***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

Go Beavers

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^

I know that.  It won't work again though.  There is not even a whisper of who will be the next Democrat to take on President Trump.  W/out that whisper somewhere shows that the party is in shambles and will throw up an "Anything but Trump candidate" not a real viable for change candidate.

Do you have the Google Machine in Canada? That was so hard:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/311436-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-in-2020

Oprah Winfrey is on the list?  You guys are in trouble.

I didn't make the list. The information you seek is out there. Like the truth.

You didn't make the list but you post it like it is the official list. Once you read it further it is all speculation. That article might as well have had 100 people listed and would have the same effect - zero. 
If your list is so official who do you support from it?

Oh look, another list:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/2020-democrats-donald-trump/

That's a depressing list.  No wonder we ended up with this idiot president.  To be fair, I'm not really a fan of any politician these days so I'm probably being overly critical.  But Bernie Sanders?  Elizabeth Warren?  This is how the democrats think they win the presidency back?  Really?  Haven't they been paying attention?

Yep.  Not a single one of them can beat Trump.  Biden if he were younger.  Otherwise, forget it.  That election is already over.

Sanders would've pretty easily beat trump. I don't know why you think he wouldn't have. 

How do you figure? Would he have stolen votes from trump? Or do you think people stayed home instead of going to the polls for Hillary?

csuse I don't think he takes many of any votes from trump. So if there are lots of people that stayed home then this last election is on them.

Because he was up by 10 to 12 points on trump consistently in the polls. Turnout would've been higher for him. He would've taken all of Jill Stien's votes and some of Johnson's. He would've easily taken all of the Midwest except Indiana, and gotten the rest of Clinton's states. 

I don't think there was anything easy about him being elected.  Could have happened...but certainly not definite.  Heck - I voted for Hillary (to vote against trump)...and if Bernie was running I would have voted for Gary Johnson.

Of course it's not 100% definite, but I'm not going to pick Chaminade to beat North Carolina in the tourney, either. 

OnWis97

"THE FIELD"

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^

I know that.  It won't work again though.  There is not even a whisper of who will be the next Democrat to take on President Trump.  W/out that whisper somewhere shows that the party is in shambles and will throw up an "Anything but Trump candidate" not a real viable for change candidate.

Do you have the Google Machine in Canada? That was so hard:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/311436-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-in-2020

Oprah Winfrey is on the list?  You guys are in trouble.

I didn't make the list. The information you seek is out there. Like the truth.

You didn't make the list but you post it like it is the official list. Once you read it further it is all speculation. That article might as well have had 100 people listed and would have the same effect - zero. 
If your list is so official who do you support from it?

Oh look, another list:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/2020-democrats-donald-trump/

That's a depressing list.  No wonder we ended up with this idiot president.  To be fair, I'm not really a fan of any politician these days so I'm probably being overly critical.  But Bernie Sanders?  Elizabeth Warren?  This is how the democrats think they win the presidency back?  Really?  Haven't they been paying attention?

Yep.  Not a single one of them can beat Trump.  Biden if he were younger.  Otherwise, forget it.  That election is already over.

Sanders would've pretty easily beat trump. I don't know why you think he wouldn't have. 

How do you figure? Would he have stolen votes from trump? Or do you think people stayed home instead of going to the polls for Hillary?

csuse I don't think he takes many of any votes from trump. So if there are lots of people that stayed home then this last election is on them.

I don't think he would have.  But it is possible.  I think the election was to a degree a reflection of how hated Hilary was for 25 years.  It was an arrogant and stupid move by the party to think it was her chance and that Trump did not stand a chance.

Would Sanders have stolen votes from Trump?  Probably not.  Would anti-Trump turnout have increased to the point of turning it?  I tend to doubt it, but maybe.  Ultimately he was viewed as "too liberal," not to mention Jewish.  I think the lost votes for that would have made up for the turnout votes.  But who knows?

