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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Ridiculous false equivalencies.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    No, it is pointing out more of your hypocrisy.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:

    No, it is pointing out more of your hypocrisy.

    Oh, yeah, because Melania Trump is a protected class of people who have legitimately been discriminated against and abused.

    Another libertarian thought experiment carried out in an intellectual vacuum devoid of the considerations of reality.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Which of these fine folk are you Unsung?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E48QqcTOXeY
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    For the record... the baker that didn't want to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple... the photographer that turns down employment taking pictures at a same sex wedding... that's their choice.

    But with that choice comes consequences: as a heterosexual man... I wouldn't spend a dollar at a bigot's place of business given the choice. I think many others would be the same.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    For the record... the baker that didn't want to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple... the photographer that turns down employment taking pictures at a same sex wedding... that's their choice.

    But with that choice comes consequences: as a heterosexual man... I wouldn't spend a dollar at a bigot's place of business given the choice. I think many others would be the same.

    Totally agree. You should be able to choose to do or not do business with anyone you please for whatever reason, but every action has its consequences.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    For the record... the baker that didn't want to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple... the photographer that turns down employment taking pictures at a same sex wedding... that's their choice.

    But with that choice comes consequences: as a heterosexual man... I wouldn't spend a dollar at a bigot's place of business given the choice. I think many others would be the same.

    Totally agree. You should be able to choose to do or not do business with anyone you please for whatever reason, but every action has its consequences.
    It isn't that simple though, what happens when an entire region, perhaps the south, decides it won't do business with a certain group, perhaps black people.
    So now American citizens can't buy food or fuel or housing in their own home, because, freedom.
    It's happened before, and if libertarian types had their way, it would happen again.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2017
    rgambs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    For the record... the baker that didn't want to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple... the photographer that turns down employment taking pictures at a same sex wedding... that's their choice.

    But with that choice comes consequences: as a heterosexual man... I wouldn't spend a dollar at a bigot's place of business given the choice. I think many others would be the same.

    Totally agree. You should be able to choose to do or not do business with anyone you please for whatever reason, but every action has its consequences.
    It isn't that simple though, what happens when an entire region, perhaps the south, decides it won't do business with a certain group, perhaps black people.
    So now American citizens can't buy food or fuel or housing in their own home, because, freedom.
    It's happened before, and if libertarian types had their way, it would happen again.
    A corporation would totally fail (consequences) if they implemented such ridiculous practices. You act as though there are no black business owners in the south...If someone does not have a shirt on, you can refuse to do business with them...it's nothing new. There are a lot of anti discrimination laws in place, but I think that they are sometimes abused by someone being refused for being an asshole and claim they were refused because of x,y,z "discrimination". If a cake company does not want to put two men kissing on a cake, they should be allowed to not offer that service. If a cake company wants to only offer cakes with two men kissing, then they should be able to do so.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    rgambs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    For the record... the baker that didn't want to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple... the photographer that turns down employment taking pictures at a same sex wedding... that's their choice.

    But with that choice comes consequences: as a heterosexual man... I wouldn't spend a dollar at a bigot's place of business given the choice. I think many others would be the same.

    Totally agree. You should be able to choose to do or not do business with anyone you please for whatever reason, but every action has its consequences.
    It isn't that simple though, what happens when an entire region, perhaps the south, decides it won't do business with a certain group, perhaps black people.
    So now American citizens can't buy food or fuel or housing in their own home, because, freedom.
    It's happened before, and if libertarian types had their way, it would happen again.
    Yup. We had legal discrimination in the past and the free market didn't correct it. It's a question of what kind of society do we want. If you want to ipen a business open to the public, then you can't deny service to someone due to their group status, if they group is a protected group. There's no hypocrisy.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJPOWER said:

    rgambs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    For the record... the baker that didn't want to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple... the photographer that turns down employment taking pictures at a same sex wedding... that's their choice.

    But with that choice comes consequences: as a heterosexual man... I wouldn't spend a dollar at a bigot's place of business given the choice. I think many others would be the same.

