I wish we could re-set the poll: -2019/2020 -Not (lose 2020 election) -2021 to 2024 -5 More Years!
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I think some people are also saying they don't support the inquiry simply because they don't think it will lead to Trump leaving office (and they may well be right obviously) .... I believe they are missing a big part of the point. But that could be another part of why the % of those not supporting it is as high as it is.
That's how I felt during the Russia probe and talk of impeachment. But this Ukrainian thing is so cut-and-dry that I feel removal from office is actually possible. No need for a two-year investigation and 400-page report. He called the Ukrainian president, asked them to investigate Biden's son, and suggested there'd be a reward for doing it. So this actually has a chance. With a public impeachment trial, maybe some of those GOP Senators might actually feel the pressure to vote to remove him. Maybe...
It would take 20 Republican senators, or more if senators in trump states like Manchin are unlikely to vote to remove
I'm trying to think of a way out here for Democrats.
The best idea I have is if the House impeachs, then Biden or the democratic nominee publicly asks the senate not to remove him. As in, "let me at him, I'm gonna kick his butt and the people will vote him out."
I think that could sink Biden. It would be a slap in the Dem Congress's face IMO. The impeachment inquiry had to be launched for the sake of the office of the President, and for a POTUS nominee to then ask a senate that has been proven not to put America's needs over party not to remove a guilty president after impeachment would be a disaster IMO. The Senate will likely not remove him anyway, but why would Biden want to involve himself in thumbing his nose at the Constitution just to try and puff up his chest?
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Shouldn’t Barr just summarize everything as being totally OK? That should be enough for all of this to blow over.
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New CNN poll has 47% support impeachment inquiry AND removal from office...
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CYA Barr cut his teeth and made a name for himself covering for By Gollie Ollie and that true American hero, the original Kelly Ann, Fawn Hall, back when our evil doers were foreign, did shit and were easy to hate. Now? They’re our own, the natural progression of hatred in your heart. Obama, Hillary, Biden? They might be assholes but they’re OUR assholes. There in lies the rub, the shift, the changing of the wind, my friends. Ivanka Darling and Jared Dear Boy best not hope like hickey that an evil dem assumes the presidency. Their pappy be child’s play.
From the official White House email blast. And the DOJ has been fully weaponized, by the way. Maybe we should rename it The Stasi?
First,Democrats in Congress
and their footsoldiers in the mainstream media tried to overturn the 2016
election with an exhausting two-year investigation on alleged Russia
collusion. It ended when a case built entirely on lies and deception
collapsed in embarrassing fashion.
That they tried and
failed already isn’t stopping Congressional Democrats, who
are playing the same political games once again. Armed with a new
fabrication, they’re determined to do what they couldn’t in a fair election:
beat President Donald J. Trump.
Why are
they so scared?
President Trump
promised American citizens that he would fight for them—and, in the process,
drain a swamp that’s served them countless empty promises for years.
Democrats and the media cannot stand that President Trump has exposed their
true colors with simple, brutally effective language that speaks to working
Americans.
Just like last time,
there’s no truth to anything they’re selling. There was no “quid pro quo”
between President Trump and President Zelensky of Ukraine. There was no cover-up
to a now publicly available call. And all this stemmed from the
complaints of an anonymous “whistleblower” who admitted to having no
firsthand knowledge of any of it.
The saddest part
is that this doesn’t hurt President Trump, who won’t suffer in terms of
public opinion facing another witch hunt. The only ones it hurts are the
American people, who once again see their Congress squandering years on
political theater rather than delivering on its promise of an agenda for the
middle class.
It’s a new hoax—in
the same swamp. The good news is that while the left breaks its promises once
again, it will never stop President Trump from keeping his.
I think some people are also saying they don't support the inquiry simply because they don't think it will lead to Trump leaving office (and they may well be right obviously) .... I believe they are missing a big part of the point. But that could be another part of why the % of those not supporting it is as high as it is.
