***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Clinton analogous to if I were to have sex with a college-age intern at work.  It’s not illegal.  But it’s inappropriate and I would deservedly be fired.
    Agreed.  However, would you have been fired in 1997 for that?  Maybe, maybe not?
    Clinton wasn't.....
    But it was the impetus for the whole impeachment inquiry, so clearly it touched off concern. Granted he was ultimately impeached for lying under oath, but that's what led us there.
  • mickeyrat
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    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Clinton analogous to if I were to have sex with a college-age intern at work.  It’s not illegal.  But it’s inappropriate and I would deservedly be fired.
    Agreed.  However, would you have been fired in 1997 for that?  Maybe, maybe not?
    Clinton wasn't.....
    But it was the impetus for the whole impeachment inquiry, so clearly it touched off concern. Granted he was ultimately impeached for lying under oath, but that's what led us there.
    no, a land deal in arkansas led us there......
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  • pjl44
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    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Clinton analogous to if I were to have sex with a college-age intern at work.  It’s not illegal.  But it’s inappropriate and I would deservedly be fired.
    Agreed.  However, would you have been fired in 1997 for that?  Maybe, maybe not?
    Clinton wasn't.....
    But it was the impetus for the whole impeachment inquiry, so clearly it touched off concern. Granted he was ultimately impeached for lying under oath, but that's what led us there.
    no, a land deal in arkansas led us there......
    Was it Whitewater? I need to go back and look at that whole timeline, I guess.
  • tbergs
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    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    pjl44 said:
    1999 roll call vote from the Clinton impeachment to subpoena witnesses and submit new evidence. Look at the 44 Democrats who threatened the underpinnings of our democracy!

    They should definitely be calling witnesses, but just remember this is an age old partisan stunt the next time you light your hair on fire over concern for The Republic.


    i love that you are downplaying the fact that trump has committed actual crimes, and has lied repeatedly about them to cover them up, has withheld evidence, demanded people to defy subpoenas and not testify. this is completely different than the clinton impeachment. so please do not compare apples to oranges.
    Trump is guilty of all of that and should be removed from office. Clinton sexually assaulted an intern and lied about it under oath. There's plenty of room to acknowledge they're both pieces of shit.
    interesting. monica says she was a willing party and willingly  owns her part of that.



    inappropriate conduct with a subordinate absolutely, but if the so called victim in this case doesnt feel she was a victim or victimized in this "relationship" how is it sexual assault?

    now the character assassination after the fact I think was far more harmful to her as she had the whole country in ridicule bully mode.

    look for her ted talks and I think it was vanity fair in 16.
    Yeah, well we also have students of HS teachers who say they consented and them later marry each other, but that doesn't make it right either. I can't believe how many are ok with it as long as Monica isn't saying she was forced. His position mattered in the scenario. She wasn't going to blow the other interns, but if she did, big deal. Position of authority.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Clinton analogous to if I were to have sex with a college-age intern at work.  It’s not illegal.  But it’s inappropriate and I would deservedly be fired.
    Agreed.  However, would you have been fired in 1997 for that?  Maybe, maybe not?
    Probably not, because when you're the president of your company or the USA, whose going to fire you? It's beyond sleazy, but we all know the rich and powerful often don't play by the same rules.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,385
    tbergs said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    pjl44 said:
    1999 roll call vote from the Clinton impeachment to subpoena witnesses and submit new evidence. Look at the 44 Democrats who threatened the underpinnings of our democracy!

    They should definitely be calling witnesses, but just remember this is an age old partisan stunt the next time you light your hair on fire over concern for The Republic.


    i love that you are downplaying the fact that trump has committed actual crimes, and has lied repeatedly about them to cover them up, has withheld evidence, demanded people to defy subpoenas and not testify. this is completely different than the clinton impeachment. so please do not compare apples to oranges.
    Trump is guilty of all of that and should be removed from office. Clinton sexually assaulted an intern and lied about it under oath. There's plenty of room to acknowledge they're both pieces of shit.
    interesting. monica says she was a willing party and willingly  owns her part of that.



    inappropriate conduct with a subordinate absolutely, but if the so called victim in this case doesnt feel she was a victim or victimized in this "relationship" how is it sexual assault?

