Obamacare is a mess

dignin

unsung

Pre-existing conditions being covered is not insurance. 

rgambs

I think my an-cap translator is broken.

unsung

That is your common sense translator.

rgambs

unsung said:

Pre-existing conditions being covered is not insurance. 

This statement doesn't make sense without any context.
Are you saying that the coverage of pre-existing conditions is incompatible with insurance?
Are you saying that having insurance is not contingent on having coverage of pre-existing conditions? 
Are you saying something else?

unsung

I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions.  Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary.  Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad?  No, you don't.  You use insurance if you get in a wreck.  

Same goes for healthcare.  If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it.  Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.

Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer?  What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?  

So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate.  Call it what it really is, a gift.

rgambs

unsung said:

I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions.  Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary.  Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad?  No, you don't.  You use insurance if you get in a wreck.  

Same goes for healthcare.  If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it.  Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.

Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer?  What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?  

So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate.  Call it what it really is, a gift.

Ah I see.
That doesn't make sense in any real world scenarios, but at least I know what you meant now.

oftenreading

unsung said:

I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions.  Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary.  Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad?  No, you don't.  You use insurance if you get in a wreck.  

Same goes for healthcare.  If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it.  Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.

Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer?  What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?  

So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate.  Call it what it really is, a gift.

Thought process brought to you by the far right.

"I know! Let's call it health insurance, rather than health care. Then the focus is on the insurance companies, and they get to make a ton of money, like all insurance companies. And when people expect to have their health care needs covered, we'll just tell them it's insurance so don't expect to get covered".

Meanwhile, in the rest of the sane world, it's called health care and people who get sick are covered, regardless of why they got sick. Because all of us eventually get sick, unless we just plain die first.

dignin

unsung said:

I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions.  Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary.  Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad?  No, you don't.  You use insurance if you get in a wreck.  

Same goes for healthcare.  If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it.  Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.

Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer?  What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?  

So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate.  Call it what it really is, a gift.

 

Fiscally it makes more sense to do a regular oil change on your car than to wait for catastrophic engine failure when your engine seizes up.

Preventative health care is cheaper than emergency health care.

unsung

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions.  Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary.  Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad?  No, you don't.  You use insurance if you get in a wreck.  

Same goes for healthcare.  If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it.  Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.

Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer?  What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?  

So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate.  Call it what it really is, a gift.

Thought process brought to you by the far right.

"I know! Let's call it health insurance, rather than health care. Then the focus is on the insurance companies, and they get to make a ton of money, like all insurance companies. And when people expect to have their health care needs covered, we'll just tell them it's insurance so don't expect to get covered".

Meanwhile, in the rest of the sane world, it's called health care and people who get sick are covered, regardless of why they got sick. Because all of us eventually get sick, unless we just plain die first.

Nobody has denied anyone health care.

unsung

dignin said:

unsung said:

I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions.  Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary.  Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad?  No, you don't.  You use insurance if you get in a wreck.  

Same goes for healthcare.  If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it.  Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.

Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer?  What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?  

So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate.  Call it what it really is, a gift.

 

Fiscally it makes more sense to do a regular oil change on your car than to wait for catastrophic engine failure when your engine seizes up.

Preventative health care is cheaper than emergency health care.

Having a healthy lifestyle is cheaper than that.

rgambs

unsung said:

dignin said:

unsung said:

I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions.  Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary.  Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad?  No, you don't.  You use insurance if you get in a wreck.  

Same goes for healthcare.  If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it.  Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.

Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer?  What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?  

So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate.  Call it what it really is, a gift.

 

Fiscally it makes more sense to do a regular oil change on your car than to wait for catastrophic engine failure when your engine seizes up.

Preventative health care is cheaper than emergency health care.

Having a healthy lifestyle is cheaper than that.

Yeah that's real fucking rich, what a fuckhead thing to say in a public forum where there are people who have children born with diseases and disabilities.
It doesn't matter to Unsung if it doesn't effect Unsung.

RiotZact

Not to mention the fact that healthy food is more expensive and hard to find in poor neighborhoods, so the people that are least likely to be able to afford quality health insurance are also the least likely to be able to access/afford quality/healthy food. But fuck those kids, they should know better to be born into those poor families. 

Go Beavers

unsung said:

I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions.  Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary.  Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad?  No, you don't.  You use insurance if you get in a wreck.  

