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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  
    So this says women are better than men? C'mon, that is such a bullshit statement.  Just as bad as the reverse.  Someone's sex doesn;t make them better or worse.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  

    A super easy assessment.

    To boot... the women who have been incarcerated... I'd speculate there was a major male influence that led them down the wrong path. Typically, when I read of women being charged with crimes... they are of the 'accomplice' variety. Or... they are the by-product of some level of horrific abuse at the hands of a male.

    I realize I am making generalizations, but I'll stand by them until proven wrong. And good luck doing that lol!
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  
    So this says women are better than men? C'mon, that is such a bullshit statement.  Just as bad as the reverse.  Someone's sex doesn;t make them better or worse.

    Do you not understand the graph and what it reveals? Variables accounting for such behaviour aside... there's a pretty clear distinction between the nature of the two genders depicted.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  

    A super easy assessment.

    To boot... the women who have been incarcerated... I'd speculate there was a major male influence that led them down the wrong path. Typically, when I read of women being charged with crimes... they are of the 'accomplice' variety. Or... they are the by-product of some level of horrific abuse at the hands of a male.

    I realize I am making generalizations, but I'll stand by them until proven wrong. And good luck doing that lol!
    There are a lot less 10 year olds in prison too...does that mean 10 year olds are better and the world would be better if run by 10 year olds?  I think we see that playing out and it's not good.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  
    So this says women are better than men? C'mon, that is such a bullshit statement.  Just as bad as the reverse.  Someone's sex doesn;t make them better or worse.
    Thirty Bills is going down the path of leadership.  I don't know if that is true or not.  I agree that they have not been given a chance to fuck it up like men have since the beginning of time.  But I am saying that women, on average, are morally superior than men.  Not every single one obviously.  This stat is an easy representation of that.  While when you start comparing races, you get into prejudicial justice system, socioeconomic conditions (which I think is the biggest factor in crime), you can throw most of that out when comparing men to women because I don't believe there is a great disparity between the number of men in poverty compared to women.  They tend to move together.  
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  

    A super easy assessment.

    To boot... the women who have been incarcerated... I'd speculate there was a major male influence that led them down the wrong path. Typically, when I read of women being charged with crimes... they are of the 'accomplice' variety. Or... they are the by-product of some level of horrific abuse at the hands of a male.

    I realize I am making generalizations, but I'll stand by them until proven wrong. And good luck doing that lol!
    There are a lot less 10 year olds in prison too...does that mean 10 year olds are better and the world would be better if run by 10 year olds?  I think we see that playing out and it's not good.

    You should have said 'infants' for best effect! Your argument is pretty weak if you have to resort to comparing 10 year olds and grown men for best qualifications to lead a country.

    Grown men and women have an equal footing with regards to mental capacity and emotional intelligence. There's an obvious distinction between men and women with regards to propensity for violence. Individual exceptions aside, men are more violent than women. Period. Not debatable. 
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  
    So this says women are better than men? C'mon, that is such a bullshit statement.  Just as bad as the reverse.  Someone's sex doesn;t make them better or worse.
    Thirty Bills is going down the path of leadership.  I don't know if that is true or not.  I agree that they have not been given a chance to fuck it up like men have since the beginning of time.  But I am saying that women, on average, are morally superior than men.  Not every single one obviously.  This stat is an easy representation of that.  While when you start comparing races, you get into prejudicial justice system, socioeconomic conditions (which I think is the biggest factor in crime), you can throw most of that out when comparing men to women because I don't believe there is a great disparity between the number of men in poverty compared to women.  They tend to move together.  
    yeah I don;t really agree.  If we could flip a switch and have the traditional gender roles reversed starting back to the beginning of time, I suspect you;d see a very similar world and one with more women in jail than men.  I think all that history and environment and macho crap would be built right into women instead of men.

    Again - as we sit today I do feel that women in leadership positions would have a positive effect in a lot of areas.  But over the long haul, it would come back to human nature.  
    hippiemom = goodness
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  
    So this says women are better than men? C'mon, that is such a bullshit statement.  Just as bad as the reverse.  Someone's sex doesn;t make them better or worse.
    Thirty Bills is going down the path of leadership.  I don't know if that is true or not.  I agree that they have not been given a chance to fuck it up like men have since the beginning of time.  But I am saying that women, on average, are morally superior than men.  Not every single one obviously.  This stat is an easy representation of that.  While when you start comparing races, you get into prejudicial justice system, socioeconomic conditions (which I think is the biggest factor in crime), you can throw most of that out when comparing men to women because I don't believe there is a great disparity between the number of men in poverty compared to women.  They tend to move together.  
    yeah I don;t really agree.  If we could flip a switch and have the traditional gender roles reversed starting back to the beginning of time, I suspect you;d see a very similar world and one with more women in jail than men.  I think all that history and environment and macho crap would be built right into women instead of men.

