Springsteen at Australia Concert: 'We Stand Before You Embarrassed Americans'

mrussel1

my2hands said:

Beef with John Wayne? Fucking commie

I'll start smoking reds in his honor. 

cincybearcat

njnancy said:

cincybearcat said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

I loved reading this thread! Buck, you rock- fuck Bruce, his music is a dumpster fire and no one cares what he says.

And by the way you shoot like me, you put too much finger on the trigger.  Lay off a bit and exhale before each shot.

Expect that his last tour in 14 was the highest grossing tour in the world that year... but sure no one cares.  

Only thing I expect is for him to keep making boring music for old people 

Hahahaha I agree

Neither of you have ever been to a Springsteen concert and looked at the crowd I'm guessing.

Bruce Springsteen is 69 years old and has been making albums since 1973. Pearl Jam grew up listening to Bruce Springsteen, along with other artists of the 60's, 70's and 80's.  The Who had their Farewell Tour in 1982 for god's sake. They have covered many of Springsteen's songs and hold him in high regard. Springsteen's songs speak to people and fans feel like he is speaking to their experiences. The same is found in the music and fans of Pearl Jam. 

The members of Pearl Jam range in age from 52-65. If you want to exclude Boom, then they range from 52 to 56.  They are not middle-aged men making music for middle aged fans, they are a band making music and they have fans. Fans of Pearl Jam range in age from kids to seniors. They were all close to 30 years old when they formed in 1992. Matt was 30, though not in the band, so since Kruzen is 52, close to 30. 

As far as their music being boring, then why are we all here??

You don't have to like Springsteen, but he & the E Street Band have a vast following; far larger than Pearl Jam's fan base. And Pearl Jam has a large following. There are people who don't even realize that they are still together. Most people know that Springsteen is actively touring and putting out albums. You don't have to like him, you don't have to like any musician, but as a person who is a fan of music in and of itself, I'd think there'd be a respect for his longevity, catalog and energetic and long concert performances. He tours more than Pearl Jam does and sells out everywhere. So even if you don't like him, it is not reasonable to say that no one cares about his music. The facts of his popularity just don't substantiate that claim. 

I really dislike when people label other people as old or young. The same as I dislike generalized statements of race or sex. 

I was watching a documentary of a band that started when they were in 8th grade after they saw Pearl Jam Unplugged. They are still together constantly touring 22 years later. They are 38/39 years old. They liked Pearl Jam from Day 1. There are fans that were kids, teens, 20's, 30's, 40's, etc when Pearl Jam formed, so 26 years later the band is making music for their fans, who are of all ages. There are people of all ages who are just discovering Pearl Jam now. Pearl Jam fans are not a monolith and run the gamut of age, sex, political leanings, sexuality, etc.  Labels are not needed. That is what is argued when it comes to politics and it should hold for other areas of a person's identity.

Bruce and Pearl Jam are very much alike. The fans of both bands are very much alike. It is a demographic and musical fact. There is much cross fandom. Both bands are great and I find no reason to disparage either. I am not a fan of Beyonce but I respect her for the empowerment that she gives to minority women and girls & her fandom is vast.

I wouldn't throw any music on a trash heap because there is someone who is listening that is getting joy from it. Possibly having their life saved by a particular lyric. EV is a fantastic lyricist and so is Bruce Springsteen. You may not like the music but I think there are certain artists/bands that should be respected for the art they have created and that will live on for generations. YMMV and I'm sure it will. 

Oh another thing about Springsteen that sucks...long-winded wordy fan girls!!!

mcgruff10

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

Beef with John Wayne? Fucking commie

I'll start smoking reds in his honor. 

Feeling like John Wayne is a bit silly and not a great reason to start smoking. I’m not saying that is your reason, but there are plenty of people for whom that is true.

njnancy

cincybearcat said:

njnancy said:

cincybearcat said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

I loved reading this thread! Buck, you rock- fuck Bruce, his music is a dumpster fire and no one cares what he says.

And by the way you shoot like me, you put too much finger on the trigger.  Lay off a bit and exhale before each shot.