As to 2020, the Democrats don't have a deep bench and I'm not seeing a viable candidate.  Trump is, at least by default, probably not going to be beatable.

Cliffy6745

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^

I know that.  It won't work again though.  There is not even a whisper of who will be the next Democrat to take on President Trump.  W/out that whisper somewhere shows that the party is in shambles and will throw up an "Anything but Trump candidate" not a real viable for change candidate.

Do you have the Google Machine in Canada? That was so hard:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/311436-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-in-2020

Oprah Winfrey is on the list?  You guys are in trouble.

I didn't make the list. The information you seek is out there. Like the truth.

You didn't make the list but you post it like it is the official list. Once you read it further it is all speculation. That article might as well have had 100 people listed and would have the same effect - zero. 
If your list is so official who do you support from it?

Oh look, another list:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/2020-democrats-donald-trump/

That's a depressing list.  No wonder we ended up with this idiot president.  To be fair, I'm not really a fan of any politician these days so I'm probably being overly critical.  But Bernie Sanders?  Elizabeth Warren?  This is how the democrats think they win the presidency back?  Really?  Haven't they been paying attention?

Yep.  Not a single one of them can beat Trump.  Biden if he were younger.  Otherwise, forget it.  That election is already over.

Sanders would've pretty easily beat trump. I don't know why you think he wouldn't have. 

How do you figure? Would he have stolen votes from trump? Or do you think people stayed home instead of going to the polls for Hillary?

csuse I don't think he takes many of any votes from trump. So if there are lots of people that stayed home then this last election is on them.

I don't think he would have.  But it is possible.  I think the election was to a degree a reflection of how hated Hilary was for 25 years.  It was an arrogant and stupid move by the party to think it was her chance and that Trump did not stand a chance.

Would Sanders have stolen votes from Trump?  Probably not.  Would anti-Trump turnout have increased to the point of turning it?  I tend to doubt it, but maybe.  Ultimately he was viewed as "too liberal," not to mention Jewish.  I think the lost votes for that would have made up for the turnout votes.  But who knows?

As to 2020, the Democrats don't have a deep bench and I'm not seeing a viable candidate.  Trump is, at least by default, probably not going to be beatable.

Who saw Obama coming in 2005? No one knew who he was before the convention speech.

Go Beavers

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^

I know that.  It won't work again though.  There is not even a whisper of who will be the next Democrat to take on President Trump.  W/out that whisper somewhere shows that the party is in shambles and will throw up an "Anything but Trump candidate" not a real viable for change candidate.

Do you have the Google Machine in Canada? That was so hard:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/311436-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-in-2020

Oprah Winfrey is on the list?  You guys are in trouble.

I didn't make the list. The information you seek is out there. Like the truth.

You didn't make the list but you post it like it is the official list. Once you read it further it is all speculation. That article might as well have had 100 people listed and would have the same effect - zero. 
If your list is so official who do you support from it?

Oh look, another list:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/2020-democrats-donald-trump/

That's a depressing list.  No wonder we ended up with this idiot president.  To be fair, I'm not really a fan of any politician these days so I'm probably being overly critical.  But Bernie Sanders?  Elizabeth Warren?  This is how the democrats think they win the presidency back?  Really?  Haven't they been paying attention?

Yep.  Not a single one of them can beat Trump.  Biden if he were younger.  Otherwise, forget it.  That election is already over.

Sanders would've pretty easily beat trump. I don't know why you think he wouldn't have. 

How do you figure? Would he have stolen votes from trump? Or do you think people stayed home instead of going to the polls for Hillary?

csuse I don't think he takes many of any votes from trump. So if there are lots of people that stayed home then this last election is on them.

I don't think he would have.  But it is possible.  I think the election was to a degree a reflection of how hated Hilary was for 25 years.  It was an arrogant and stupid move by the party to think it was her chance and that Trump did not stand a chance.

