Ok, fess up, which of you goes to college in Madison?

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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    A private business whould be able to refuse service to anyone at any time for any reason.

    The public could then decide on what to do with it.

    What, like a lynch mob?
    The public elects representatives (diseases/parasites?) to make laws to handle things like this. Those elected parasitic diseases decided that refusing service to certain groups of people is not allowed, because it's bullshit.
    No, like lefist riots at colleges.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited March 2017
    pjhawks said:

    i imagine the people OK with denying certain people services are fine with it...until someone denies them service. how would it fly if someone opened a store that denied service to white males? can you imagine the shit storm? yea exactly...

    Well we wouldn't protest much because we would be quickly reminded by some feminist of our privilege and patriarchy.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    edited March 2017
    ftfm

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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,541
    edited March 2017
    The video was produced by the Allied Defense Fund
    Here is some info as to who and what they are...

    The Southern Poverty Law Center has described the organization as"virulently anti-gay" and an anti-LGBT hate group.

    ADF supports the inclusion of invocations at public meetings and the use of religious displays (such as crosses and other religious monuments) on public lands and in public buildings. The ADF opposes abortion, and believes that healthcare workers have a right to decline participation in the performance of abortions and other practices an individual health worker finds morally objectionable.ADF opposes same-sex marriage and civil unions, as well as adoption by same-sex couples based on their belief that children are best raised by a married mother and father. ADF believes parents should be able to opt their children out of sex education in schools that run counter to a family's religious beliefs.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487



    Even though that has nothing to do with the responses.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:




    Even though that has nothing to do with the responses.

    It has everything to do with the responses they likely rejected and the footage that wasn't shown which may paint a different picture...The same can be said of videos that paint Trump supporters as racist morons too though
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,935
    I think a small business absolutely should have the right to determine who they do business with. I have a friend who owns a salon, and they keep track of info on their customers. If they no-show twice, they stop taking reservations for them, which virtually means they cant get their hair done there anymore. Seems totally reasonable. But where would you draw the line? Should a Jewish owned bakery be forced to make an Easter cake and write "Jesus is Lord" on it? They should have the right to say no to that too.
    I agree that no one should be turned down for race, but how to you enforce that and give the freedom to make decisions to run the business?
    And I'd rather have a Costco cake at my wedding than a cake from some bakery I had to take to court.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    rgambs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    For the record... the baker that didn't want to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple... the photographer that turns down employment taking pictures at a same sex wedding... that's their choice.

    But with that choice comes consequences: as a heterosexual man... I wouldn't spend a dollar at a bigot's place of business given the choice. I think many others would be the same.

    Totally agree. You should be able to choose to do or not do business with anyone you please for whatever reason, but every action has its consequences.
    It isn't that simple though, what happens when an entire region, perhaps the south, decides it won't do business with a certain group, perhaps black people.
    So now American citizens can't buy food or fuel or housing in their own home, because, freedom.
    It's happened before, and if libertarian types had their way, it would happen again.
    I see it as they are cutting their own throats.

    In British Columbia, if an openly bigoted shop owner denied his services or products to a gay couple or minority... they would be shamed and placed out of business- not by law, but by social standards.

    There is some legitimacy to your point though. It is becoming obvious that many regions still exist in the dark ages and as such... some groups need protection from such ignorance.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mace1229 said:

    I think a small business absolutely should have the right to determine who they do business with. I have a friend who owns a salon, and they keep track of info on their customers. If they no-show twice, they stop taking reservations for them, which virtually means they cant get their hair done there anymore. Seems totally reasonable. But where would you draw the line? Should a Jewish owned bakery be forced to make an Easter cake and write "Jesus is Lord" on it? They should have the right to say no to that too.
    I agree that no one should be turned down for race, but how to you enforce that and give the freedom to make decisions to run the business?
    And I'd rather have a Costco cake at my wedding than a cake from some bakery I had to take to court.

    A big part of the problem is that businesses can't just quietly refuse customers and use legitimate excuses, they have to vocalize their discrimination. That's where the rationalisations break down.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited March 2017
    If a jehova witness comes to your place of business to make a purchase and peddle their word at the same time, would you refuse their entry as you would when they come to your home?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited March 2017
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    rgambs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    For the record... the baker that didn't want to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple... the photographer that turns down employment taking pictures at a same sex wedding... that's their choice.

    But with that choice comes consequences: as a heterosexual man... I wouldn't spend a dollar at a bigot's place of business given the choice. I think many others would be the same.

    Totally agree. You should be able to choose to do or not do business with anyone you please for whatever reason, but every action has its consequences.
    It isn't that simple though, what happens when an entire region, perhaps the south, decides it won't do business with a certain group, perhaps black people.
    So now American citizens can't buy food or fuel or housing in their own home, because, freedom.
    It's happened before, and if libertarian types had their way, it would happen again.
    I see it as they are cutting their own throats.

    In British Columbia, if an openly bigoted shop owner denied his services or products to a gay couple or minority... they would be shamed and placed out of business- not by law, but by social standards.

    There is some legitimacy to your point though. It is becoming obvious that many regions still exist in the dark ages and as such... some groups need protection from such ignorance.
    Then all you are doing is making personal choice of association mandatory and not voluntary.

    Someday I wouldn't put it past people to judge others on their quota of friends from different backgrounds. Well, wait they already do.