That's how I felt during the Russia probe and talk of impeachment. But this Ukrainian thing is so cut-and-dry that I feel removal from office is actually possible. No need for a two-year investigation and 400-page report. He called the Ukrainian president, asked them to investigate Biden's son, and suggested there'd be a reward for doing it. So this actually has a chance. With a public impeachment trial, maybe some of those GOP Senators might actually feel the pressure to vote to remove him. Maybe...
It would take 20 Republican senators, or more if senators in trump states like Manchin are unlikely to vote to remove
I'm trying to think of a way out here for Democrats.
The best idea I have is if the House impeachs, then Biden or the democratic nominee publicly asks the senate not to remove him. As in, "let me at him, I'm gonna kick his butt and the people will vote him out."
I think that could sink Biden. It would be a slap in the Dem Congress's face IMO. The impeachment inquiry had to be launched for the sake of the office of the President, and for a POTUS nominee to then ask a senate that has been proven not to put America's needs over party not to remove a guilty president after impeachment would be a disaster IMO. The Senate will likely not remove him anyway, but why would Biden want to involve himself in thumbing his nose at the Constitution just to try and puff up his chest?
Let me rephrase, ask Pelosi to delay the impeachment vote.
It seems a not guilty senate verdict may give trump momentum right before the election
Pelosi and dems need to keep a careful eye on public support for impeachment. If independent support fades as it did for the Mueller investigation, it could spell doom for election day.
Wouldnt be suprised if we get some kind of update into one of these Barr investigations soon. The conveniently timed distraction is probably right around the corner...
I don’t give a fuck if Impeachment gives this idiot another term nothing is guaranteed with the elections being compromised that’s already in the works !
The State Department’s inspector general is expected to brief staffers from several House and Senate committees on Wednesday afternoon about documents obtained from the department’s Office of the Legal Adviser concerning documents related to the State Department and Ukraine, sources familiar with the planned briefing told ABC News.
Details of the briefing, expected to be conducted by Steve Linick, the inspector general at State, remain unknown. Linick is expected to meet with congressional staff in a secure location on Capitol Hill.
Maddow was on Colbert last night and mentioned that there is another whistleblower complaint that is working its way to being released from Ways & Means regarding his tax returns. It was in the 3rd segment of the interview if you want to search for it.
Maddow was on Colbert last night and mentioned that there is another whistleblower complaint that is working its way to being released from Ways & Means regarding his tax returns. It was in the 3rd segment of the interview if you want to search for it.
Maddow was on Colbert last night and mentioned that there is another whistleblower complaint that is working its way to being released from Ways & Means regarding his tax returns. It was in the 3rd segment of the interview if you want to search for it.
Why isn't this is a huge story?
Timing is everything. It’s been reported on going back a month or two. This is really where the shizzy hits the fan. Evidence the Secretary of Treasury, with or without the direction of Team Trump Treason, interfering with long standing IRS audit department policies and procedures to delay or quash an audits findings and share them with the house, as requested and as the law requires. The “why” of why they quashed it is where Team Trump Treason goes to prison. The whistle blower and house oversight are probably negotiating the best way to release the nefarious doings without violating the law and procedure. Tax return information is not generally available to the public.
itz very simplez, you’z holdz up zee militaryz funding for Zee Ukrainez or wez releaze zee ptapez and youz blame zee Bidenz for plauzible deniabilitez. Understandz zee?
Donald Trump's defenders are running damage control as the president faces impeachment inquiry from the House of Representatives. The president is contending with allegations that he tried to pressure Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky into investigating former vice president Joe Biden and his son Hunter's business connections. Since a call memo and whistleblower's complaint supporting that claim came out, his supporters have been making a concerted effort to downplay, dismiss, or deflect the allegations, as Robert Jeffress, a Baptist pastor and Fox News host, did on Sunday. In a lengthy tweet thread, Trump quoted Jeffress's defense of him, apparently adding his own thoughts in parentheses.
"I have never seen the Evangelical Christians more angry over any issue than this attempt to illegitimately remove this President from office, overturn the 2016 Election and negate the votes of millions of Evangelicals in the process. They know the only Impeachable offense that President Trump has committed was beating Hillary Clinton in 2016. That’s the unpardonable sin for which the Democrats will never forgive him. If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal."