    Again - as we sit today I do feel that women in leadership positions would have a positive effect in a lot of areas.  But over the long haul, it would come back to human nature.  

    "If we made everything different from the beginning of time, my argument works" is kind of weak. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  
    So this says women are better than men? C'mon, that is such a bullshit statement.  Just as bad as the reverse.  Someone's sex doesn;t make them better or worse.
    Thirty Bills is going down the path of leadership.  I don't know if that is true or not.  I agree that they have not been given a chance to fuck it up like men have since the beginning of time.  But I am saying that women, on average, are morally superior than men.  Not every single one obviously.  This stat is an easy representation of that.  While when you start comparing races, you get into prejudicial justice system, socioeconomic conditions (which I think is the biggest factor in crime), you can throw most of that out when comparing men to women because I don't believe there is a great disparity between the number of men in poverty compared to women.  They tend to move together.  

    Good post. Especially the bolded part.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  
    So this says women are better than men? C'mon, that is such a bullshit statement.  Just as bad as the reverse.  Someone's sex doesn;t make them better or worse.
    Thirty Bills is going down the path of leadership.  I don't know if that is true or not.  I agree that they have not been given a chance to fuck it up like men have since the beginning of time.  But I am saying that women, on average, are morally superior than men.  Not every single one obviously.  This stat is an easy representation of that.  While when you start comparing races, you get into prejudicial justice system, socioeconomic conditions (which I think is the biggest factor in crime), you can throw most of that out when comparing men to women because I don't believe there is a great disparity between the number of men in poverty compared to women.  They tend to move together.  
    yeah I don;t really agree.  If we could flip a switch and have the traditional gender roles reversed starting back to the beginning of time, I suspect you;d see a very similar world and one with more women in jail than men.  I think all that history and environment and macho crap would be built right into women instead of men.

    Again - as we sit today I do feel that women in leadership positions would have a positive effect in a lot of areas.  But over the long haul, it would come back to human nature.  

    "If we made everything different from the beginning of time, my argument works" is kind of weak. 
    Really?  But it's a big factor....the gender role over time and how males and females have evolved.  Do you really think 1 gender is "better" than another?  I think this is very dangerous logic.

    Ah nevermind, this is a better discussion to have in person.  
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  
    So this says women are better than men? C'mon, that is such a bullshit statement.  Just as bad as the reverse.  Someone's sex doesn;t make them better or worse.
    Thirty Bills is going down the path of leadership.  I don't know if that is true or not.  I agree that they have not been given a chance to fuck it up like men have since the beginning of time.  But I am saying that women, on average, are morally superior than men.  Not every single one obviously.  This stat is an easy representation of that.  While when you start comparing races, you get into prejudicial justice system, socioeconomic conditions (which I think is the biggest factor in crime), you can throw most of that out when comparing men to women because I don't believe there is a great disparity between the number of men in poverty compared to women.  They tend to move together.  
    yeah I don;t really agree.  If we could flip a switch and have the traditional gender roles reversed starting back to the beginning of time, I suspect you;d see a very similar world and one with more women in jail than men.  I think all that history and environment and macho crap would be built right into women instead of men.

    Again - as we sit today I do feel that women in leadership positions would have a positive effect in a lot of areas.  But over the long haul, it would come back to human nature.  

    So we agree!

    Cheers!
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  
    So this says women are better than men? C'mon, that is such a bullshit statement.  Just as bad as the reverse.  Someone's sex doesn;t make them better or worse.
    Thirty Bills is going down the path of leadership.  I don't know if that is true or not.  I agree that they have not been given a chance to fuck it up like men have since the beginning of time.  But I am saying that women, on average, are morally superior than men.  Not every single one obviously.  This stat is an easy representation of that.  While when you start comparing races, you get into prejudicial justice system, socioeconomic conditions (which I think is the biggest factor in crime), you can throw most of that out when comparing men to women because I don't believe there is a great disparity between the number of men in poverty compared to women.  They tend to move together.  
    yeah I don;t really agree.  If we could flip a switch and have the traditional gender roles reversed starting back to the beginning of time, I suspect you;d see a very similar world and one with more women in jail than men.  I think all that history and environment and macho crap would be built right into women instead of men.

    Again - as we sit today I do feel that women in leadership positions would have a positive effect in a lot of areas.  But over the long haul, it would come back to human nature.  

