmills on the mountain ridges. Mostly from old people complaining that it was an eyesore and a disgrace to nature. Funny how they've all stared at the electric lines spanning those same mountains for the last 130 years and couldn't seem to be bothered by it.

Old people hate change.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's a constant fight to just get dedicated bike lanes in Winnipeg. the sheer amount of hate from the general public towards cyclists is incredible.

Hahaha. This made me giggle just because Vancouver's mayor (aka Mayor Moonbeam, lol) is weirdly obsessed with bike lanes and people are always complaining about it because it's so overboard. Even in all our unusual snowstorms this winter, when Vancouver is not really equipped for that much snow removal, bike lanes were getting cleared while sidewalks and roads weren't.

HesCalledDyer

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's a constant fight to just get dedicated bike lanes in Winnipeg. the sheer amount of hate from the general public towards cyclists is incredible.

Preaching to the choir. I gave up road cycling for fear of serious injury or worse, losing my damn life. It's pretty ridiculous how many times people actually TRIED to hit me on my bike. Though almost all can be avoided, accidents will happen. It's a risk you take when you get on a bike or in a vehicle. But to purposely aim for cyclists is just downright sickening. You wouldn't do it to a pedestrian on foot, wtf do you have against a bicycle?
I've found when talking to some of these motorists who have this sense of entitlement to the road and blind hatred for cyclists usually have an ignorance of motor vehicle laws. A bicycle IS a motor vehicle and therefore must be ridden on the road, not the sidewalk. That said, cyclists also have to abide by the laws of traffic. I've had the misfortune of knowing a few smug cyclists who also think the rules of the road don't apply to them, and it pisses me off that those types give the rest of us responsible cyclists a bad rap.
But still, the bottom line is if you see a cyclist on the road, it takes zero to little effort to heed caution and NOT be a dick.

HughFreakingDillon

HesCalledDyer said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's a constant fight to just get dedicated bike lanes in Winnipeg. the sheer amount of hate from the general public towards cyclists is incredible.

Preaching to the choir. I gave up road cycling for fear of serious injury or worse, losing my damn life. It's pretty ridiculous how many times people actually TRIED to hit me on my bike. Though almost all can be avoided, accidents will happen. It's a risk you take when you get on a bike or in a vehicle. But to purposely aim for cyclists is just downright sickening. You wouldn't do it to a pedestrian on foot, wtf do you have against a bicycle?
I've found when talking to some of these motorists who have this sense of entitlement to the road and blind hatred for cyclists usually have an ignorance of motor vehicle laws. A bicycle IS a motor vehicle and therefore must be ridden on the road, not the sidewalk. That said, cyclists also have to abide by the laws of traffic. I've had the misfortune of knowing a few smug cyclists who also think the rules of the road don't apply to them, and it pisses me off that those types give the rest of us responsible cyclists a bad rap.
But still, the bottom line is if you see a cyclist on the road, it takes zero to little effort to heed caution and NOT be a dick.

yes, I see all too often cyclists that will decide a red light is an inconvenience and switch to the sidewalk to cross with the pedestrians while still riding. or just blow through every stop sign. not long ago there was a bike in the bus/bike lane. he was in the middle of the lane. he has every right to be there. a car behind him (who was there legally, as he was turning), wouldn't lay off the horn at the cyclist, I presume because he was in the middle of the lane, not by the curb.

recently they redid some of the road divider paint to make the car lines a tad smaller and add a cycling lane. does nothing. cars don't give a shit. or they just don't know. either way, cycling isn't going away. I see more and more people even doing it in the winter here. now that's dedication.

CM189191

HughFreakingDillon said:

HesCalledDyer said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's a constant fight to just get dedicated bike lanes in Winnipeg. the sheer amount of hate from the general public towards cyclists is incredible.

Preaching to the choir. I gave up road cycling for fear of serious injury or worse, losing my damn life. It's pretty ridiculous how many times people actually TRIED to hit me on my bike. Though almost all can be avoided, accidents will happen. It's a risk you take when you get on a bike or in a vehicle. But to purposely aim for cyclists is just downright sickening. You wouldn't do it to a pedestrian on foot, wtf do you have against a bicycle?
I've found when talking to some of these motorists who have this sense of entitlement to the road and blind hatred for cyclists usually have an ignorance of motor vehicle laws. A bicycle IS a motor vehicle and therefore must be ridden on the road, not the sidewalk. That said, cyclists also have to abide by the laws of traffic. I've had the misfortune of knowing a few smug cyclists who also think the rules of the road don't apply to them, and it pisses me off that those types give the rest of us responsible cyclists a bad rap.
But still, the bottom line is if you see a cyclist on the road, it takes zero to little effort to heed caution and NOT be a dick.

yes, I see all too often cyclists that will decide a red light is an inconvenience and switch to the sidewalk to cross with the pedestrians while still riding. or just blow through every stop sign. not long ago there was a bike in the bus/bike lane. he was in the middle of the lane. he has every right to be there. a car behind him (who was there legally, as he was turning), wouldn't lay off the horn at the cyclist, I presume because he was in the middle of the lane, not by the curb.

recently they redid some of the road divider paint to make the car lines a tad smaller and add a cycling lane. does nothing. cars don't give a shit. or they just don't know. either way, cycling isn't going away. I see more and more people even doing it in the winter here. now that's dedication.

Witness the glory of protected bike lanes - 35 miles in Minneapolis and growing



And that doesn't include Minneapolis Grand Rounds, nearly 40 miles of dedicated bike paths



Suck it Portland

Go Beavers

I'm liking all the bike talk. I've ridden every day for years in four Oregon cities, all with pluses and minuses. I hear good things about Minneapolis. Getting decent infrastructure always seems like a battle, and I agree, the most dangerous ones are the entitled drivers who are also ignorant of the law. I've never been hit, and I l've talked with drivers after some close calls. The ones that weren't paying attention are apologetic, the ones trying to intimidate backpedal pretty quickly when they're outside of their vehicle. It seems like a lot of California drivers don't have any idea how to drive with cyclists on the road.