60K Raised for Planned Parenthood.

rgambs

drakeheuer14 said:

Bentleyspop said:

drakeheuer14 said:

One abortion is one too many.

Im not against PP as a whole, they do offer a lot of great services.

End abortion, not life.

Abortions will never go away
Legal healthy abortions maybe
But never abortions

And I think education on options needs to be increased without girls/women thinking (maybe even hoping) thats the only way.

My Dad would not be here today (neither would I) if his birth mother, who was 16 at the time, did not decide to go through with the pregnancy knowing she would put him up for adoption immediately. That takes a lot of courage and strength at that age to go through and I wish that many many more people would decide to go with that option. Even if my dad would have been put in an orphanage, at least he still would have had the chance to live and marry and have me and be the great man he is.

I will never be able to comprehend that there is an option to purposefully kill a human life developing inside of you. You can get into all of the development stages and say it isnt technically a baby and all of that at certain stages as much as you want, but the fact of the matter is, there is a baby developing inside of you that deserves every chance in the world to live.

Sure, as long as "you", ie someone else, is willing to sacrifice of themselves to create and sustain that baby.

drakeheuer14

"Sure, as long as "you", ie someone else, is willing to sacrifice of themselves to create and sustain that baby"

I fully intend to adopt. And I wish more people would be open to it to. Usually the response to not adopting is it is too expensive. That should be fixed.


Edit - if it is inconclvenient to you from a monetary standpoint, it is cool to kill a baby?

rgambs

drakeheuer14 said:

"Sure, as long as "you", ie someone else, is willing to sacrifice of themselves to create and sustain that baby"

I fully intend to adopt. And I wish more people would be open to it to. Usually the response to not adopting is it is too expensive. That should be fixed.


Edit - if it is inconclvenient to you from a monetary standpoint, it is cool to kill a baby?

If it is inconvenient to you to understand embryology, should you have an opinion on the matter?

drakeheuer14

rgambs said:

drakeheuer14 said:

"Sure, as long as "you", ie someone else, is willing to sacrifice of themselves to create and sustain that baby"

I fully intend to adopt. And I wish more people would be open to it to. Usually the response to not adopting is it is too expensive. That should be fixed.


Edit - if it is inconclvenient to you from a monetary standpoint, it is cool to kill a baby?

If it is inconvenient to you to understand embryology, should you have an opinion on the matter?

What makes you think I dont understand it?

Because I am pro-life I dont understand science? I acknowledged that anyone can get into embryology and all the science they want. Like I said, there is a baby forminginside regardless of what you want to label it as

rgambs

drakeheuer14 said:

rgambs said:

drakeheuer14 said:

"Sure, as long as "you", ie someone else, is willing to sacrifice of themselves to create and sustain that baby"

I fully intend to adopt. And I wish more people would be open to it to. Usually the response to not adopting is it is too expensive. That should be fixed.


Edit - if it is inconclvenient to you from a monetary standpoint, it is cool to kill a baby?

If it is inconvenient to you to understand embryology, should you have an opinion on the matter?

What makes you think I dont understand it?

You dismissed the technical aspects of fetal development and persist in using the term "baby" which is inaccurate and disingenuous.
You are free to believe that a fetus should not be aborted, but when you use the improper terms, you align yourselves with a crowd that cherishes it's ignorance.

drakeheuer14

rgambs said:

drakeheuer14 said:

rgambs said:

drakeheuer14 said:

"Sure, as long as "you", ie someone else, is willing to sacrifice of themselves to create and sustain that baby"

I fully intend to adopt. And I wish more people would be open to it to. Usually the response to not adopting is it is too expensive. That should be fixed.


Edit - if it is inconclvenient to you from a monetary standpoint, it is cool to kill a baby?

If it is inconvenient to you to understand embryology, should you have an opinion on the matter?

What makes you think I dont understand it?

You dismissed the technical aspects of fetal development and persist in using the term "baby" which is inaccurate and disingenuous.
You are free to believe that a fetus should not be aborted, but when you use the improper terms, you align yourselves with a crowd that cherishes it's ignorance.

I will always use the term baby instead of embryo or cell, not because I dont understand the science, but by doing so it aligns the psychological part of an abortion to realize what it is you are choosing to do by aborting. Labeling it as anything else causes a disconnect and normalizes the act

rgambs

drakeheuer14 said:

rgambs said:

drakeheuer14 said:

rgambs said:

drakeheuer14 said:

"Sure, as long as "you", ie someone else, is willing to sacrifice of themselves to create and sustain that baby"

I fully intend to adopt. And I wish more people would be open to it to. Usually the response to not adopting is it is too expensive. That should be fixed.


Edit - if it is inconclvenient to you from a monetary standpoint, it is cool to kill a baby?

If it is inconvenient to you to understand embryology, should you have an opinion on the matter?

What makes you think I dont understand it?

