***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

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ledvedderman

2019

Please don't bring Bob Loblaw into this and ruin Arrested Development for me. 

josevolution

2018

But but he never had any deals with Russia at all not one lol 

The Juggler

2019

mfc2006 said:

The Juggler said:

^
SLOW
DEATH
MARCH
TO
IMPEACHMENT

Enjoy the ride! 

He doesn't care & it's not worth your time.

I just think it must be hell to be such a huge supporter of this guy while knowing Mueller is slowly but surely closing in on him. It's funny to see people try to deny it every day.

OnWis97

"THE FIELD"

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Ha, ha.  Is anyone going to listen this time or will dems be left behind again in 2020
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/michael-moore-trump-on-track-for-reelection/ar-AAqWVlX?li=AAggFp5&ocid=mailsignout

But he's a buffoon...surely we won't elect/re-elect a buffoon.

Moore was right last fall and he's right now.  It's too early to actually predict, but if an election were magically held tomorrow, there's no Democrat...hell, no person...that could beat him. 

Unfortunately, his idea of trying to change the electoral college is a non-starter and will be until such time that it favors a Democrat overcoming losing the popular vote (which will never happen, given the rural preference of the right).  

The Juggler

2019

OnWis97 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Ha, ha.  Is anyone going to listen this time or will dems be left behind again in 2020
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/michael-moore-trump-on-track-for-reelection/ar-AAqWVlX?li=AAggFp5&ocid=mailsignout

But he's a buffoon...surely we won't elect/re-elect a buffoon.

Moore was right last fall and he's right now.  It's too early to actually predict, but if an election were magically held tomorrow, there's no Democrat...hell, no person...that could beat him. 

Unfortunately, his idea of trying to change the electoral college is a non-starter and will be until such time that it favors a Democrat overcoming losing the popular vote (which will never happen, given the rural preference of the right).  

The impeachment will take place a year or two before the election anyway. Moo point. Moo.

OnWis97

"THE FIELD"

The Juggler said:

OnWis97 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Ha, ha.  Is anyone going to listen this time or will dems be left behind again in 2020
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/michael-moore-trump-on-track-for-reelection/ar-AAqWVlX?li=AAggFp5&ocid=mailsignout

But he's a buffoon...surely we won't elect/re-elect a buffoon.

Moore was right last fall and he's right now.  It's too early to actually predict, but if an election were magically held tomorrow, there's no Democrat...hell, no person...that could beat him. 

Unfortunately, his idea of trying to change the electoral college is a non-starter and will be until such time that it favors a Democrat overcoming losing the popular vote (which will never happen, given the rural preference of the right).  

The impeachment will take place a year or two before the election anyway. Moo point. Moo.

Unfortunately, the point holds true regardless...any close presidential election will always to to the GOP thanks to the fact that the electoral college weighs rural and smaller state votes higher than urban and large state votes.

Either way, hopefully the Democratic Party is not operating under the assumption that Trump will be gone.  They need to be prepared to beat Trump.  The left has continued to assume he won't get to the next step from the moment he decided to run.  And now they assume he won't see the end of this term...maybe.  But this is his country now...I think he's going to be just fine.

And if he is removed (or preemptively resigns), the movement (which is bigger than we like to give it credit for) is going to be in quite a tizzy.  They'll probably nominate Richard Spencer or someone...and if that happens, I hope the Dems don't arrogantly think they can just beat him the way they did with Trump.

The Juggler

2019

OnWis97 said:

The Juggler said:

OnWis97 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Ha, ha.  Is anyone going to listen this time or will dems be left behind again in 2020
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/michael-moore-trump-on-track-for-reelection/ar-AAqWVlX?li=AAggFp5&ocid=mailsignout

But he's a buffoon...surely we won't elect/re-elect a buffoon.

Moore was right last fall and he's right now.  It's too early to actually predict, but if an election were magically held tomorrow, there's no Democrat...hell, no person...that could beat him. 

Unfortunately, his idea of trying to change the electoral college is a non-starter and will be until such time that it favors a Democrat overcoming losing the popular vote (which will never happen, given the rural preference of the right).  

The impeachment will take place a year or two before the election anyway. Moo point. Moo.

Unfortunately, the point holds true regardless...any close presidential election will always to to the GOP thanks to the fact that the electoral college weighs rural and smaller state votes higher than urban and large state votes.