    So we agree!

    Cheers!
    Yes we certainly agree as we sit today that we need more women in leadership positions...no doubt.  Strong proponent.  I just really dislike the general statement that one gender is better than the other.  
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  
    So this says women are better than men? C'mon, that is such a bullshit statement.  Just as bad as the reverse.  Someone's sex doesn;t make them better or worse.
    Thirty Bills is going down the path of leadership.  I don't know if that is true or not.  I agree that they have not been given a chance to fuck it up like men have since the beginning of time.  But I am saying that women, on average, are morally superior than men.  Not every single one obviously.  This stat is an easy representation of that.  While when you start comparing races, you get into prejudicial justice system, socioeconomic conditions (which I think is the biggest factor in crime), you can throw most of that out when comparing men to women because I don't believe there is a great disparity between the number of men in poverty compared to women.  They tend to move together.  
    yeah I don;t really agree.  If we could flip a switch and have the traditional gender roles reversed starting back to the beginning of time, I suspect you;d see a very similar world and one with more women in jail than men.  I think all that history and environment and macho crap would be built right into women instead of men.

    Again - as we sit today I do feel that women in leadership positions would have a positive effect in a lot of areas.  But over the long haul, it would come back to human nature.  

    "If we made everything different from the beginning of time, my argument works" is kind of weak. 
    Really?  But it's a big factor....the gender role over time and how males and females have evolved.  Do you really think 1 gender is "better" than another?  I think this is very dangerous logic.

    Ah nevermind, this is a better discussion to have in person.  

    'Better' might not be the best word. 'Different' would be more appropriate.

    Men are not completely useless. We have exceptional strengths.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  
    So this says women are better than men? C'mon, that is such a bullshit statement.  Just as bad as the reverse.  Someone's sex doesn;t make them better or worse.
    Thirty Bills is going down the path of leadership.  I don't know if that is true or not.  I agree that they have not been given a chance to fuck it up like men have since the beginning of time.  But I am saying that women, on average, are morally superior than men.  Not every single one obviously.  This stat is an easy representation of that.  While when you start comparing races, you get into prejudicial justice system, socioeconomic conditions (which I think is the biggest factor in crime), you can throw most of that out when comparing men to women because I don't believe there is a great disparity between the number of men in poverty compared to women.  They tend to move together.  
    yeah I don;t really agree.  If we could flip a switch and have the traditional gender roles reversed starting back to the beginning of time, I suspect you;d see a very similar world and one with more women in jail than men.  I think all that history and environment and macho crap would be built right into women instead of men.

    Again - as we sit today I do feel that women in leadership positions would have a positive effect in a lot of areas.  But over the long haul, it would come back to human nature.  

    "If we made everything different from the beginning of time, my argument works" is kind of weak. 
    Really?  But it's a big factor....the gender role over time and how males and females have evolved.  Do you really think 1 gender is "better" than another?  I think this is very dangerous logic.

    Ah nevermind, this is a better discussion to have in person.  

    'Better' might not be the best word. 'Different' would be more appropriate.

    Men are not completely useless. We have exceptional strengths.
    Certainly as it sits today, women would offer a different perspective.  And add to thought diversity....which would be a great thing.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  
    So this says women are better than men? C'mon, that is such a bullshit statement.  Just as bad as the reverse.  Someone's sex doesn;t make them better or worse.
    Thirty Bills is going down the path of leadership.  I don't know if that is true or not.  I agree that they have not been given a chance to fuck it up like men have since the beginning of time.  But I am saying that women, on average, are morally superior than men.  Not every single one obviously.  This stat is an easy representation of that.  While when you start comparing races, you get into prejudicial justice system, socioeconomic conditions (which I think is the biggest factor in crime), you can throw most of that out when comparing men to women because I don't believe there is a great disparity between the number of men in poverty compared to women.  They tend to move together.  
    yeah I don;t really agree.  If we could flip a switch and have the traditional gender roles reversed starting back to the beginning of time, I suspect you;d see a very similar world and one with more women in jail than men.  I think all that history and environment and macho crap would be built right into women instead of men.

    Again - as we sit today I do feel that women in leadership positions would have a positive effect in a lot of areas.  But over the long haul, it would come back to human nature.  

    "If we made everything different from the beginning of time, my argument works" is kind of weak. 
    Really?  But it's a big factor....the gender role over time and how males and females have evolved.  Do you really think 1 gender is "better" than another?  I think this is very dangerous logic.

    Ah nevermind, this is a better discussion to have in person.  