You dismissed the technical aspects of fetal development and persist in using the term "baby" which is inaccurate and disingenuous.
You are free to believe that a fetus should not be aborted, but when you use the improper terms, you align yourselves with a crowd that cherishes it's ignorance.

I will always use the term baby instead of embryo or cell, not because I dont understand the science, but by doing so it aligns the psychological part of an abortion to realize what it is you are choosing to do by aborting. Labeling it as anything else causes a disconnect and normalizes the act

An embryo is not a fetus and a fetus is not a baby.
Is a baby an adult?
Labels are functions of distinction, and they matter.

When you choose to use terms you know to be incorrect for psychologic effect you are normalizing irrationality. It's hard to change people's minds from an admittedly biased viewpoint.

rgambs

Doing so also admits the weakness of your position, if you have to use admitted falsehoods to counter truths, you are already losing the debate.

drakeheuer14

rgambs said:

drakeheuer14 said:

rgambs said:

drakeheuer14 said:

rgambs said:

drakeheuer14 said:

"Sure, as long as "you", ie someone else, is willing to sacrifice of themselves to create and sustain that baby"

I fully intend to adopt. And I wish more people would be open to it to. Usually the response to not adopting is it is too expensive. That should be fixed.


Edit - if it is inconclvenient to you from a monetary standpoint, it is cool to kill a baby?

If it is inconvenient to you to understand embryology, should you have an opinion on the matter?

What makes you think I dont understand it?

You dismissed the technical aspects of fetal development and persist in using the term "baby" which is inaccurate and disingenuous.
You are free to believe that a fetus should not be aborted, but when you use the improper terms, you align yourselves with a crowd that cherishes it's ignorance.

I will always use the term baby instead of embryo or cell, not because I dont understand the science, but by doing so it aligns the psychological part of an abortion to realize what it is you are choosing to do by aborting. Labeling it as anything else causes a disconnect and normalizes the act

An embryo is not a fetus and a fetus is not a baby.
Is a baby an adult?
Labels are functions of distinction, and they matter.

When you choose to use terms you know to be incorrect for psychologic effect you are normalizing irrationality. It's hard to change people's minds from an admittedly biased viewpoint.

Im not disagreeing with your first sentence. Again, as I have said, the fact of the matter is that a baby is developing. You are right, I should be more clear in my terminology so i will now say "developing into a baby" instead of just "baby." I believe everyone should be informed about the science and psychological effects that go along with abortion. I wasn't proposing that people should be brainwashed by any means.

I respect your opinion on the matter, changing your mind is not my goal. But hopefully i will be able to positively change the mind of at least one female going through this dilemma in my lifetime through moral support or however possible.

rgambs

drakeheuer14 said:

rgambs said:

drakeheuer14 said:

rgambs said:

drakeheuer14 said:

rgambs said:

drakeheuer14 said:

"Sure, as long as "you", ie someone else, is willing to sacrifice of themselves to create and sustain that baby"

I fully intend to adopt. And I wish more people would be open to it to. Usually the response to not adopting is it is too expensive. That should be fixed.


Edit - if it is inconclvenient to you from a monetary standpoint, it is cool to kill a baby?

If it is inconvenient to you to understand embryology, should you have an opinion on the matter?

What makes you think I dont understand it?

You dismissed the technical aspects of fetal development and persist in using the term "baby" which is inaccurate and disingenuous.
You are free to believe that a fetus should not be aborted, but when you use the improper terms, you align yourselves with a crowd that cherishes it's ignorance.

I will always use the term baby instead of embryo or cell, not because I dont understand the science, but by doing so it aligns the psychological part of an abortion to realize what it is you are choosing to do by aborting. Labeling it as anything else causes a disconnect and normalizes the act

An embryo is not a fetus and a fetus is not a baby.
Is a baby an adult?
Labels are functions of distinction, and they matter.

When you choose to use terms you know to be incorrect for psychologic effect you are normalizing irrationality. It's hard to change people's minds from an admittedly biased viewpoint.

Im not disagreeing with your first sentence. Again, as I have said, the fact of the matter is that a baby is developing. You are right, I should be more clear in my terminology so i will now say "developing into a baby" instead of just "baby." I believe everyone should be informed about the science and psychological effects that go along with abortion. I wasn't proposing that people should be brainwashed by any means.

I respect your opinion on the matter, changing your mind is not my goal. But hopefully i will be able to positively change the mind of at least one female going through this dilemma in my lifetime through moral support or however possible.

It's usually not my goal to change minds on this subject either, I just seek to bring honesty to the topic.

Spiritual_Chaos

my2hands said:

drakeheuer14 said:

One abortion is one too many.

Im not against PP as a whole, they do offer a lot of great services.

End abortion, not life.

Are you anti death penalty as well?

Every sane human being is against the death penalty.

