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Anyone from or know of families falling apart from divisiveness of the election?

I certainly do. My family, Mostly Independents, are using their Clinton bias for refusing to not only come to terms that she lost, but, yes, not all the family voted for her. Their insistence that they are "right" and others are "wrong" creates quite the riff.

Some people will never admit defeat, even in the name of Thanksgiving and unity of family.

And that's a shame.

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,310
    Some of my Clinton supporting friends have taken this very badly. It's been sad to watch. And some of the Trump people I know are simultaneously happy he won while harboring just a little doubt that this was maybe not a good idea. As soon as they can figure out a way to blame their vote on Obama, they will.
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    There is a lot of whining out there.
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    unsung said:

    There is a lot of whining out there.

    I'm not talking "out there", I'm talking about at home. Families. Refusing defeat, refusing to let go, refusing to get along. Families breaking apart.
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Perhaps the old saying of not discussing politics at the dinner table should be put back into play.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,310
    Free said:

    unsung said:

    There is a lot of whining out there.

    I'm not talking "out there", I'm talking about at home. Families. Refusing defeat, refusing to let go, refusing to get along. Families breaking apart.
    We tried to enact a no politics rule at Thanksgiving dinner. It lasted until about dessert. I found it enlightening and we kept it civil. But...had there been another bottle of wine opened it may have gone south quickly.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Is it possible it is you that is causing the problem? Must you force them to acknowledge defeat?
    It seems like you should be more understanding of how they feel, you gave yourself months to get over Sanders' primary loss, and you expect them to get over losing practically the entire government to conservatives in weeks?

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited November 2016
    Double post
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    JimmyV said:

    Free said:

    unsung said:

    There is a lot of whining out there.

    I'm not talking "out there", I'm talking about at home. Families. Refusing defeat, refusing to let go, refusing to get along. Families breaking apart.
    We tried to enact a no politics rule at Thanksgiving dinner. It lasted until about dessert. I found it enlightening and we kept it civil. But...had there been another bottle of wine opened it may have gone south quickly.
    Kudos. My ex-BIL had to break it to his sons he didn't vote Hillary. MAJOR disappointment coming from his family. What I want to know is why his vote is anyone else's business. It isn't. Get over the "disappointment", I say.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,969
    No riffs in my family , my brother & son both voted for Bafoon all good with us ...at this point I wanna see Bafoon work I wanna see him implement all those great policies that will bring the nation together , like a registry for Muslims a deportation task force , repeal of Obamacare, repeal of gay rights , repeal of weed laws ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    unsung said:

    There is a lot of whining out there.

    There's a lot of whining about "whining" here.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,367
    breaking families apart? the presidency? what the hell?
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,845
    InHiding80 said:

    unsung said:

    There is a lot of whining out there.

    There's a lot of whining about "whining" here.
    Don't you dare whine about whining! Don't you dare! Just.......don't start.
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    breaking families apart? the presidency? what the hell?

    When your kid (nephew) worked for the state Dems, and is now working as a lobbyist (Nat'l Restaurant Assoc), and you vote for Trump?

    Yeah, I guess so. Some people can't keep perspective of what's truly important in life. Their politics get in the way.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Families falling apart?
    You have to wonder what kind of a foundation was there to start with.
    If a Hillary loss caused it well perhaps it was weak.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,969
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Families falling apart?
    You have to wonder what kind of a foundation was there to start with.
    If a Hillary loss caused it well perhaps it was weak.

    It's a two way scenario I look at it like the cause of turmoil in families is because a Bafoon won ..
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Free said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    breaking families apart? the presidency? what the hell?

    When your kid (nephew) worked for the state Dems, and is now working as a lobbyist (Nat'l Restaurant Assoc), and you vote for Trump?

    Yeah, I guess so. Some people can't keep perspective of what's truly important in life. Their politics get in the way.
    I'm confused about who is to blame? The father who voted for Trump? The kid for being a lobbyist? Did one of them disown the other?
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,310
    edited November 2016
    I love talking politics. Always have. This election and the reasons why it went the way it did will be debated for years. I look forward to it, but I understand many people on both sides need to calm down first. Get some distance, get some perspective. This can and should be a learning experience for both parties. Will it be and, if so, what lessons will be learned remain to be seen.
    Post edited by JimmyV on
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    InHiding80 said:

    unsung said:

    There is a lot of whining out there.

    There's a lot of whining about "whining" here.
    The sane call it "laughter" about whining.
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited November 2016
    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    breaking families apart? the presidency? what the hell?

