Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • dignin
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    JC29856 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Here’s a Fox graphic informing their viewers of who Robert Mueller was...back when they wanted their viewers to believe he was an honorable person (now he is the devil for some reason—mmm, wonder why??)




    TEAM MUELLER
    What's your point?

    It's the team he assembled and obviously trusts. It's his team, his investigation....he is the boss. You throw shade on his team you throw shade on him.

    But that's not really your point is it, just trying to muddy the waters. Take the act somewhere else, nobody here is dumb enough to buy it.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    dignin said:
    JC29856 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Here’s a Fox graphic informing their viewers of who Robert Mueller was...back when they wanted their viewers to believe he was an honorable person (now he is the devil for some reason—mmm, wonder why??)




    TEAM MUELLER
    What's your point?

    It's the team he assembled and obviously trusts. It's his team, his investigation....he is the boss. You throw shade on his team you throw shade on him.

    But that's not really your point is it, just trying to muddy the waters. Take the act somewhere else, nobody here is dumb enough to buy it.
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  • The Juggler
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    JC29856 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Here’s a Fox graphic informing their viewers of who Robert Mueller was...back when they wanted their viewers to believe he was an honorable person (now he is the devil for some reason—mmm, wonder why??)




    TEAM MUELLER
    You’re either Team Mueller or Team Russia. 
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  • josevolution
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    JC29856 said:
    oopsy....well what do you know about the latest bombshell!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/email-offering-trump-campaign-wikileaks-documents-referred-to-information-already-public/2017/12/08/61dc2356-dc37-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html
    Hey JC the Israel thread needs you , 1 dead already blood on the hands of your hero orange bafoon care to tell us about the non violence thats started over there ...
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  • mrussel1
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    I love how the bar for someone to be on TEAM MUELLER is that they are completely devoid of any political opinion.  If they voted or otherwise lean left, they are immediately compromised.  Was that the bar for Ken Starr?  Perhaps FBI agents shouldn't be allowed to vote.  Otherwise they can't possibly do their jobs.  
  • The Juggler
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    mrussel1 said:
    I love how the bar for someone to be on TEAM MUELLER is that they are completely devoid of any political opinion.  If they voted or otherwise lean left, they are immediately compromised.  Was that the bar for Ken Starr?  Perhaps FBI agents shouldn't be allowed to vote.  Otherwise they can't possibly do their jobs.  


    Right.

    And, wouldn't the case be made that Mueller is biased if he DIDN'T excuse the guy for sending anti Trump tweets or whatever he did? I think the fact that he let me him go speaks to his integrity...

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  • benjs
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    mrussel1 said:
    I love how the bar for someone to be on TEAM MUELLER is that they are completely devoid of any political opinion.  If they voted or otherwise lean left, they are immediately compromised.  Was that the bar for Ken Starr?  Perhaps FBI agents shouldn't be allowed to vote.  Otherwise they can't possibly do their jobs.  
    I agree. Since JC’s core expectation of a noble politician is to possess no bias whatsoever, he will live and die disappointed with every politician. The standards he applies to them are not grounded in reality.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC has a core? Ha!
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  • JC29856
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    as expected, yet another retraction. how many this week alone? 4


  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC29856 said:
    as expected, yet another retraction. how many this week alone? 4


    400,000 documents, 36 electronic devices, 2,000 documents labeled hot procured via 15 search warrants. One email has the wrong date communicated by one news organization. Shut it all down, Team Mueller as Team Trump Treason had no contacts with Russia, Russia, Russia.
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    Week 29: Flynn’s Inauguration Day Bravado Comes Back to Bite Him - POLITICO https://apple.news/A2-qtlZYeSQGPjDsIIFjMXQ

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    josevolution said:
    Week 29: Flynn’s Inauguration Day Bravado Comes Back to Bite Him - POLITICO https://apple.news/A2-qtlZYeSQGPjDsIIFjMXQ

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  • mrussel1
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    edited December 2017
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I love how the bar for someone to be on TEAM MUELLER is that they are completely devoid of any political opinion.  If they voted or otherwise lean left, they are immediately compromised.  Was that the bar for Ken Starr?  Perhaps FBI agents shouldn't be allowed to vote.  Otherwise they can't possibly do their jobs.  


    Right.

    And, wouldn't the case be made that Mueller is biased if he DIDN'T excuse the guy for sending anti Trump tweets or whatever he did? I think the fact that he let me him go speaks to his integrity...

    That was precisely my thought when I heard about the agent... good for Mueller for dismissing him. I'm sure there's no requirement that he report it to the press or to Congress since they are not the oversight on the investigation immediately. What it shows is A. He has integrity and B. They don't or are very slow to leak. My guess is that he reported it to the DOJ as expected.  Eventually someone from teh DOJ leaked it, which is why it got out now.
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  • josevolution
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    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I love how the bar for someone to be on TEAM MUELLER is that they are completely devoid of any political opinion.  If they voted or otherwise lean left, they are immediately compromised.  Was that the bar for Ken Starr?  Perhaps FBI agents shouldn't be allowed to vote.  Otherwise they can't possibly do their jobs.  