Would Sanders have stolen votes from Trump?  Probably not.  Would anti-Trump turnout have increased to the point of turning it?  I tend to doubt it, but maybe.  Ultimately he was viewed as "too liberal," not to mention Jewish.  I think the lost votes for that would have made up for the turnout votes.  But who knows?

As to 2020, the Democrats don't have a deep bench and I'm not seeing a viable candidate.  Trump is, at least by default, probably not going to be beatable.

Then why do you think Sanders had such a big lead on trump in any head to head poll with trump?

cincybearcat

2018

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^

I know that.  It won't work again though.  There is not even a whisper of who will be the next Democrat to take on President Trump.  W/out that whisper somewhere shows that the party is in shambles and will throw up an "Anything but Trump candidate" not a real viable for change candidate.

Do you have the Google Machine in Canada? That was so hard:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/311436-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-in-2020

Oprah Winfrey is on the list?  You guys are in trouble.

I didn't make the list. The information you seek is out there. Like the truth.

You didn't make the list but you post it like it is the official list. Once you read it further it is all speculation. That article might as well have had 100 people listed and would have the same effect - zero. 
If your list is so official who do you support from it?

Oh look, another list:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/2020-democrats-donald-trump/

That's a depressing list.  No wonder we ended up with this idiot president.  To be fair, I'm not really a fan of any politician these days so I'm probably being overly critical.  But Bernie Sanders?  Elizabeth Warren?  This is how the democrats think they win the presidency back?  Really?  Haven't they been paying attention?

Yep.  Not a single one of them can beat Trump.  Biden if he were younger.  Otherwise, forget it.  That election is already over.

Sanders would've pretty easily beat trump. I don't know why you think he wouldn't have. 

How do you figure? Would he have stolen votes from trump? Or do you think people stayed home instead of going to the polls for Hillary?

csuse I don't think he takes many of any votes from trump. So if there are lots of people that stayed home then this last election is on them.

Because he was up by 10 to 12 points on trump consistently in the polls. Turnout would've been higher for him. He would've taken all of Jill Stien's votes and some of Johnson's. He would've easily taken all of the Midwest except Indiana, and gotten the rest of Clinton's states. 

I don't think there was anything easy about him being elected.  Could have happened...but certainly not definite.  Heck - I voted for Hillary (to vote against trump)...and if Bernie was running I would have voted for Gary Johnson.

Of course it's not 100% definite, but I'm not going to pick Chaminade to beat North Carolina in the tourney, either. 

Dude - Bernie v Trump is more like a NCAA play-in game .... so tell me who you got?  New Orleans or Mt St Mary's?

PJ_Soul

2018

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^

I know that.  It won't work again though.  There is not even a whisper of who will be the next Democrat to take on President Trump.  W/out that whisper somewhere shows that the party is in shambles and will throw up an "Anything but Trump candidate" not a real viable for change candidate.

Do you have the Google Machine in Canada? That was so hard:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/311436-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-in-2020

Oprah Winfrey is on the list?  You guys are in trouble.

I didn't make the list. The information you seek is out there. Like the truth.

You didn't make the list but you post it like it is the official list. Once you read it further it is all speculation. That article might as well have had 100 people listed and would have the same effect - zero. 
If your list is so official who do you support from it?

Oh look, another list:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/2020-democrats-donald-trump/

That's a depressing list.  No wonder we ended up with this idiot president.  To be fair, I'm not really a fan of any politician these days so I'm probably being overly critical.  But Bernie Sanders?  Elizabeth Warren?  This is how the democrats think they win the presidency back?  Really?  Haven't they been paying attention?

I'm not even American, and I LOVE Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. If I were American, I'd be campaigning for either one of them. Two absolutely fantastic options for the leadership IMO. I think both are capable of drumming up enough support to win an election. They are both very inspiring people when they speak for their causes. Groundswell. Plus, they actually truly give a shit and want to do the right thing for the country/citizens. That is extremely rare for politics, and now there are two of them at the same time. It's actually a bit stunning to me. I actually wish they were Canadian, lol, but I guess the USA needs them more.

cincybearcat

2018

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^

I know that.  It won't work again though.  There is not even a whisper of who will be the next Democrat to take on President Trump.  W/out that whisper somewhere shows that the party is in shambles and will throw up an "Anything but Trump candidate" not a real viable for change candidate.