    When your kid (nephew) worked for the state Dems, and is now working as a lobbyist (Nat'l Restaurant Assoc), and you vote for Trump?

    Yeah, I guess so. Some people can't keep perspective of what's truly important in life. Their politics get in the way.
    I'm confused about who is to blame? The father who voted for Trump? The kid for being a lobbyist? Did one of them disown the other?
    Neither is to blame, but my fam seems to think anyone who didn't vote Hillary is WRONG. It's the wrong way to deal w/ things, esp. with loved ones, for god's sake.
    Post edited by Free on
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    JimmyV said:

    I love talking politics. Always have. This election and the reasons why it went the way it did will be debated for years. I look forward to it, but I understand many people on both sides need to calm down first. Get some distance, get some perspective. This can and should be a learning experience for both parties. Will it be and, if so, what lessons will be learned remain to be seen.

    Only those willing to look at all angles will learn anything. The Hillary camp is probably still refusing to take blame, much like Dems in the family.

  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I'm not sure what "in the spirit of Thanksgiving" means, given your other thread.

    I'm sort of in JimmyV's camp - not that I necessarily love talking politics but I do enjoy it, when constructive and open-minded.

    (which is why I typically don't discuss it =) )

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,413
    Oh the drama. Maybe we need a reality tv show? To dramatize the drama? Perfect for Trump TV.
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562


    No shit, oh the drama.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,367
    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    breaking families apart? the presidency? what the hell?

    When your kid (nephew) worked for the state Dems, and is now working as a lobbyist (Nat'l Restaurant Assoc), and you vote for Trump?

    Yeah, I guess so. Some people can't keep perspective of what's truly important in life. Their politics get in the way.
    I'm confused about who is to blame? The father who voted for Trump? The kid for being a lobbyist? Did one of them disown the other?
    Neither is to blame, but my fam seems to think anyone who didn't vote Hillary is WRONG. It's the wrong way to deal w/ things, esp. with loved ones, for god's sake.
    crazy. we have pretty open discussions about politics if it comes up; my father in law is a staunch NDP guy (union), I think being partisan is stupid. he basically believes in one aspect of the party (for the worker) and will vote down party lines no matter what. i don't get it. my parents usually vote depending on platform, not party. my bigot brother most likely votes conservative every time, but i can't say for sure. he's outspoken on religion, but doesn't talk politics much. probably because he knows he'd be the only one at the table with his beliefs. well, besides his wife and brainwashed son.

    that reminds me. i'd better check facebook to see if he's posted any memes about how christmas is for heterosexuals.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,413
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    breaking families apart? the presidency? what the hell?

    When your kid (nephew) worked for the state Dems, and is now working as a lobbyist (Nat'l Restaurant Assoc), and you vote for Trump?

    Yeah, I guess so. Some people can't keep perspective of what's truly important in life. Their politics get in the way.
    I'm confused about who is to blame? The father who voted for Trump? The kid for being a lobbyist? Did one of them disown the other?
    Neither is to blame, but my fam seems to think anyone who didn't vote Hillary is WRONG. It's the wrong way to deal w/ things, esp. with loved ones, for god's sake.
    crazy. we have pretty open discussions about politics if it comes up; my father in law is a staunch NDP guy (union), I think being partisan is stupid. he basically believes in one aspect of the party (for the worker) and will vote down party lines no matter what. i don't get it. my parents usually vote depending on platform, not party. my bigot brother most likely votes conservative every time, but i can't say for sure. he's outspoken on religion, but doesn't talk politics much. probably because he knows he'd be the only one at the table with his beliefs. well, besides his wife and brainwashed son.

    that reminds me. i'd better check facebook to see if he's posted any memes about how christmas is for heterosexuals.
    I thought Obama canceled Christmas?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,367
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    breaking families apart? the presidency? what the hell?

    When your kid (nephew) worked for the state Dems, and is now working as a lobbyist (Nat'l Restaurant Assoc), and you vote for Trump?

    Yeah, I guess so. Some people can't keep perspective of what's truly important in life. Their politics get in the way.
    I'm confused about who is to blame? The father who voted for Trump? The kid for being a lobbyist? Did one of them disown the other?
    Neither is to blame, but my fam seems to think anyone who didn't vote Hillary is WRONG. It's the wrong way to deal w/ things, esp. with loved ones, for god's sake.
    crazy. we have pretty open discussions about politics if it comes up; my father in law is a staunch NDP guy (union), I think being partisan is stupid. he basically believes in one aspect of the party (for the worker) and will vote down party lines no matter what. i don't get it. my parents usually vote depending on platform, not party. my bigot brother most likely votes conservative every time, but i can't say for sure. he's outspoken on religion, but doesn't talk politics much. probably because he knows he'd be the only one at the table with his beliefs. well, besides his wife and brainwashed son.

    that reminds me. i'd better check facebook to see if he's posted any memes about how christmas is for heterosexuals.
    I thought Obama canceled Christmas?
    huh?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,991
    Free said:

    Anyone from or know of families falling apart from divisiveness of the election?