    Right.

    And, wouldn't the case be made that Mueller is biased if he DIDN'T excuse the guy for sending anti Trump tweets or whatever he did? I think the fact that he let me him go speaks to his integrity...

    That was precisely my thought when I heard about the agent... good for Mueller for dismissing him. I'm sure there's no requirement that he report it to the press or to Congress since they are not the oversight on the investigation immediately. What it shows is A. He has integrity and B. They don't or are very slow to leak. To me, this further validates his integrity.
    Exactly unlike bafoon keeping Flynn on the job for how many weeks after knowing he was compromised..
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  • mrussel1
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    josevolution said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I love how the bar for someone to be on TEAM MUELLER is that they are completely devoid of any political opinion.  If they voted or otherwise lean left, they are immediately compromised.  Was that the bar for Ken Starr?  Perhaps FBI agents shouldn't be allowed to vote.  Otherwise they can't possibly do their jobs.  


    Right.

    And, wouldn't the case be made that Mueller is biased if he DIDN'T excuse the guy for sending anti Trump tweets or whatever he did? I think the fact that he let me him go speaks to his integrity...

    That was precisely my thought when I heard about the agent... good for Mueller for dismissing him. I'm sure there's no requirement that he report it to the press or to Congress since they are not the oversight on the investigation immediately. What it shows is A. He has integrity and B. They don't or are very slow to leak. To me, this further validates his integrity.
    Exactly unlike bafoon keeping Flynn on the job for how many weeks after knowing he was compromised..
    That is an excellent analogy.  Trump didn't fire Flynn until it hit the Post and he became untenable.  Manafort went the same way.  
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    edited December 2017
    JC29856 said:
    as expected, yet another retraction. how many this week alone? 4


    Strange, if it's a retraction, why does it read as (and state that it's) a correction? I wonder if your 'underground' news sites ever get anything wrong and admit it. If they did, would you stop looking there too? If they don't, do you assume they are hiding corrections, or do you assume that they have a perfect track record?
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  • josevolution
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    mrussel1 said:
    josevolution said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I love how the bar for someone to be on TEAM MUELLER is that they are completely devoid of any political opinion.  If they voted or otherwise lean left, they are immediately compromised.  Was that the bar for Ken Starr?  Perhaps FBI agents shouldn't be allowed to vote.  Otherwise they can't possibly do their jobs.  


    Right.

    And, wouldn't the case be made that Mueller is biased if he DIDN'T excuse the guy for sending anti Trump tweets or whatever he did? I think the fact that he let me him go speaks to his integrity...

    That was precisely my thought when I heard about the agent... good for Mueller for dismissing him. I'm sure there's no requirement that he report it to the press or to Congress since they are not the oversight on the investigation immediately. What it shows is A. He has integrity and B. They don't or are very slow to leak. To me, this further validates his integrity.
    Exactly unlike bafoon keeping Flynn on the job for how many weeks after knowing he was compromised..
    That is an excellent analogy.  Trump didn't fire Flynn until it hit the Post and he became untenable.  Manafort went the same way.  
    Yep and if he still would be on the job if not be for good honest reporting on the matter ..
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  • JC29856
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    benjs said:
    JC29856 said:
    as expected, yet another retraction. how many this week alone? 4


    Strange, if it's a retraction, why does it read as (and state that it's) a correction? I wonder if your 'underground' news sites ever get anything wrong and admit it. If they did, would you stop looking there too? If they don't, do you assume they are hiding corrections, or do you assume that they have a perfect track record?
    curious how 3 sources got the date wrong, the same wrong date wrong? also curious the retractions and corrections are always one way!
    all these major monopolized media grouos are doing is giving trump fake news ammo. 
    currently, they can no longer afford to be wrong.

    btw, you're becoming too much like most others on here with your extremism, I point out four fake news bombshells in a week and you ask for "perfect track records". others I let go and not bother mentioning, since I appreciate your comments I'll point this out so you don't become like the others.
    #herdmentality
  • JC29856
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    Jules is asking the same thing


  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC29856 said:
    benjs said:
    JC29856 said:
    as expected, yet another retraction. how many this week alone? 4


    Strange, if it's a retraction, why does it read as (and state that it's) a correction? I wonder if your 'underground' news sites ever get anything wrong and admit it. If they did, would you stop looking there too? If they don't, do you assume they are hiding corrections, or do you assume that they have a perfect track record?
    curious how 3 sources got the date wrong, the same wrong date wrong? also curious the retractions and corrections are always one way!
    all these major monopolized media grouos are doing is giving trump fake news ammo. 
    currently, they can no longer afford to be wrong.

    btw, you're becoming too much like most others on here with your extremism, I point out four fake news bombshells in a week and you ask for "perfect track records". others I let go and not bother mentioning, since I appreciate your comments I'll point this out so you don't become like the others.
    #herdmentality
    Says the guy who propagated Comet Pizza and repeatedly misrepresented the meaning and content of Podesta’s and others’ emails for weeks. Hilarious! Thanks for the laugh.
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