Either way, hopefully the Democratic Party is not operating under the assumption that Trump will be gone.  They need to be prepared to beat Trump.  The left has continued to assume he won't get to the next step from the moment he decided to run.  And now they assume he won't see the end of this term...maybe.  But this is his country now...I think he's going to be just fine.

And if he is removed (or preemptively resigns), the movement (which is bigger than we like to give it credit for) is going to be in quite a tizzy.  They'll probably nominate Richard Spencer or someone...and if that happens, I hope the Dems don't arrogantly think they can just beat him the way they did with Trump.

Nah. I think you're thinking on this has been wrong for a while just like you're thinking his approval numbers have bottomed out despite what the numbers show us. This is a guy with record low numbers that have been trending down, consistently, since March. I suspect these figures will only get worse as he continues to embarrass us on a daily basis, gets nothing of significance done, and--most importantly-- as the multiple investigations close in on him.

You're also grossly overestimating his base if you think they will nominate someone like Spencer, too. The part of his base that likes people like him is 20% ish. The other 15-20% represents more reasonable, rational thinking folks. These are the ones who have been abandoning him and will probably continue to do so as things get worse. The crazy 20% that like Spencer are also starting to waiver because they see that the people who he is now surrounding himself with in the white house do not represent their nationalist viewpoints like one's who have left did.

Ideally, he is impeached a rational human being like John Kasich is the republican nominee.

HughFreakingDillon

2018

my siblings and my dad and I came up with an "impeachment/resignation pool" while out for dinner last night. Good times! 

OnWis97

"THE FIELD"

The Juggler said:

OnWis97 said:

The Juggler said:

OnWis97 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Ha, ha.  Is anyone going to listen this time or will dems be left behind again in 2020
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/michael-moore-trump-on-track-for-reelection/ar-AAqWVlX?li=AAggFp5&ocid=mailsignout

But he's a buffoon...surely we won't elect/re-elect a buffoon.

Moore was right last fall and he's right now.  It's too early to actually predict, but if an election were magically held tomorrow, there's no Democrat...hell, no person...that could beat him. 

Unfortunately, his idea of trying to change the electoral college is a non-starter and will be until such time that it favors a Democrat overcoming losing the popular vote (which will never happen, given the rural preference of the right).  

The impeachment will take place a year or two before the election anyway. Moo point. Moo.

Unfortunately, the point holds true regardless...any close presidential election will always to to the GOP thanks to the fact that the electoral college weighs rural and smaller state votes higher than urban and large state votes.

Either way, hopefully the Democratic Party is not operating under the assumption that Trump will be gone.  They need to be prepared to beat Trump.  The left has continued to assume he won't get to the next step from the moment he decided to run.  And now they assume he won't see the end of this term...maybe.  But this is his country now...I think he's going to be just fine.

And if he is removed (or preemptively resigns), the movement (which is bigger than we like to give it credit for) is going to be in quite a tizzy.  They'll probably nominate Richard Spencer or someone...and if that happens, I hope the Dems don't arrogantly think they can just beat him the way they did with Trump.

Nah. I think you're thinking on this has been wrong for a while just like you're thinking his approval numbers have bottomed out despite what the numbers show us. This is a guy with record low numbers that have been trending down, consistently, since March. I suspect these figures will only get worse as he continues to embarrass us on a daily basis, gets nothing of significance done, and--most importantly-- as the multiple investigations close in on him.

You're also grossly overestimating his base if you think they will nominate someone like Spencer, too. The part of his base that likes people like him is 20% ish. The other 15-20% represents more reasonable, rational thinking folks. These are the ones who have been abandoning him and will probably continue to do so as things get worse. The crazy 20% that like Spencer are also starting to waiver because they see that the people who he is now surrounding himself with in the white house do not represent their nationalist viewpoints like one's who have left did.

Ideally, he is impeached a rational human being like John Kasich is the republican nominee.

OK...I'm quite cynical and pessimistic.  Those traits probably are 75% responsible for me being right last November (though I did rationally believe that 25 years of Hillary hate and the tenuous leads she had in several states could do her in).

But Trump just keeps on keeping on...and his supporters do as well.  Anyone who thinks it's impossible for Trump to win the 2020 Presidential election needs to re-examine how we got to this point.  As for Richard Spencer, I hope my aforementioned traits have caused my thoughts to be pure hyperbole...it kind of is, but I think there's a bigger element of this than most of us realize.  When will "MAGA" be accomplished?  I'm starting to think it's when the Charlottesville perps (the ones who were filmed beating a guy; two, I believe, of whom have been arrested) are acquitted (and they will be).