    I certainly do. My family, Mostly Independents, are using their Clinton bias for refusing to not only come to terms that she lost, but, yes, not all the family voted for her. Their insistence that they are "right" and others are "wrong" creates quite the riff.

    Some people will never admit defeat, even in the name of Thanksgiving and unity of family.

    And that's a shame.

    The very fact that you say "some people will never admit defeat" tells me that you are part of the cause of your little family problem.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,413
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    breaking families apart? the presidency? what the hell?

    When your kid (nephew) worked for the state Dems, and is now working as a lobbyist (Nat'l Restaurant Assoc), and you vote for Trump?

    Yeah, I guess so. Some people can't keep perspective of what's truly important in life. Their politics get in the way.
    I'm confused about who is to blame? The father who voted for Trump? The kid for being a lobbyist? Did one of them disown the other?
    Neither is to blame, but my fam seems to think anyone who didn't vote Hillary is WRONG. It's the wrong way to deal w/ things, esp. with loved ones, for god's sake.
    crazy. we have pretty open discussions about politics if it comes up; my father in law is a staunch NDP guy (union), I think being partisan is stupid. he basically believes in one aspect of the party (for the worker) and will vote down party lines no matter what. i don't get it. my parents usually vote depending on platform, not party. my bigot brother most likely votes conservative every time, but i can't say for sure. he's outspoken on religion, but doesn't talk politics much. probably because he knows he'd be the only one at the table with his beliefs. well, besides his wife and brainwashed son.

    that reminds me. i'd better check facebook to see if he's posted any memes about how christmas is for heterosexuals.
    I thought Obama canceled Christmas?
    huh?
    I thought that since Obama has held office you weren't allowed to say "Christmas" and that in fact you couldn't celebrate Christmas at all. Only kwanza and Ramadan. Don't you remember the conservative outrage on Fox and Friends? Short attention spans indeed.
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited November 2016
    PJ_Soul said:

    Free said:

    Anyone from or know of families falling apart from divisiveness of the election?

    I certainly do. My family, Mostly Independents, are using their Clinton bias for refusing to not only come to terms that she lost, but, yes, not all the family voted for her. Their insistence that they are "right" and others are "wrong" creates quite the riff.

    Some people will never admit defeat, even in the name of Thanksgiving and unity of family.

    And that's a shame.

    The very fact that you say "some people will never admit defeat" tells me that you are part of the cause of your little family problem.
    Sounds like you just want to start a fight. Yay, you. Not biting.

    Newsflash: Hillary lost.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,367
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    breaking families apart? the presidency? what the hell?

    When your kid (nephew) worked for the state Dems, and is now working as a lobbyist (Nat'l Restaurant Assoc), and you vote for Trump?

    Yeah, I guess so. Some people can't keep perspective of what's truly important in life. Their politics get in the way.
    I'm confused about who is to blame? The father who voted for Trump? The kid for being a lobbyist? Did one of them disown the other?
    Neither is to blame, but my fam seems to think anyone who didn't vote Hillary is WRONG. It's the wrong way to deal w/ things, esp. with loved ones, for god's sake.
    crazy. we have pretty open discussions about politics if it comes up; my father in law is a staunch NDP guy (union), I think being partisan is stupid. he basically believes in one aspect of the party (for the worker) and will vote down party lines no matter what. i don't get it. my parents usually vote depending on platform, not party. my bigot brother most likely votes conservative every time, but i can't say for sure. he's outspoken on religion, but doesn't talk politics much. probably because he knows he'd be the only one at the table with his beliefs. well, besides his wife and brainwashed son.

    that reminds me. i'd better check facebook to see if he's posted any memes about how christmas is for heterosexuals.
    I thought Obama canceled Christmas?
    huh?
    I thought that since Obama has held office you weren't allowed to say "Christmas" and that in fact you couldn't celebrate Christmas at all. Only kwanza and Ramadan. Don't you remember the conservative outrage on Fox and Friends? Short attention spans indeed.
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