....Election, and negate the votes of millions of Evangelicals in the process. They know the only Impeachable offense that President Trump has committed was beating Hillary Clinton in 2016. That’s the unpardonable sin for which the Democrats will never forgive him.....
....If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal.” Pastor Robert Jeffress, @FoxNews
Jeffress, an early supporter of Trump's presidential campaign, has a long history as a culture war figure, claiming Islam is "a religion that promotes pedophilia," calling the Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage "the greatest, most historic, landmark blunder in the history of the United States Supreme Court," and declaring that God allowed the September 11 terrorist attacks because of abortion. Right Wing Watch reported that Jeffress appeared at an event in Tennessee this past weekend and said, "There is no such thing as a separation of church and state in the Constitution." He added, "We have allowed the secularists, the atheists, the humanists to hijack our Constitution and pervert it into something our forefathers never intended."
Trump's tweets warning of a Evangelical-led civil war resonated in one particular corner. The Oath Keepers, a right-wing, anti-government militia, retweeted Trump, saying, "This whole thread is important to read. The term 'civil war' is increasingly on people’s tongue. And not just 'cold civil war'—full-blown 'hot' civil war. Fact is patriots consider the left to be domestic enemies of the Constitution bent on the destruction of the Republic."
In a follow-up tweet, Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes wrote, "Here’s the money quote from that thread. This is the truth. This is where we are. We ARE on the verge of a HOT civil war. Like in 1859. That’s where we are. And the Right has ZERO trust or respect for anything the left is doing. We see THEM as illegitimate too."
The Oath Keepers have vowed to come to Trump's aid before. Shortly before the 2016 election, when most polls predicted him losing to Hillary Clinton, Trump declared that the only way he would lose is if there were massive voter fraud, and he called on his supporters to police their polling locations. As Vox reported at the time, the group issued a "call to action" for its members to "help prevent criminal vote fraud and attempted criminal voter intimidation on election day."
But while Trump is still beloved by far-right figures like Jeffress and Rhodes, his seeming endorsement of a call to civil war is alienating to some relatively moderate Republicans. Congressman Adam Kinzinger of Illinois tweeted, "I have visited nations ravaged by civil war. @realDonaldTrump I have never imagined such a quote to be repeated by a President. This is beyond repugnant."
Maddow was on Colbert last night and mentioned that there is another whistleblower complaint that is working its way to being released from Ways & Means regarding his tax returns. It was in the 3rd segment of the interview if you want to search for it.
Why isn't this is a huge story?
Just so many tentacles to this whole chapter that’s part of the Impeachment process HF2TM was correct all along ! Here we are on the road to Impeachment..
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-2019/2020
-Not (lose 2020 election)
-2021 to 2024
-5 More Years!
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I’m looking forward to the hearings, plural.
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First, Democrats in Congress and their footsoldiers in the mainstream media tried to overturn the 2016 election with an exhausting two-year investigation on alleged Russia collusion. It ended when a case built entirely on lies and deception collapsed in embarrassing fashion.
That they tried and failed already isn’t stopping Congressional Democrats, who are playing the same political games once again. Armed with a new fabrication, they’re determined to do what they couldn’t in a fair election: beat President Donald J. Trump.
Why are they so scared?
President Trump promised American citizens that he would fight for them—and, in the process, drain a swamp that’s served them countless empty promises for years. Democrats and the media cannot stand that President Trump has exposed their true colors with simple, brutally effective language that speaks to working Americans.
Just like last time, there’s no truth to anything they’re selling. There was no “quid pro quo” between President Trump and President Zelensky of Ukraine. There was no cover-up to a now publicly available call. And all this stemmed from the complaints of an anonymous “whistleblower” who admitted to having no firsthand knowledge of any of it.
The saddest part is that this doesn’t hurt President Trump, who won’t suffer in terms of public opinion facing another witch hunt. The only ones it hurts are the American people, who once again see their Congress squandering years on political theater rather than delivering on its promise of an agenda for the middle class.
It’s a new hoax—in the same swamp. The good news is that while the left breaks its promises once again, it will never stop President Trump from keeping his.