Expect that his last tour in 14 was the highest grossing tour in the world that year... but sure no one cares.  

Only thing I expect is for him to keep making boring music for old people 

Hahahaha I agree

Neither of you have ever been to a Springsteen concert and looked at the crowd I'm guessing.

Bruce Springsteen is 69 years old and has been making albums since 1973. Pearl Jam grew up listening to Bruce Springsteen, along with other artists of the 60's, 70's and 80's.  The Who had their Farewell Tour in 1982 for god's sake. They have covered many of Springsteen's songs and hold him in high regard. Springsteen's songs speak to people and fans feel like he is speaking to their experiences. The same is found in the music and fans of Pearl Jam. 

The members of Pearl Jam range in age from 52-65. If you want to exclude Boom, then they range from 52 to 56.  They are not middle-aged men making music for middle aged fans, they are a band making music and they have fans. Fans of Pearl Jam range in age from kids to seniors. They were all close to 30 years old when they formed in 1992. Matt was 30, though not in the band, so since Kruzen is 52, close to 30. 

As far as their music being boring, then why are we all here??

You don't have to like Springsteen, but he & the E Street Band have a vast following; far larger than Pearl Jam's fan base. And Pearl Jam has a large following. There are people who don't even realize that they are still together. Most people know that Springsteen is actively touring and putting out albums. You don't have to like him, you don't have to like any musician, but as a person who is a fan of music in and of itself, I'd think there'd be a respect for his longevity, catalog and energetic and long concert performances. He tours more than Pearl Jam does and sells out everywhere. So even if you don't like him, it is not reasonable to say that no one cares about his music. The facts of his popularity just don't substantiate that claim. 

I really dislike when people label other people as old or young. The same as I dislike generalized statements of race or sex. 

I was watching a documentary of a band that started when they were in 8th grade after they saw Pearl Jam Unplugged. They are still together constantly touring 22 years later. They are 38/39 years old. They liked Pearl Jam from Day 1. There are fans that were kids, teens, 20's, 30's, 40's, etc when Pearl Jam formed, so 26 years later the band is making music for their fans, who are of all ages. There are people of all ages who are just discovering Pearl Jam now. Pearl Jam fans are not a monolith and run the gamut of age, sex, political leanings, sexuality, etc.  Labels are not needed. That is what is argued when it comes to politics and it should hold for other areas of a person's identity.

Bruce and Pearl Jam are very much alike. The fans of both bands are very much alike. It is a demographic and musical fact. There is much cross fandom. Both bands are great and I find no reason to disparage either. I am not a fan of Beyonce but I respect her for the empowerment that she gives to minority women and girls & her fandom is vast.

I wouldn't throw any music on a trash heap because there is someone who is listening that is getting joy from it. Possibly having their life saved by a particular lyric. EV is a fantastic lyricist and so is Bruce Springsteen. You may not like the music but I think there are certain artists/bands that should be respected for the art they have created and that will live on for generations. YMMV and I'm sure it will. 

Oh another thing about Springsteen that sucks...long-winded wordy fan girls!!!

Unnecessary and nasty. I won't take time to address actual thread topics. Gun talk fun, have at it. (Was that too many words?)

cincybearcat

njnancy said:

cincybearcat said:

njnancy said:

cincybearcat said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

I loved reading this thread! Buck, you rock- fuck Bruce, his music is a dumpster fire and no one cares what he says.

And by the way you shoot like me, you put too much finger on the trigger.  Lay off a bit and exhale before each shot.

Expect that his last tour in 14 was the highest grossing tour in the world that year... but sure no one cares.  

Only thing I expect is for him to keep making boring music for old people 

Hahahaha I agree

Neither of you have ever been to a Springsteen concert and looked at the crowd I'm guessing.

Bruce Springsteen is 69 years old and has been making albums since 1973. Pearl Jam grew up listening to Bruce Springsteen, along with other artists of the 60's, 70's and 80's.  The Who had their Farewell Tour in 1982 for god's sake. They have covered many of Springsteen's songs and hold him in high regard. Springsteen's songs speak to people and fans feel like he is speaking to their experiences. The same is found in the music and fans of Pearl Jam. 