Is the GOP at a crossroads between (for shorthand) "Kasich" and "Trump?"  Well, a competent Democratic Party could force that situation.  It's sad that with all that's going on, the Democratic party is the irrelevant one.  Right now, Trump is popular enough with the GOP base that they are with him...and he could be re-elected.  Richard Spencer would probably add enough "overt" where Trump is "covert" to not be able to win, I suppose.  If the "Trump" side wins out over the "Kasich" side, they'll probably need to go more "dog whistle" on their candidate's white nationalism...imagine that; a white nationalist president with the ability to filter comments and appear professional.  I fear that's where we're headed.

ledvedderman

2019

We're still 3+ years from the election. As a point of reference, a state senator from Illinois with a funny name went from state senator to US Senator, to presidential candidate in 3 years. 
There are some rising Democratic superstars out there that most haven't heard of, but are just one speech or night away from becoming a shooting star like President Obama. 
There is no reason for concern for a lack a front runner at the moment. Talk to me in two years. 

The Juggler

2019

OnWis97 said:

The Juggler said:

OnWis97 said:

The Juggler said:

OnWis97 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Ha, ha.  Is anyone going to listen this time or will dems be left behind again in 2020
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/michael-moore-trump-on-track-for-reelection/ar-AAqWVlX?li=AAggFp5&ocid=mailsignout

But he's a buffoon...surely we won't elect/re-elect a buffoon.

Moore was right last fall and he's right now.  It's too early to actually predict, but if an election were magically held tomorrow, there's no Democrat...hell, no person...that could beat him. 

Unfortunately, his idea of trying to change the electoral college is a non-starter and will be until such time that it favors a Democrat overcoming losing the popular vote (which will never happen, given the rural preference of the right).  

The impeachment will take place a year or two before the election anyway. Moo point. Moo.

Unfortunately, the point holds true regardless...any close presidential election will always to to the GOP thanks to the fact that the electoral college weighs rural and smaller state votes higher than urban and large state votes.

Either way, hopefully the Democratic Party is not operating under the assumption that Trump will be gone.  They need to be prepared to beat Trump.  The left has continued to assume he won't get to the next step from the moment he decided to run.  And now they assume he won't see the end of this term...maybe.  But this is his country now...I think he's going to be just fine.

And if he is removed (or preemptively resigns), the movement (which is bigger than we like to give it credit for) is going to be in quite a tizzy.  They'll probably nominate Richard Spencer or someone...and if that happens, I hope the Dems don't arrogantly think they can just beat him the way they did with Trump.

Nah. I think you're thinking on this has been wrong for a while just like you're thinking his approval numbers have bottomed out despite what the numbers show us. This is a guy with record low numbers that have been trending down, consistently, since March. I suspect these figures will only get worse as he continues to embarrass us on a daily basis, gets nothing of significance done, and--most importantly-- as the multiple investigations close in on him.

You're also grossly overestimating his base if you think they will nominate someone like Spencer, too. The part of his base that likes people like him is 20% ish. The other 15-20% represents more reasonable, rational thinking folks. These are the ones who have been abandoning him and will probably continue to do so as things get worse. The crazy 20% that like Spencer are also starting to waiver because they see that the people who he is now surrounding himself with in the white house do not represent their nationalist viewpoints like one's who have left did.

Ideally, he is impeached a rational human being like John Kasich is the republican nominee.

OK...I'm quite cynical and pessimistic.  Those traits probably are 75% responsible for me being right last November (though I did rationally believe that 25 years of Hillary hate and the tenuous leads she had in several states could do her in).

But Trump just keeps on keeping on...and his supporters do as well.  Anyone who thinks it's impossible for Trump to win the 2020 Presidential election needs to re-examine how we got to this point.  As for Richard Spencer, I hope my aforementioned traits have caused my thoughts to be pure hyperbole...it kind of is, but I think there's a bigger element of this than most of us realize.  When will "MAGA" be accomplished?  I'm starting to think it's when the Charlottesville perps (the ones who were filmed beating a guy; two, I believe, of whom have been arrested) are acquitted (and they will be).

Is the GOP at a crossroads between (for shorthand) "Kasich" and "Trump?"  Well, a competent Democratic Party could force that situation.  It's sad that with all that's going on, the Democratic party is the irrelevant one.  Right now, Trump is popular enough with the GOP base that they are with him...and he could be re-elected.  Richard Spencer would probably add enough "overt" where Trump is "covert" to not be able to win, I suppose.  If the "Trump" side wins out over the "Kasich" side, they'll probably need to go more "dog whistle" on their candidate's white nationalism...imagine that; a white nationalist president with the ability to filter comments and appear professional.  I fear that's where we're headed.