    Totally agree. You should be able to choose to do or not do business with anyone you please for whatever reason, but every action has its consequences.
    It isn't that simple though, what happens when an entire region, perhaps the south, decides it won't do business with a certain group, perhaps black people.
    So now American citizens can't buy food or fuel or housing in their own home, because, freedom.
    It's happened before, and if libertarian types had their way, it would happen again.
    A corporation would totally fail (consequences) if they implemented such ridiculous practices. You act as though there are no black business owners in the south...If someone does not have a shirt on, you can refuse to do business with them...it's nothing new. There are a lot of anti discrimination laws in place, but I think that they are sometimes abused by someone being refused for being an asshole and claim they were refused because of x,y,z "discrimination". If a cake company does not want to put two men kissing on a cake, they should be allowed to not offer that service. If a cake company wants to only offer cakes with two men kissing, then they should be able to do so.
    Baloney. The market didn't correct Jim Crow and that's a fact.
    It's worth noting that in order to make your cake example hold water, you made the cake feature pornographic images, which is not a realistic scenario.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Go Beavers said:

    rgambs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    For the record... the baker that didn't want to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple... the photographer that turns down employment taking pictures at a same sex wedding... that's their choice.

    But with that choice comes consequences: as a heterosexual man... I wouldn't spend a dollar at a bigot's place of business given the choice. I think many others would be the same.

    Totally agree. You should be able to choose to do or not do business with anyone you please for whatever reason, but every action has its consequences.
    It isn't that simple though, what happens when an entire region, perhaps the south, decides it won't do business with a certain group, perhaps black people.
    So now American citizens can't buy food or fuel or housing in their own home, because, freedom.
    It's happened before, and if libertarian types had their way, it would happen again.
    Yup. We had legal discrimination in the past and the free market didn't correct it. It's a question of what kind of society do we want. If you want to ipen a business open to the public, then you can't deny service to someone due to their group status, if they group is a protected group. There's no hypocrisy.
    I guess it depends on the type of service. If someone opened a business called "Christian Wedding Photography" then they should have the right to refuse to photograph at Muslim ceremonies and vise versa. Race is a whole different thing and an issue of racism vs idealism. I do not believe there should be "whites only" or "black only" businesses...
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    For the record... the baker that didn't want to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple... the photographer that turns down employment taking pictures at a same sex wedding... that's their choice.

    But with that choice comes consequences: as a heterosexual man... I wouldn't spend a dollar at a bigot's place of business given the choice. I think many others would be the same.

    And I agree with this.

    But government should not be fining people for doing so.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Go Beavers said:

    rgambs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    For the record... the baker that didn't want to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple... the photographer that turns down employment taking pictures at a same sex wedding... that's their choice.

    But with that choice comes consequences: as a heterosexual man... I wouldn't spend a dollar at a bigot's place of business given the choice. I think many others would be the same.

    Totally agree. You should be able to choose to do or not do business with anyone you please for whatever reason, but every action has its consequences.
    It isn't that simple though, what happens when an entire region, perhaps the south, decides it won't do business with a certain group, perhaps black people.
    So now American citizens can't buy food or fuel or housing in their own home, because, freedom.
    It's happened before, and if libertarian types had their way, it would happen again.
    Yup. We had legal discrimination in the past and the free market didn't correct it. It's a question of what kind of society do we want. If you want to ipen a business open to the public, then you can't deny service to someone due to their group status, if they group is a protected group. There's no hypocrisy.
    Society has changed. The market has changed.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    rgambs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    For the record... the baker that didn't want to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple... the photographer that turns down employment taking pictures at a same sex wedding... that's their choice.

    But with that choice comes consequences: as a heterosexual man... I wouldn't spend a dollar at a bigot's place of business given the choice. I think many others would be the same.

    Totally agree. You should be able to choose to do or not do business with anyone you please for whatever reason, but every action has its consequences.
    It isn't that simple though, what happens when an entire region, perhaps the south, decides it won't do business with a certain group, perhaps black people.
    So now American citizens can't buy food or fuel or housing in their own home, because, freedom.
    It's happened before, and if libertarian types had their way, it would happen again.
    Yup. We had legal discrimination in the past and the free market didn't correct it. It's a question of what kind of society do we want. If you want to ipen a business open to the public, then you can't deny service to someone due to their group status, if they group is a protected group. There's no hypocrisy.
    Society has changed. The market has changed.
    Your evidence that the market has changed to the degree where discriminatory businesses would not last is what?
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    rgambs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    For the record... the baker that didn't want to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple... the photographer that turns down employment taking pictures at a same sex wedding... that's their choice.