Do you have the Google Machine in Canada? That was so hard:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/311436-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-in-2020

Oprah Winfrey is on the list?  You guys are in trouble.

I didn't make the list. The information you seek is out there. Like the truth.

You didn't make the list but you post it like it is the official list. Once you read it further it is all speculation. That article might as well have had 100 people listed and would have the same effect - zero. 
If your list is so official who do you support from it?

Oh look, another list:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/2020-democrats-donald-trump/

That's a depressing list.  No wonder we ended up with this idiot president.  To be fair, I'm not really a fan of any politician these days so I'm probably being overly critical.  But Bernie Sanders?  Elizabeth Warren?  This is how the democrats think they win the presidency back?  Really?  Haven't they been paying attention?

I'm not even American, and I LOVE Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. If I were American, I'd be campaigning for either one of them. Two absolutely fantastic options for the leadership IMO. I think both are capable of drumming up enough support to win an election. They are both very inspiring people when they speak for their causes. Groundswell. Plus, they actually truly give a shit and want to do the right thing for the country/citizens. That is extremely rare for politics, and now there are two of them at the same time. It's actually a bit stunning to me. I actually wish they were Canadian, lol, but I guess the USA needs them more.

I wish they were Canadian too.

Go Beavers

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^

I know that.  It won't work again though.  There is not even a whisper of who will be the next Democrat to take on President Trump.  W/out that whisper somewhere shows that the party is in shambles and will throw up an "Anything but Trump candidate" not a real viable for change candidate.

Do you have the Google Machine in Canada? That was so hard:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/311436-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-in-2020

Oprah Winfrey is on the list?  You guys are in trouble.

I didn't make the list. The information you seek is out there. Like the truth.

You didn't make the list but you post it like it is the official list. Once you read it further it is all speculation. That article might as well have had 100 people listed and would have the same effect - zero. 
If your list is so official who do you support from it?

Oh look, another list:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/2020-democrats-donald-trump/

That's a depressing list.  No wonder we ended up with this idiot president.  To be fair, I'm not really a fan of any politician these days so I'm probably being overly critical.  But Bernie Sanders?  Elizabeth Warren?  This is how the democrats think they win the presidency back?  Really?  Haven't they been paying attention?

Yep.  Not a single one of them can beat Trump.  Biden if he were younger.  Otherwise, forget it.  That election is already over.

Sanders would've pretty easily beat trump. I don't know why you think he wouldn't have. 

How do you figure? Would he have stolen votes from trump? Or do you think people stayed home instead of going to the polls for Hillary?

csuse I don't think he takes many of any votes from trump. So if there are lots of people that stayed home then this last election is on them.

Because he was up by 10 to 12 points on trump consistently in the polls. Turnout would've been higher for him. He would've taken all of Jill Stien's votes and some of Johnson's. He would've easily taken all of the Midwest except Indiana, and gotten the rest of Clinton's states. 

I don't think there was anything easy about him being elected.  Could have happened...but certainly not definite.  Heck - I voted for Hillary (to vote against trump)...and if Bernie was running I would have voted for Gary Johnson.

Of course it's not 100% definite, but I'm not going to pick Chaminade to beat North Carolina in the tourney, either. 

Dude - Bernie v Trump is more like a NCAA play-in game .... so tell me who you got?  New Orleans or Mt St Mary's?

No way. Bernie's old school game is an easy win, even with the scoop shots and underhand free throws. Squecky clean, too. No ncaa violations, unlike trump's  history of giving recruits coke, strippers, and all A's without going to class. 
l

cincybearcat

2018

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:Dude - Bernie v Trump is more like a NCAA play-in game .... so tell me who you got?  New Orleans or Mt St Mary's?