How does he "keep on keeping on" when he has failed get any major legislation through and his approval numbers keep steadily falling? I don't see what you are basing this on, at all...and even his numbers with republicans have slipped since he took office as well. I think it was 73% which is very low for someone in his first year. There are cracks in his base VERY early into his term and you're somehow predicting he will coast to a reelection 3 years from now. Doesn't add up....especially with the multiple investigations honing in on him.

OnWis97

"THE FIELD"

The Juggler said:

How does he "keep on keeping on" when he has failed get any major legislation through and his approval numbers keep steadily falling? I don't see what you are basing this on, at all...and even his numbers with republicans have slipped since he took office as well. I think it was 73% which is very low for someone in his first year. There are cracks in his base VERY early into his term and you're somehow predicting he will coast to a reelection 3 years from now. Doesn't add up....especially with the multiple investigations honing in on him.

By "Trump needs to keep on keeping on" I meant he needs to just keep acting like a buffoon, being tone-deaf, and generally being un-presidential.  Un-presidential is the new presidential.  His base will keep eating it up.  The question is whether his base is enough.  On its own, no.  But add that to all the people that will vote for anything with an "R" next to it, the Dems at least have to run someone that can pull people to the polls.  I am not predicting he'll coast to re-election.  But I am saying that re-election is possible and more possible than the left acknowledges.  If you could show me a future in which he does coast to re-election, I would not be surprised.

There are some wild cards that could prove my fears unfounded:

• The Dems won't be running a woman (anecdotally, that mattered) who's been hated for nearly three decades.  (Well, I hope not; to run her again would be bordering on treasonous)
• It's been slower than I hoped, but there are some Republicans who are just starting to distance themselves.  At some point, he may make a huge blunder that expedites it (though you'd think some of the things he's said, such as "heroes don't get captured" would have done the trick).
• The investigations.  They are off the radar and it's personally hard for me to imagine anything coming from them (just my gut, admittedly)

The other thing is that all he cares about is his own popularity.  That's it.  So what will he do to enhance that?  What's the one thing that always makes a president more popular (for a while, anyway)?  I'm sure the White House is already talking about the ideal timing for a war with North Korea to maintain his popularity into the election.  Boy, you have to be pretty cynical to think someone would be that cavalier with so many lives just for his popularity...well, I am.

Halifax2TheMax

OnWis97 said:

The Juggler said:

How does he "keep on keeping on" when he has failed get any major legislation through and his approval numbers keep steadily falling? I don't see what you are basing this on, at all...and even his numbers with republicans have slipped since he took office as well. I think it was 73% which is very low for someone in his first year. There are cracks in his base VERY early into his term and you're somehow predicting he will coast to a reelection 3 years from now. Doesn't add up....especially with the multiple investigations honing in on him.

By "Trump needs to keep on keeping on" I meant he needs to just keep acting like a buffoon, being tone-deaf, and generally being un-presidential.  Un-presidential is the new presidential.  His base will keep eating it up.  The question is whether his base is enough.  On its own, no.  But add that to all the people that will vote for anything with an "R" next to it, the Dems at least have to run someone that can pull people to the polls.  I am not predicting he'll coast to re-election.  But I am saying that re-election is possible and more possible than the left acknowledges.  If you could show me a future in which he does coast to re-election, I would not be surprised.

There are some wild cards that could prove my fears unfounded:

• The Dems won't be running a woman (anecdotally, that mattered) who's been hated for nearly three decades.  (Well, I hope not; to run her again would be bordering on treasonous)
• It's been slower than I hoped, but there are some Republicans who are just starting to distance themselves.  At some point, he may make a huge blunder that expedites it (though you'd think some of the things he's said, such as "heroes don't get captured" would have done the trick).
• The investigations.  They are off the radar and it's personally hard for me to imagine anything coming from them (just my gut, admittedly)

The other thing is that all he cares about is his own popularity.  That's it.  So what will he do to enhance that?  What's the one thing that always makes a president more popular (for a while, anyway)?  I'm sure the White House is already talking about the ideal timing for a war with North Korea to maintain his popularity into the election.  Boy, you have to be pretty cynical to think someone would be that cavalier with so many lives just for his popularity...well, I am.