The members of Pearl Jam range in age from 52-65. If you want to exclude Boom, then they range from 52 to 56.  They are not middle-aged men making music for middle aged fans, they are a band making music and they have fans. Fans of Pearl Jam range in age from kids to seniors. They were all close to 30 years old when they formed in 1992. Matt was 30, though not in the band, so since Kruzen is 52, close to 30. 

As far as their music being boring, then why are we all here??

You don't have to like Springsteen, but he & the E Street Band have a vast following; far larger than Pearl Jam's fan base. And Pearl Jam has a large following. There are people who don't even realize that they are still together. Most people know that Springsteen is actively touring and putting out albums. You don't have to like him, you don't have to like any musician, but as a person who is a fan of music in and of itself, I'd think there'd be a respect for his longevity, catalog and energetic and long concert performances. He tours more than Pearl Jam does and sells out everywhere. So even if you don't like him, it is not reasonable to say that no one cares about his music. The facts of his popularity just don't substantiate that claim. 

I really dislike when people label other people as old or young. The same as I dislike generalized statements of race or sex. 

I was watching a documentary of a band that started when they were in 8th grade after they saw Pearl Jam Unplugged. They are still together constantly touring 22 years later. They are 38/39 years old. They liked Pearl Jam from Day 1. There are fans that were kids, teens, 20's, 30's, 40's, etc when Pearl Jam formed, so 26 years later the band is making music for their fans, who are of all ages. There are people of all ages who are just discovering Pearl Jam now. Pearl Jam fans are not a monolith and run the gamut of age, sex, political leanings, sexuality, etc.  Labels are not needed. That is what is argued when it comes to politics and it should hold for other areas of a person's identity.

Bruce and Pearl Jam are very much alike. The fans of both bands are very much alike. It is a demographic and musical fact. There is much cross fandom. Both bands are great and I find no reason to disparage either. I am not a fan of Beyonce but I respect her for the empowerment that she gives to minority women and girls & her fandom is vast.

I wouldn't throw any music on a trash heap because there is someone who is listening that is getting joy from it. Possibly having their life saved by a particular lyric. EV is a fantastic lyricist and so is Bruce Springsteen. You may not like the music but I think there are certain artists/bands that should be respected for the art they have created and that will live on for generations. YMMV and I'm sure it will. 

Oh another thing about Springsteen that sucks...long-winded wordy fan girls!!!

Unnecessary and nasty. I won't take time to address actual thread topics. Gun talk fun, have at it. (Was that too many words?)

I was kidding . Again throughout this thread it’s been mentioned a lot. I don’t like Bruce, don’t care what others like.  

my2hands

Why so serious? 

Jesus 

oftenreading

As comedians go, you guys would make good undertakers. 

cincybearcat

oftenreading said:

As comedians go, you guys would make good undertakers. 

Cause we are working with the dead here

oftenreading

cincybearcat said:

oftenreading said:

As comedians go, you guys would make good undertakers. 

Cause we are working with the dead here

You do rather have that effect. 

mrussel1

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

Beef with John Wayne? Fucking commie

I'll start smoking reds in his honor. 

Feeling like John Wayne is a bit silly and not a great reason to start smoking. I’m not saying that is your reason, but there are plenty of people for whom that is true.

Someone also bought me a new ashtray,  so I feel bad not using it. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

Beef with John Wayne? Fucking commie

I'll start smoking reds in his honor. 

Feeling like John Wayne is a bit silly and not a great reason to start smoking. I’m not saying that is your reason, but there are plenty of people for whom that is true.

Someone also bought me a new ashtray,  so I feel bad not using it. 

You should just start smoking. Automobiles kill more people per annum than cigarettes. Just do it!

mrussel1

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

Beef with John Wayne? Fucking commie

I'll start smoking reds in his honor. 