No way. Bernie's old school game is an easy win, even with the scoop shots and underhand free throws. Squecky clean, too. No ncaa violations, unlike trump's  history of giving recruits coke, strippers, and all A's without going to class. 
l

Yeah, when was the last time a squeky team beat the team that provided hookers and A's?

Anyhow - no matter who ends up running against Trump, I'll have to think very long and hard before not voting for them.  Time to register as a D so I can participate in the primary!

Go Beavers

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:Dude - Bernie v Trump is more like a NCAA play-in game .... so tell me who you got?  New Orleans or Mt St Mary's?

No way. Bernie's old school game is an easy win, even with the scoop shots and underhand free throws. Squecky clean, too. No ncaa violations, unlike trump's  history of giving recruits coke, strippers, and all A's without going to class. 
l

Yeah, when was the last time a squeky team beat the team that provided hookers and A's?

Anyhow - no matter who ends up running against Trump, I'll have to think very long and hard before not voting for them.  Time to register as a D so I can participate in the primary!

Just like title victories, presidential wins can be vacated after the fact. 

RiotZact

I think Bernie could have beat Trump, but I think the main point now is that both he and Elizabeth will be too old for people to take seriously in 2020. In my opinion we need to find a younger version of Elizabeth Warren and we'll be good to go. Unfortunately I think they're looking more for "who can make Trump look the worst" instead of "who is the best overall candidate".

Go Beavers

You have to look ahead a bit. trump will probably be gone, so they will likely be running against Pence, who is incompetent in his own ways. There's a good chance we'll be in a recession or on the backside of one. That will then become a more important issue for voters. 

PJ_Soul

2018

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^

I know that.  It won't work again though.  There is not even a whisper of who will be the next Democrat to take on President Trump.  W/out that whisper somewhere shows that the party is in shambles and will throw up an "Anything but Trump candidate" not a real viable for change candidate.

Do you have the Google Machine in Canada? That was so hard:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/311436-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-in-2020

Oprah Winfrey is on the list?  You guys are in trouble.

I didn't make the list. The information you seek is out there. Like the truth.

You didn't make the list but you post it like it is the official list. Once you read it further it is all speculation. That article might as well have had 100 people listed and would have the same effect - zero. 
If your list is so official who do you support from it?

Oh look, another list:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/2020-democrats-donald-trump/

That's a depressing list.  No wonder we ended up with this idiot president.  To be fair, I'm not really a fan of any politician these days so I'm probably being overly critical.  But Bernie Sanders?  Elizabeth Warren?  This is how the democrats think they win the presidency back?  Really?  Haven't they been paying attention?

Yep.  Not a single one of them can beat Trump.  Biden if he were younger.  Otherwise, forget it.  That election is already over.

Sanders would've pretty easily beat trump. I don't know why you think he wouldn't have. 

How do you figure? Would he have stolen votes from trump? Or do you think people stayed home instead of going to the polls for Hillary?

csuse I don't think he takes many of any votes from trump. So if there are lots of people that stayed home then this last election is on them.

Because he was up by 10 to 12 points on trump consistently in the polls. Turnout would've been higher for him. He would've taken all of Jill Stien's votes and some of Johnson's. He would've easily taken all of the Midwest except Indiana, and gotten the rest of Clinton's states. 

I don't think there was anything easy about him being elected.  Could have happened...but certainly not definite.  Heck - I voted for Hillary (to vote against trump)...and if Bernie was running I would have voted for Gary Johnson.

Of course it's not 100% definite, but I'm not going to pick Chaminade to beat North Carolina in the tourney, either. 

Dude - Bernie v Trump is more like a NCAA play-in game .... so tell me who you got?  New Orleans or Mt St Mary's?