    But with that choice comes consequences: as a heterosexual man... I wouldn't spend a dollar at a bigot's place of business given the choice. I think many others would be the same.

    Totally agree. You should be able to choose to do or not do business with anyone you please for whatever reason, but every action has its consequences.
    It isn't that simple though, what happens when an entire region, perhaps the south, decides it won't do business with a certain group, perhaps black people.
    So now American citizens can't buy food or fuel or housing in their own home, because, freedom.
    It's happened before, and if libertarian types had their way, it would happen again.
    Yup. We had legal discrimination in the past and the free market didn't correct it. It's a question of what kind of society do we want. If you want to ipen a business open to the public, then you can't deny service to someone due to their group status, if they group is a protected group. There's no hypocrisy.
    I guess it depends on the type of service. If someone opened a business called "Christian Wedding Photography" then they should have the right to refuse to photograph at Muslim ceremonies and vise versa. Race is a whole different thing and an issue of racism vs idealism. I do not believe there should be "whites only" or "black only" businesses...
    Race is obviously different than religion, but we've decided that both are protected groups. If someone feels like they need to discriminate against groups, then they have to be provate and not open to the public.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    rgambs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    For the record... the baker that didn't want to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple... the photographer that turns down employment taking pictures at a same sex wedding... that's their choice.

    But with that choice comes consequences: as a heterosexual man... I wouldn't spend a dollar at a bigot's place of business given the choice. I think many others would be the same.

    Totally agree. You should be able to choose to do or not do business with anyone you please for whatever reason, but every action has its consequences.
    It isn't that simple though, what happens when an entire region, perhaps the south, decides it won't do business with a certain group, perhaps black people.
    So now American citizens can't buy food or fuel or housing in their own home, because, freedom.
    It's happened before, and if libertarian types had their way, it would happen again.
    Yup. We had legal discrimination in the past and the free market didn't correct it. It's a question of what kind of society do we want. If you want to ipen a business open to the public, then you can't deny service to someone due to their group status, if they group is a protected group. There's no hypocrisy.
    Society has changed. The market has changed.
    Your evidence that the market has changed to the degree where discriminatory businesses would not last is what?
    So acceptance of different people has not changed from the 60's?

    You still need government to protect you from a baker?



  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    rgambs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    For the record... the baker that didn't want to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple... the photographer that turns down employment taking pictures at a same sex wedding... that's their choice.

    But with that choice comes consequences: as a heterosexual man... I wouldn't spend a dollar at a bigot's place of business given the choice. I think many others would be the same.

    Totally agree. You should be able to choose to do or not do business with anyone you please for whatever reason, but every action has its consequences.
    It isn't that simple though, what happens when an entire region, perhaps the south, decides it won't do business with a certain group, perhaps black people.
    So now American citizens can't buy food or fuel or housing in their own home, because, freedom.
    It's happened before, and if libertarian types had their way, it would happen again.
    Yup. We had legal discrimination in the past and the free market didn't correct it. It's a question of what kind of society do we want. If you want to ipen a business open to the public, then you can't deny service to someone due to their group status, if they group is a protected group. There's no hypocrisy.
    Society has changed. The market has changed.
    Your evidence that the market has changed to the degree where discriminatory businesses would not last is what?
    So acceptance of different people has not changed from the 60's?

    You still need government to protect you from a baker?



    Your black and white thinking has you jumping to assumptions. Acceptance has definately changed, just not enough. The protections still need to be in place, as you can see from reaction of trump supporters and bigotry surrounding trump and his policies. But we white guys have it pretty easy, so I guess we can sit back and say it's all good. Heck, we even had a black president.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    A private business whould be able to refuse service to anyone at any time for any reason.

    The public could then decide on what to do with it.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:

    A private business whould be able to refuse service to anyone at any time for any reason.

    The public could then decide on what to do with it.

    What, like a lynch mob?
    The public elects representatives (diseases/parasites?) to make laws to handle things like this. Those elected parasitic diseases decided that refusing service to certain groups of people is not allowed, because it's bullshit.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,957
    i imagine the people OK with denying certain people services are fine with it...until someone denies them service. how would it fly if someone opened a store that denied service to white males? can you imagine the shit storm? yea exactly...

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