    My point is that you have reduced massive complexity down to one factor that you are calling "gender role", without taking into account anything that it involves. It is not about one gender being better - no where in my post did I say that. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • buck502000
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    I like where this is going
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  
    So this says women are better than men? C'mon, that is such a bullshit statement.  Just as bad as the reverse.  Someone's sex doesn;t make them better or worse.
    Thirty Bills is going down the path of leadership.  I don't know if that is true or not.  I agree that they have not been given a chance to fuck it up like men have since the beginning of time.  But I am saying that women, on average, are morally superior than men.  Not every single one obviously.  This stat is an easy representation of that.  While when you start comparing races, you get into prejudicial justice system, socioeconomic conditions (which I think is the biggest factor in crime), you can throw most of that out when comparing men to women because I don't believe there is a great disparity between the number of men in poverty compared to women.  They tend to move together.  
    yeah I don;t really agree.  If we could flip a switch and have the traditional gender roles reversed starting back to the beginning of time, I suspect you;d see a very similar world and one with more women in jail than men.  I think all that history and environment and macho crap would be built right into women instead of men.

    Again - as we sit today I do feel that women in leadership positions would have a positive effect in a lot of areas.  But over the long haul, it would come back to human nature.  
    I don't know man, your argument is complete conjecture and impossible to even debate, let alone prove.  I'm trying to provide empirical data that represents that men are more prone to criminal activity than women.  And I'm equating that the moral compass, which I think is stronger in women than men... on average.  I'm not using the word better.. not better at math, better at sports, better at doing the laundry.  I'm talking about morality.  
    I don't think this debate is dangerous.  You didn't say something insane like Buck.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  
    So this says women are better than men? C'mon, that is such a bullshit statement.  Just as bad as the reverse.  Someone's sex doesn;t make them better or worse.
    Thirty Bills is going down the path of leadership.  I don't know if that is true or not.  I agree that they have not been given a chance to fuck it up like men have since the beginning of time.  But I am saying that women, on average, are morally superior than men.  Not every single one obviously.  This stat is an easy representation of that.  While when you start comparing races, you get into prejudicial justice system, socioeconomic conditions (which I think is the biggest factor in crime), you can throw most of that out when comparing men to women because I don't believe there is a great disparity between the number of men in poverty compared to women.  They tend to move together.  
    yeah I don;t really agree.  If we could flip a switch and have the traditional gender roles reversed starting back to the beginning of time, I suspect you;d see a very similar world and one with more women in jail than men.  I think all that history and environment and macho crap would be built right into women instead of men.

    Again - as we sit today I do feel that women in leadership positions would have a positive effect in a lot of areas.  But over the long haul, it would come back to human nature.  

    "If we made everything different from the beginning of time, my argument works" is kind of weak. 
    that's pretty friggin funny.  
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    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Women are better than men. This... coming from a man.

    Don't get me wrong. I love being a man in all my manliness, but if we are being objective... women are the kinder, gentler gender that our species needs for direction. I believe the world would become a better place if women were placed in the most influential leadership spots.
    This is bullshit.
    Compare the number of men in prison to women, particularly for violent crimes.  That's an easy assessment.  
    So this says women are better than men? C'mon, that is such a bullshit statement.  Just as bad as the reverse.  Someone's sex doesn;t make them better or worse.
    Thirty Bills is going down the path of leadership.  I don't know if that is true or not.  I agree that they have not been given a chance to fuck it up like men have since the beginning of time.  But I am saying that women, on average, are morally superior than men.  Not every single one obviously.  This stat is an easy representation of that.  While when you start comparing races, you get into prejudicial justice system, socioeconomic conditions (which I think is the biggest factor in crime), you can throw most of that out when comparing men to women because I don't believe there is a great disparity between the number of men in poverty compared to women.  They tend to move together.  
    yeah I don;t really agree.  If we could flip a switch and have the traditional gender roles reversed starting back to the beginning of time, I suspect you;d see a very similar world and one with more women in jail than men.  I think all that history and environment and macho crap would be built right into women instead of men.

    Again - as we sit today I do feel that women in leadership positions would have a positive effect in a lot of areas.  But over the long haul, it would come back to human nature.  

    "If we made everything different from the beginning of time, my argument works" is kind of weak. 
    Really?  But it's a big factor....the gender role over time and how males and females have evolved.  Do you really think 1 gender is "better" than another?  I think this is very dangerous logic.

    Ah nevermind, this is a better discussion to have in person.  

    My point is that you have reduced massive complexity down to one factor that you are calling "gender role", without taking into account anything that it involves. It is not about one gender being better - no where in my post did I say that. 
    But someone did and you responded to my post saying it’s not true. 
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