No way. Bernie's old school game is an easy win, even with the scoop shots and underhand free throws. Squecky clean, too. No ncaa violations, unlike trump's  history of giving recruits coke, strippers, and all A's without going to class. 
l

Old school? I know what you mean I think -The philosophy behind his game is very old. But the fact that he's doing it is practically groundbreaking again in America. I actually think it's a very modern tactic that works for the younger generations way more.

Go Beavers

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^

I know that.  It won't work again though.  There is not even a whisper of who will be the next Democrat to take on President Trump.  W/out that whisper somewhere shows that the party is in shambles and will throw up an "Anything but Trump candidate" not a real viable for change candidate.

Do you have the Google Machine in Canada? That was so hard:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/311436-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-in-2020

Oprah Winfrey is on the list?  You guys are in trouble.

I didn't make the list. The information you seek is out there. Like the truth.

You didn't make the list but you post it like it is the official list. Once you read it further it is all speculation. That article might as well have had 100 people listed and would have the same effect - zero. 
If your list is so official who do you support from it?

Oh look, another list:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/2020-democrats-donald-trump/

That's a depressing list.  No wonder we ended up with this idiot president.  To be fair, I'm not really a fan of any politician these days so I'm probably being overly critical.  But Bernie Sanders?  Elizabeth Warren?  This is how the democrats think they win the presidency back?  Really?  Haven't they been paying attention?

Yep.  Not a single one of them can beat Trump.  Biden if he were younger.  Otherwise, forget it.  That election is already over.

Sanders would've pretty easily beat trump. I don't know why you think he wouldn't have. 

How do you figure? Would he have stolen votes from trump? Or do you think people stayed home instead of going to the polls for Hillary?

csuse I don't think he takes many of any votes from trump. So if there are lots of people that stayed home then this last election is on them.

Because he was up by 10 to 12 points on trump consistently in the polls. Turnout would've been higher for him. He would've taken all of Jill Stien's votes and some of Johnson's. He would've easily taken all of the Midwest except Indiana, and gotten the rest of Clinton's states. 

I don't think there was anything easy about him being elected.  Could have happened...but certainly not definite.  Heck - I voted for Hillary (to vote against trump)...and if Bernie was running I would have voted for Gary Johnson.

Of course it's not 100% definite, but I'm not going to pick Chaminade to beat North Carolina in the tourney, either. 

Dude - Bernie v Trump is more like a NCAA play-in game .... so tell me who you got?  New Orleans or Mt St Mary's?

No way. Bernie's old school game is an easy win, even with the scoop shots and underhand free throws. Squecky clean, too. No ncaa violations, unlike trump's  history of giving recruits coke, strippers, and all A's without going to class. 
l

Old school? I know what you mean I think -The philosophy behind his game is very old. But the fact that he's doing it is practically groundbreaking again in America. I actually think it's a very modern tactic that works for the younger generations way more.

I agree. That was more coming from me picturing Bernie playing basketball.  

PJ_Soul

2018

RiotZact said:

I think Bernie could have beat Trump, but I think the main point now is that both he and Elizabeth will be too old for people to take seriously in 2020. In my opinion we need to find a younger version of Elizabeth Warren and we'll be good to go. Unfortunately I think they're looking more for "who can make Trump look the worst" instead of "who is the best overall candidate".

Warren is younger than Trump. Bernie is only a few years older. So they are all basically the same age. I don't understand people's attitudes about the age of any of these people, Trump and Hillary included. They are all pretty much the exact same age. It's a bizarre consideration IMO, unless you think they are ALL too old right now, and that alone determines your decision, which it shouldn't. I personally look at the message/political potential only, and assuming they aren't in bad health and about to drop dead, no problem. Sure, youth is surging ahead in international politics, with Canada and France as noteable examples. And that's great IMO. However, I would never reject a great candidate just because they're in their 70s. That is just pure ageism, which I am very much against. Elizabeth Warren, in particular, is in super good shape, and I have no idea how anyone could watch her and think she's too old for the job.

OnWis97

"THE FIELD"

Cliffy6745 said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:?