Feeling like John Wayne is a bit silly and not a great reason to start smoking. I’m not saying that is your reason, but there are plenty of people for whom that is true.

Someone also bought me a new ashtray,  so I feel bad not using it. 

You should just start smoking. Automobiles kill more people per annum than cigarettes. Just do it!

Don't talk about it,  be about it!

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

Beef with John Wayne? Fucking commie

I'll start smoking reds in his honor. 

Feeling like John Wayne is a bit silly and not a great reason to start smoking. I’m not saying that is your reason, but there are plenty of people for whom that is true.

Someone also bought me a new ashtray,  so I feel bad not using it. 

You should just start smoking. Automobiles kill more people per annum than cigarettes. Just do it!

Crazy true story, I have never smoked a cigarette.

rgambs

my2hands said:

Beef with John Wayne? Fucking commie

He was a big poser.  Whimpy draft-dodging Hollywood type that stole his entire schtick from a war hero!

mcgruff10

rgambs said:

my2hands said:

Beef with John Wayne? Fucking commie

He was a big poser.  Whimpy draft-dodging Hollywood type that stole his entire schtick from a war hero!

From what I have read he is definitely not a draft dodger. 

mrussel1

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

my2hands said:

Beef with John Wayne? Fucking commie

He was a big poser.  Whimpy draft-dodging Hollywood type that stole his entire schtick from a war hero!

From what I have read he is definitely not a draft dodger. 

Well he didn't go to Canada like Stallone, but he did receive a deferment because he had children.  He would have been early 30's at the start of the war.  

PJ_Soul

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

I loved reading this thread! Buck, you rock- fuck Bruce, his music is a dumpster fire and no one cares what he says.

And by the way you shoot like me, you put too much finger on the trigger.  Lay off a bit and exhale before each shot.

Expect that his last tour in 14 was the highest grossing tour in the world that year... but sure no one cares.  

Only thing I expect is for him to keep making boring music for old people 

Says the Pearl Jam fan... ironic. 

I don’t think Bruce and pj are similar types of music at all

I think the point was that if you ask most people under the age of 30, they would expect the same thing from Pearl Jam: boring music for old people, lol.

Spiritual_Chaos

The problem with Pearl Jam is that I can put on Riot Act and see my mom dig Can't Keep but then Save You kicks in and she's like "why did you change the music?" 

Bruce has a smaller spectrum of sound - if you like his one song his next song won't differ that much in genre. Even an outlier like... Tunnel of Love(?) sounds like Bruce.

Pearl Jam, good or bad, is like Neil Young very scattered. Neil usually keeps the scattering between albums though. Pearl Jam has had their influences running wild, since Ten which I guess was Stones idea for the sound of his new band.

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The problem with Pearl Jam is that I can put on Riot Act and see my mom dig Can't Keep but then Save You kicks in and she's like "why did you change the music?" 

Bruce has a smaller spectrum of sound - if you like his one song his next song won't differ that much in genre. Even an outlier like... Tunnel of Love(?) sounds like Bruce.

Pearl Jam, good or bad, is like Neil Young very scattered. Neil usually keeps the scattering between albums though. Pearl Jam has had their influences running wild, since Ten which I guess was Stones idea for the sound of his new band.

Great points.  Neil and Bruce keep a theme throughout,  whether the River,  Harvest,  Nebraska,  etc. PJ is definitely all over the place.  Completely agree. 

HughFreakingDillon

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The problem with Pearl Jam is that I can put on Riot Act and see my mom dig Can't Keep but then Save You kicks in and she's like "why did you change the music?" 

Bruce has a smaller spectrum of sound - if you like his one song his next song won't differ that much in genre. Even an outlier like... Tunnel of Love(?) sounds like Bruce.

Pearl Jam, good or bad, is like Neil Young very scattered. Neil usually keeps the scattering between albums though. Pearl Jam has had their influences running wild, since Ten which I guess was Stones idea for the sound of his new band.

you've just articulated why i don't like bruce. it all kind of sounds the same to me. I like the highs and lows of a PJ record.