ElderlyWomanOH

Abortions will continue whether legal or illegal; currently in the U.S. women have the legal right to that choice. If that right is gone, it is doubtful that the number of abortions would drop.

"In contrast, historical and contemporary data show that where abortion is illegal or highly restricted, women resort to unsafe means to end an unwanted pregnancy, including self-inflicted abdominal and bodily trauma, ingestion of dangerous chemicals, self-medication with a variety of drugs, and reliance on unqualified abortion providers (5, 6). Today, approximately 21 million women around the world obtain unsafe, illegal abortions each year, and complications from these unsafe procedures account for approximately 13% of all maternal deaths, nearly 50,000 annually (5, 6)."

http://www.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/Committee-on-Health-Care-for-Underserved-Women/Increasing-Access-to-Abortion

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Spiritual_Chaos said:

my2hands said:

drakeheuer14 said:

One abortion is one too many.

Im not against PP as a whole, they do offer a lot of great services.

End abortion, not life.

Are you anti death penalty as well?

Every sane human being is against the death penalty.

Parents of murdered children that want the death penalty for the murderer of their child are insane.

Good point. I guess that settles the debate then.

Go Beavers

You reduce abortions by providing easy and cheap access to contraception and quality sex education. Anyone who is anti-choice should be supporting these things.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

my2hands said:

drakeheuer14 said:

One abortion is one too many.

Im not against PP as a whole, they do offer a lot of great services.

End abortion, not life.

Are you anti death penalty as well?

Every sane human being is against the death penalty.

mcgruff10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

my2hands said:

drakeheuer14 said:

One abortion is one too many.

Im not against PP as a whole, they do offer a lot of great services.

End abortion, not life.

Are you anti death penalty as well?

Every sane human being is against the death penalty.

Pretty sane here and pro death penalty.

mickeyrat

Go Beavers said:

You reduce abortions by providing easy and cheap access to contraception and quality sex education. Anyone who is anti-choice should be supporting these things.

LIKE PP.......

RYME

my2hands said:

Kev - Coat and Keys said:

Are there studies on people having abortions when young and how many kids they end up with later?
I would think that there would be plenty of situations where people want to wait for better circumstances to have their children (you know to be better for a kid) and they still end up with their 2.5 kids and the population is what is would be.
Which also sounds like planning things.

Excellent point

(Plenty of situations where people want to wait for better circumstances to have their children)
Than maby be a little more disciplined in the first place if at all possible. This statement is for guys and girls.
Abortions are killing unborn would be people in the process.
How many men & women are already gone and never had a chance?
Probably about half of abortions must be girls. (just a guess). They are killing what would be future men & women.
This movement coincides with (A day with out women). My wife is definitely my better half. A day with out (her) and women in general would definitely be miserable.
Why not put more emphasis on family values?
What if a child that is born out of an unfortunate situation, gives the woman (mom) hope and a reason to live and move on with life and care for that child. Or put it up for adoption so that people who really want a child but can't on their own for some reason, can have a child. I have several friends that were adopted at a very young age, and they are really good people I am really glad that they were not aborted. (my friends)
Good things can come out of difficult situations.
I sort of understand the argument for rape & incest victims. But still air on the side of life.

Simply getting rid of a developing baby because he or she doesn't want to deal with it I think is wrong. Why not wait till you're ready if at all possible?

RYME

Kev - Coat and Keys said:

Are there studies on people having abortions when young and how many kids they end up with later?
I would think there would be plenty of situations where people want to wait for better circumstances to have their children (you know to be better for a kid) and they still end up with their 2.5 kids and the population is what is would be.
Which also sounds like planning things.

It was this statement that I was responding to above..

RYME

hedonist said:

I don't know you and give not a shit about popularity (really, what value does that even hold?) but I'm wondering what "yellows" and "reds" and all of that mean.

WHERE IN THE SPECTRUM DO I FALL?

I need to know.

And what the fuck does this mean?
Aborted fetus body parts sold regularly on the baby Parts Market.

I hope you realize many women have lost their lives by attempting to give themselves abortions because they were illegal or unavailable.

Sorry to have taken such toxic bait from you but...comes a time to say fuck it. Not "blasting" you, but I can't imagine harboring that level of hate.

(I wish telling someone "fuck you" on this site wouldn't get me banned - it'd feel great to do so - but, I shall refrain from saying it and allow my thinking it to suffice)

Respectfully here is the answer to your question about aborted fetus body parts sold at marke by Planned Parenthood. If you haven't seen this watch it. It's only 8 minutes.
This is crazy stuff and you will see that I am not crazy and I'm not full of hate and anger. And about the colors, I was simply trying to imply (Maby I did a bad job of it) that what ever race or origin or gender you are,I don't like to see people aborted. So I don't know where you fit into the spectrum, But I'm sure that you are a beautiful color, and im glad that you are here among us and not aborted.

https://youtu.be/Bwn0QBhy2TQ