Yep.  Not a single one of them can beat Trump.  Biden if he were younger.  Otherwise, forget it.  That election is already over.

Sanders would've pretty easily beat trump. I don't know why you think he wouldn't have. 

How do you figure? Would he have stolen votes from trump? Or do you think people stayed home instead of going to the polls for Hillary?

csuse I don't think he takes many of any votes from trump. So if there are lots of people that stayed home then this last election is on them.

I don't think he would have.  But it is possible.  I think the election was to a degree a reflection of how hated Hilary was for 25 years.  It was an arrogant and stupid move by the party to think it was her chance and that Trump did not stand a chance.

Would Sanders have stolen votes from Trump?  Probably not.  Would anti-Trump turnout have increased to the point of turning it?  I tend to doubt it, but maybe.  Ultimately he was viewed as "too liberal," not to mention Jewish.  I think the lost votes for that would have made up for the turnout votes.  But who knows?

As to 2020, the Democrats don't have a deep bench and I'm not seeing a viable candidate.  Trump is, at least by default, probably not going to be beatable.

Who saw Obama coming in 2005? No one knew who he was before the convention speech.

That's a fair point.  If someone's going to beat Trump, it's someone thus far off of that radar.

RiotZact

PJ_Soul said:

RiotZact said:

I think Bernie could have beat Trump, but I think the main point now is that both he and Elizabeth will be too old for people to take seriously in 2020. In my opinion we need to find a younger version of Elizabeth Warren and we'll be good to go. Unfortunately I think they're looking more for "who can make Trump look the worst" instead of "who is the best overall candidate".

Warren is younger than Trump. Bernie is only a few years older. So they are all basically the same age. I don't understand people's attitudes about the age of any of these people, Trump and Hillary included. They are all pretty much the exact same age. It's a bizarre consideration IMO, unless you think they are ALL too old right now, and that alone determines your decision, which it shouldn't. I personally look at the message/political potential only, and assuming they aren't in bad health and about to drop dead, no problem. Sure, youth is surging ahead in international politics, with Canada and France as noteable examples. And that's great IMO. However, I would never reject a great candidate just because they're in their 70s. That is just pure ageism, which I am very much against. Elizabeth Warren, in particular, is in super good shape, and I have no idea how anyone could watch her and think she's too old for the job.

I totally agree with you. I thought I remembered reading that she was Bernie's age but I guess I should fact check before I post. And although I agree with you, there were lots of people saying that they wouldn't vote for Bernie because he was too old, which is completely stupid but it's true. Just like it was stupid that some people were detracted from Hilary because of the emails, but just becuase it's stupid doesn't mean that it's not a factor, because some voters are stupid, or at least are prone to make stupid decisions. 

dignin

Go Beavers said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^

I know that.  It won't work again though.  There is not even a whisper of who will be the next Democrat to take on President Trump.  W/out that whisper somewhere shows that the party is in shambles and will throw up an "Anything but Trump candidate" not a real viable for change candidate.

Do you have the Google Machine in Canada? That was so hard:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/311436-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-in-2020

Oprah Winfrey is on the list?  You guys are in trouble.

I didn't make the list. The information you seek is out there. Like the truth.

You didn't make the list but you post it like it is the official list. Once you read it further it is all speculation. That article might as well have had 100 people listed and would have the same effect - zero. 
If your list is so official who do you support from it?

Oh look, another list:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/2020-democrats-donald-trump/

That's a depressing list.  No wonder we ended up with this idiot president.  To be fair, I'm not really a fan of any politician these days so I'm probably being overly critical.  But Bernie Sanders?  Elizabeth Warren?  This is how the democrats think they win the presidency back?  Really?  Haven't they been paying attention?

Yep.  Not a single one of them can beat Trump.  Biden if he were younger.  Otherwise, forget it.  That election is already over.

Sanders would've pretty easily beat trump. I don't know why you think he wouldn't have. 