    But I do agree with the first part.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    rgambs said:

    mace1229 said:

    I think a small business absolutely should have the right to determine who they do business with. I have a friend who owns a salon, and they keep track of info on their customers. If they no-show twice, they stop taking reservations for them, which virtually means they cant get their hair done there anymore. Seems totally reasonable. But where would you draw the line? Should a Jewish owned bakery be forced to make an Easter cake and write "Jesus is Lord" on it? They should have the right to say no to that too.
    I agree that no one should be turned down for race, but how to you enforce that and give the freedom to make decisions to run the business?
    And I'd rather have a Costco cake at my wedding than a cake from some bakery I had to take to court.

    A big part of the problem is that businesses can't just quietly refuse customers and use legitimate excuses, they have to vocalize their discrimination. That's where the rationalisations break down.
    So it comes down to hurt feelings then.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    If a jehova witness comes to your place of business to make a purchase and peddle their word at the same time, would you refuse their entry as you would when they come to your home?

    They don't come to my home because I live in the country, and the family business is a medical practice, so no, they wouldn't be refused based on a kooky worldview.

    If I owned a hotdog stand...
    I would concern myself with selling hotdogs.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    If a jehova witness comes to your place of business to make a purchase and peddle their word at the same time, would you refuse their entry as you would when they come to your home?

    Are they making a purchase or just there to preach?
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,621
    mace1229 said:

    I think a small business absolutely should have the right to determine who they do business with. I have a friend who owns a salon, and they keep track of info on their customers. If they no-show twice, they stop taking reservations for them, which virtually means they cant get their hair done there anymore. Seems totally reasonable. But where would you draw the line? Should a Jewish owned bakery be forced to make an Easter cake and write "Jesus is Lord" on it? They should have the right to say no to that too.
    I agree that no one should be turned down for race, but how to you enforce that and give the freedom to make decisions to run the business?
    And I'd rather have a Costco cake at my wedding than a cake from some bakery I had to take to court.

    The line's already drawn legally. A business owner can deny services to someone who no-shows. They can't deny services to someone based on their religion. They can decide they won't write something on the cake, because that's not denying services. A tattoo artist doesn't have to do swastikas, and a landscape photographer doesn't have to do weddings.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Depends on the business license. A real estate agent, a doctor, and such can't. A baker? Well, I suppose it depends on the laws or the area.

    I still stand behind my statement though. Someone who refused to bake a cake is not causing harm to a customer.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    rgambs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    For the record... the baker that didn't want to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple... the photographer that turns down employment taking pictures at a same sex wedding... that's their choice.

    But with that choice comes consequences: as a heterosexual man... I wouldn't spend a dollar at a bigot's place of business given the choice. I think many others would be the same.

    Totally agree. You should be able to choose to do or not do business with anyone you please for whatever reason, but every action has its consequences.
    It isn't that simple though, what happens when an entire region, perhaps the south, decides it won't do business with a certain group, perhaps black people.
    So now American citizens can't buy food or fuel or housing in their own home, because, freedom.
    It's happened before, and if libertarian types had their way, it would happen again.
    I see it as they are cutting their own throats.

    In British Columbia, if an openly bigoted shop owner denied his services or products to a gay couple or minority... they would be shamed and placed out of business- not by law, but by social standards.

    There is some legitimacy to your point though. It is becoming obvious that many regions still exist in the dark ages and as such... some groups need protection from such ignorance.
    Then all you are doing is making personal choice of association mandatory and not voluntary.

    Someday I wouldn't put it past people to judge others on their quota of friends from different backgrounds. Well, wait they already do.

    But I do agree with the first part.
    Hang on.

    I haven't weighed in on the 'necessity' for governing as much as I have the 'need' for governing in this scenario.

    It is fair to say, though, that left unchecked... some areas would become grotesquely intolerant. I think it's reasonable to question whether or those areas would eventually evolve from external pressure... or those areas' hatred would radiate and develop as a larger sphere of intolerance.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited March 2017
    unsung said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    If a jehova witness comes to your place of business to make a purchase and peddle their word at the same time, would you refuse their entry as you would when they come to your home?

    Are they making a purchase or just there to preach?
    Both, bible in hand and everything.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,621
    unsung said:

    Depends on the business license. A real estate agent, a doctor, and such can't. A baker? Well, I suppose it depends on the laws or the area.

    I still stand behind my statement though. Someone who refused to bake a cake is not causing harm to a customer.

    Just because an outsider thinks there's no harm, doesn't mean the law shouldn't apply. That's not the best logic to apply to laws.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    mace1229 said:

    I think a small business absolutely should have the right to determine who they do business with. I have a friend who owns a salon, and they keep track of info on their customers. If they no-show twice, they stop taking reservations for them, which virtually means they cant get their hair done there anymore. Seems totally reasonable. But where would you draw the line? Should a Jewish owned bakery be forced to make an Easter cake and write "Jesus is Lord" on it? They should have the right to say no to that too.
    I agree that no one should be turned down for race, but how to you enforce that and give the freedom to make decisions to run the business?
    And I'd rather have a Costco cake at my wedding than a cake from some bakery I had to take to court.

    A big part of the problem is that businesses can't just quietly refuse customers and use legitimate excuses, they have to vocalize their discrimination. That's where the rationalisations break down.
    So it comes down to hurt feelings then.
    Why not, that's what your side comes down to.
    Business owners whose feelings will be hurt if they have to provide services to people they disagree with.
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