The Washington Times: “After failing on Russia, Democrats try a new hoax”
Coincidence? “Intel community secretly gutted requirement of first-hand whistleblower knowledge”
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Let me rephrase, ask Pelosi to delay the impeachment vote.
It seems a not guilty senate verdict may give trump momentum right before the election
Pelosi and dems need to keep a careful eye on public support for impeachment. If independent support fades as it did for the Mueller investigation, it could spell doom for election day.
The State Department’s inspector general is expected to brief staffers from several House and Senate committees on Wednesday afternoon about documents obtained from the department’s Office of the Legal Adviser concerning documents related to the State Department and Ukraine, sources familiar with the planned briefing told ABC News.
Details of the briefing, expected to be conducted by Steve Linick, the inspector general at State, remain unknown. Linick is expected to meet with congressional staff in a secure location on Capitol Hill.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/state-dept-inspector-general-expected-urgent-ukraine-briefing/story?id=65991911
Seems the only fruit that falls is from the poisonous Team Trump Treason Tree.
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itz very simplez, you’z holdz up zee militaryz funding for Zee Ukrainez or wez releaze zee ptapez and youz blame zee Bidenz for plauzible deniabilitez. Understandz zee?
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Great.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-putin-idUSKBN1WH1GH
Donald Trump's defenders are running damage control as the president faces impeachment inquiry from the House of Representatives. The president is contending with allegations that he tried to pressure Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky into investigating former vice president Joe Biden and his son Hunter's business connections. Since a call memo and whistleblower's complaint supporting that claim came out, his supporters have been making a concerted effort to downplay, dismiss, or deflect the allegations, as Robert Jeffress, a Baptist pastor and Fox News host, did on Sunday. In a lengthy tweet thread, Trump quoted Jeffress's defense of him, apparently adding his own thoughts in parentheses.
....If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal.” Pastor Robert Jeffress, @FoxNews
Jeffress, an early supporter of Trump's presidential campaign, has a long history as a culture war figure, claiming Islam is "a religion that promotes pedophilia," calling the Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage "the greatest, most historic, landmark blunder in the history of the United States Supreme Court," and declaring that God allowed the September 11 terrorist attacks because of abortion. Right Wing Watch reported that Jeffress appeared at an event in Tennessee this past weekend and said, "There is no such thing as a separation of church and state in the Constitution." He added, "We have allowed the secularists, the atheists, the humanists to hijack our Constitution and pervert it into something our forefathers never intended."
Trump's tweets warning of a Evangelical-led civil war resonated in one particular corner. The Oath Keepers, a right-wing, anti-government militia, retweeted Trump, saying, "This whole thread is important to read. The term 'civil war' is increasingly on people’s tongue. And not just 'cold civil war'—full-blown 'hot' civil war. Fact is patriots consider the left to be domestic enemies of the Constitution bent on the destruction of the Republic."
In a follow-up tweet, Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes wrote, "Here’s the money quote from that thread. This is the truth. This is where we are. We ARE on the verge of a HOT civil war. Like in 1859. That’s where we are. And the Right has ZERO trust or respect for anything the left is doing. We see THEM as illegitimate too."
The Oath Keepers have vowed to come to Trump's aid before. Shortly before the 2016 election, when most polls predicted him losing to Hillary Clinton, Trump declared that the only way he would lose is if there were massive voter fraud, and he called on his supporters to police their polling locations. As Vox reported at the time, the group issued a "call to action" for its members to "help prevent criminal vote fraud and attempted criminal voter intimidation on election day."
But while Trump is still beloved by far-right figures like Jeffress and Rhodes, his seeming endorsement of a call to civil war is alienating to some relatively moderate Republicans. Congressman Adam Kinzinger of Illinois tweeted, "I have visited nations ravaged by civil war. @realDonaldTrump I have never imagined such a quote to be repeated by a President. This is beyond repugnant."
https://www.gq.com/story/trump-civil-war-militia?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=pol&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_mailing=Thematic_Ballot_10012019&utm_medium=email&bxid=5be9f2002ddf9c72dc862518&cndid=51922447&utm_content=Final&utm_term=Thematic_Ballot_Subscribers
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At least according to breitbart..
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