How do you figure? Would he have stolen votes from trump? Or do you think people stayed home instead of going to the polls for Hillary?

csuse I don't think he takes many of any votes from trump. So if there are lots of people that stayed home then this last election is on them.

Because he was up by 10 to 12 points on trump consistently in the polls. Turnout would've been higher for him. He would've taken all of Jill Stien's votes and some of Johnson's. He would've easily taken all of the Midwest except Indiana, and gotten the rest of Clinton's states. 

I don't think there was anything easy about him being elected.  Could have happened...but certainly not definite.  Heck - I voted for Hillary (to vote against trump)...and if Bernie was running I would have voted for Gary Johnson.

Of course it's not 100% definite, but I'm not going to pick Chaminade to beat North Carolina in the tourney, either. 

Dude - Bernie v Trump is more like a NCAA play-in game .... so tell me who you got?  New Orleans or Mt St Mary's?

No way. Bernie's old school game is an easy win, even with the scoop shots and underhand free throws. Squecky clean, too. No ncaa violations, unlike trump's  history of giving recruits coke, strippers, and all A's without going to class. 
l

Old school? I know what you mean I think -The philosophy behind his game is very old. But the fact that he's doing it is practically groundbreaking again in America. I actually think it's a very modern tactic that works for the younger generations way more.

I agree. That was more coming from me picturing Bernie playing basketball.  

Go Beavers

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^

I know that.  It won't work again though.  There is not even a whisper of who will be the next Democrat to take on President Trump.  W/out that whisper somewhere shows that the party is in shambles and will throw up an "Anything but Trump candidate" not a real viable for change candidate.

Do you have the Google Machine in Canada? That was so hard:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/311436-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-in-2020

Oprah Winfrey is on the list?  You guys are in trouble.

I didn't make the list. The information you seek is out there. Like the truth.

You didn't make the list but you post it like it is the official list. Once you read it further it is all speculation. That article might as well have had 100 people listed and would have the same effect - zero. 
If your list is so official who do you support from it?

Oh look, another list:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/2020-democrats-donald-trump/

That's a depressing list.  No wonder we ended up with this idiot president.  To be fair, I'm not really a fan of any politician these days so I'm probably being overly critical.  But Bernie Sanders?  Elizabeth Warren?  This is how the democrats think they win the presidency back?  Really?  Haven't they been paying attention?

Yep.  Not a single one of them can beat Trump.  Biden if he were younger.  Otherwise, forget it.  That election is already over.

Sanders would've pretty easily beat trump. I don't know why you think he wouldn't have. 

How do you figure? Would he have stolen votes from trump? Or do you think people stayed home instead of going to the polls for Hillary?

csuse I don't think he takes many of any votes from trump. So if there are lots of people that stayed home then this last election is on them.

Because he was up by 10 to 12 points on trump consistently in the polls. Turnout would've been higher for him. He would've taken all of Jill Stien's votes and some of Johnson's. He would've easily taken all of the Midwest except Indiana, and gotten the rest of Clinton's states. 

I don't think there was anything easy about him being elected.  Could have happened...but certainly not definite.  Heck - I voted for Hillary (to vote against trump)...and if Bernie was running I would have voted for Gary Johnson.

Of course it's not 100% definite, but I'm not going to pick Chaminade to beat North Carolina in the tourney, either. 

Dude - Bernie v Trump is more like a NCAA play-in game .... so tell me who you got?  New Orleans or Mt St Mary's?

No way. Bernie's old school game is an easy win, even with the scoop shots and underhand free throws. Squecky clean, too. No ncaa violations, unlike trump's  history of giving recruits coke, strippers, and all A's without going to class. 
l

Old school? I know what you mean I think -The philosophy behind his game is very old. But the fact that he's doing it is practically groundbreaking again in America. I actually think it's a very modern tactic that works for the younger generations way more.

I agree. That was more coming from me picturing Bernie playing basketball.  

Go Beavers

Nice hops