North Korea is not Iraq 2003.

The Juggler

2019

OnWis97 said:

The Juggler said:

How does he "keep on keeping on" when he has failed get any major legislation through and his approval numbers keep steadily falling? I don't see what you are basing this on, at all...and even his numbers with republicans have slipped since he took office as well. I think it was 73% which is very low for someone in his first year. There are cracks in his base VERY early into his term and you're somehow predicting he will coast to a reelection 3 years from now. Doesn't add up....especially with the multiple investigations honing in on him.

By "Trump needs to keep on keeping on" I meant he needs to just keep acting like a buffoon, being tone-deaf, and generally being un-presidential.  Un-presidential is the new presidential.  His base will keep eating it up.  The question is whether his base is enough.  On its own, no.  But add that to all the people that will vote for anything with an "R" next to it, the Dems at least have to run someone that can pull people to the polls.  I am not predicting he'll coast to re-election.  But I am saying that re-election is possible and more possible than the left acknowledges.  If you could show me a future in which he does coast to re-election, I would not be surprised.

There are some wild cards that could prove my fears unfounded:

• The Dems won't be running a woman (anecdotally, that mattered) who's been hated for nearly three decades.  (Well, I hope not; to run her again would be bordering on treasonous)
• It's been slower than I hoped, but there are some Republicans who are just starting to distance themselves.  At some point, he may make a huge blunder that expedites it (though you'd think some of the things he's said, such as "heroes don't get captured" would have done the trick).
• The investigations.  They are off the radar and it's personally hard for me to imagine anything coming from them (just my gut, admittedly)

The other thing is that all he cares about is his own popularity.  That's it.  So what will he do to enhance that?  What's the one thing that always makes a president more popular (for a while, anyway)?  I'm sure the White House is already talking about the ideal timing for a war with North Korea to maintain his popularity into the election.  Boy, you have to be pretty cynical to think someone would be that cavalier with so many lives just for his popularity...well, I am.

I'm sorry but I think your read on things is really off. Why would his base, which is already shrinking (you fail to acknowledge this) continue to back him up if nothing gets done? There's plenty of polls out there that indicate his base is already tired of his stupid antics on twitter and his presidency has just gotten started. Imagine how much more annoyed they will be in another 7 months...

And of course it is possible he could win but it's unlikely and ou're kind of ignoring everything I've said about the trends in his numbers.They do not lie. It seems like 7 years but it is only 7 months and his approvals are already at historic lows and falling, not bottoming out. I cannot stress enough that they are trending so badly for him and it is SO early in his presidency. His base is starting to erode as well.

And your wild cards are funny to me because they are not wild cards at all. They are actual legitimate reasons against him prevailing.
-Dems will surely nominate someone better than one of the worst candidates ever to go against him.
-Slower than you hoped? Okay....again it is only 7 months into his first year. That list will go up as his numbers go down, especially in a mid term year next year.
-And if the investigations are under the radar to you, perhaps you're not paying enough attention to them.

I'm sure cooler heads will prevail with North Korea. Going to war there has no upside for us. The grown ups around the president understand this. Trump will continue to look more and more stupid as they will continue to defy his twitter tough guy threats because they know we're not going to war there.

It's good to be cynical, but not at the expense of reality.

Go Beavers

Onwis, your observations and conclusions don't really seem to be based in reality. trump barely scraped by in the election against an unpopular opponent. People's reactions to him since are even more negative. Richard Spencer? Seriously? We already have a white supremacist president right now (who isn't saying he is publicly) and the whole thing is gradually going down the shitter. 

The Juggler

2019

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/348653-mueller-working-with-new-york-attorney-general-in-manafort

PJfanwillneverleave1

Go Beavers said:

Onwis, your observations and conclusions don't really seem to be based in reality. trump barely scraped by in the election against an unpopular opponent. People's reactions to him since are even more negative. Richard Spencer? Seriously? We already have a white supremacist president right now (who isn't saying he is publicly) and the whole thing is gradually going down the shitter. 

Onwis, keep posting your thoughts.  Just because someone says they are not based in reality does not make it so.  Your opinions are always welcome. 

The Juggler

2019

The Juggler said:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/348653-mueller-working-with-new-york-attorney-general-in-manafort

By the way--this is a huge deal. Trump cannot pardon someone brought up on state charges. Imagine his reaction when someone tells him this. 

PJfanwillneverleave1

I find it interesting that no one can answer if the President is allowed to pardon himself.