    now the character assassination after the fact I think was far more harmful to her as she had the whole country in ridicule bully mode.

    look for her ted talks and I think it was vanity fair in 16.
    Yeah, well we also have students of HS teachers who say they consented and them later marry each other, but that doesn't make it right either. I can't believe how many are ok with it as long as Monica isn't saying she was forced. His position mattered in the scenario. She wasn't going to blow the other interns, but if she did, big deal. Position of authority.
    didnt say I was ok with it. But for this specific case her willing conduct should also be considered here... thats all.
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  • tbergs
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    I don't get why people are trying to argue the vote on witnesses for Clinton isn't the same thing as what's happening now. It was a dem president so they voted against it and now it's a repub president so Repubs will vote against. Not hard to see the parallel. Trump is just a larger pile of shit who has done much more than Clinton, but they both should be held accountable. It's just all out hypocrisy. They should all just be voted out. Pocket lined fuckers.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Kat
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    From the former Director of the Office of Government Ethics.




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  • The Juggler
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    HOW IS JOHN BOLTON NOT HOLDING A PRESS CONFERENCE RIGHT NOW?!??!!?

    Come the fuck on!

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    The Juggler said:
    HOW IS JOHN BOLTON NOT HOLDING A PRESS CONFERENCE RIGHT NOW?!??!!?

    Come the fuck on!

    The House should immediately issue subpoenas to all the players involved and immediately fast track it via the courts to the Supreme Court. Lets see how much of a partisan hack Roberts really is. In addition, all of those repub house and senate members involved in the cover up should be non-violently confronted, verbally heckled, ridiculed and refused service everywhere they go in public for being traitors to the Constitution. They, and those who are cheering this on, will rue the day. Cue BS spiking the football when they vote to acquit.
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  • cincybearcat
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    I’m i the only one that thinks both Clinton and trump should have/should be removed from office?
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  • CM189191
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    cincybearcat said:
    I’m i the only one that thinks both Clinton and trump should have/should be removed from office?

    No, there's a good portion of the population that's been horseshoed 

    You're not the only one keeping PT Barnum in business
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
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    CM189191 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    I’m i the only one that thinks both Clinton and trump should have/should be removed from office?

    No, there's a good portion of the population that's been horseshoed 

    You're not the only one keeping PT Barnum in business
    Seems like roundabout name calling. Nicely done. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    cincybearcat said:
    I’m i the only one that thinks both Clinton and trump should have/should be removed from office?
    Clinton's a tough one because by the rule of the law, he was totally guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice. So I get why the Republicans were trying to remove him at the time. They had a good legal case. That said, for me personally, it was just a blowjob. At the time, and now in retrospect, I'm happy he wasn't removed. 

    But if he had been removed, hey, that would have been on him. He could have just told the truth about Lewinsky. 
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  • mrussel1
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    Murkowski... well that about does it.  Maybe Bolton will be called before the House as a PR exercise.  
  • brianlux
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    mrussel1 said:
    Murkowski... well that about does it.  Maybe Bolton will be called before the House as a PR exercise.  

    Murkowski is a big disappointment.  I wonder how much of that is due to pressure or fear?

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  • pjl44
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    cincybearcat said:
    I’m i the only one that thinks both Clinton and trump should have/should be removed from office?
    No, I'm there with you 
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,961
    edited January 2020
    This level of corruption is mind-boggling...and hard to imagine. 



    And all kinds of crazy rationalizing going on.


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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    2018
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    HOW IS JOHN BOLTON NOT HOLDING A PRESS CONFERENCE RIGHT NOW?!??!!?

    Come the fuck on!

    The House should immediately issue subpoenas to all the players involved and immediately fast track it via the courts to the Supreme Court. Lets see how much of a partisan hack Roberts really is. In addition, all of those repub house and senate members involved in the cover up should be non-violently confronted, verbally heckled, ridiculed and refused service everywhere they go in public for being traitors to the Constitution. They, and those who are cheering this on, will rue the day. Cue BS spiking the football when they vote to acquit.
    word up
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    2018
    cincybearcat said:
    I’m i the only one that thinks both Clinton and trump should have/should be removed from office?
    that smirking bastard Clinton really walked a tightrope.

    HE ALSO TESTIFIED.
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