Same goes for healthcare.  If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it.  Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.

Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer?  What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?  

So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate.  Call it what it really is, a gift.

If you're going to compare to car insurance, then you know you're subsidizing others poor driving, right?

bootlegger10

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions.  Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary.  Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad?  No, you don't.  You use insurance if you get in a wreck.  

Same goes for healthcare.  If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it.  Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.

Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer?  What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?  

So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate.  Call it what it really is, a gift.

Thought process brought to you by the far right.

"I know! Let's call it health insurance, rather than health care. Then the focus is on the insurance companies, and they get to make a ton of money, like all insurance companies. And when people expect to have their health care needs covered, we'll just tell them it's insurance so don't expect to get covered".

Meanwhile, in the rest of the sane world, it's called health care and people who get sick are covered, regardless of why they got sick. Because all of us eventually get sick, unless we just plain die first.

Nobody has denied anyone health care.

What is the problem then if no one is denied healthcare?

HughFreakingDillon

rgambs said:

unsung said:

dignin said:

unsung said:

I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions.  Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary.  Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad?  No, you don't.  You use insurance if you get in a wreck.  

Same goes for healthcare.  If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it.  Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.

Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer?  What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?  

So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate.  Call it what it really is, a gift.

 

Fiscally it makes more sense to do a regular oil change on your car than to wait for catastrophic engine failure when your engine seizes up.

Preventative health care is cheaper than emergency health care.

Having a healthy lifestyle is cheaper than that.

Yeah that's real fucking rich, what a fuckhead thing to say in a public forum where there are people who have children born with diseases and disabilities.
It doesn't matter to Unsung if it doesn't effect Unsung.

yeah, if i lived in the US, our family would eventually be homeless and my daughter would be dead. 

#MAGA

rgambs

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Don't worry, an altered photograph of a healthcare receipt is forthcoming to show that every taker gets what they need at the expense of one of our industrious makers!

unsung

bootlegger10 said:

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions.  Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary.  Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad?  No, you don't.  You use insurance if you get in a wreck.  

Same goes for healthcare.  If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it.  Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.

Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer?  What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?  

So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate.  Call it what it really is, a gift.

Thought process brought to you by the far right.

"I know! Let's call it health insurance, rather than health care. Then the focus is on the insurance companies, and they get to make a ton of money, like all insurance companies. And when people expect to have their health care needs covered, we'll just tell them it's insurance so don't expect to get covered".

Meanwhile, in the rest of the sane world, it's called health care and people who get sick are covered, regardless of why they got sick. Because all of us eventually get sick, unless we just plain die first.

Nobody has denied anyone health care.

What is the problem then if no one is denied healthcare?

Again, why should people subsidize poor life decisions of others?

Why should I be forced to pay for someone's cancer when they smoked for thirty years?

And don't give me the childhood illnesses either, I haven't heard anyone dispute that.

unsung

rgambs said:

unsung said:

dignin said:

unsung said:

I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions.  Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary.  Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad?  No, you don't.  You use insurance if you get in a wreck.  

Same goes for healthcare.  If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it.  Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.

Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer?  What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?  

So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate.  Call it what it really is, a gift.

 

Fiscally it makes more sense to do a regular oil change on your car than to wait for catastrophic engine failure when your engine seizes up.

Preventative health care is cheaper than emergency health care.

Having a healthy lifestyle is cheaper than that.

Yeah that's real fucking rich, what a fuckhead thing to say in a public forum where there are people who have children born with diseases and disabilities.
It doesn't matter to Unsung if it doesn't effect Unsung.

Whatever.  Nobody has said that.  Cut the drama.

unsung

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

I am saying that by definition insurance can't cover pre-existing conditions.  Insurance is supposed to be used if necessary.  Do you use insurance on your car if the battery goes bad?  No, you don't.  You use insurance if you get in a wreck.  

Same goes for healthcare.  If I am going in for a checkup I should have to pay directly for it.  Insurance should be there for if you have an emergency or have a life threatening illness.

Should I have to subsidize a thirty year smoker because they got lung cancer?  What about someone who has severe diabetes because they weigh 400lbs?  

So saying that those with pre-existing problems should be covered by insurance is technically inaccurate.  Call it what it really is, a gift.

If you're going to compare to car insurance, then you know you're subsidizing others poor driving, right?

Car insurance isn't used for every single issue a car has, as I have already explained.