Did our Celebrities fail us, or did we fail them?

jeffbr

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

Degeneratefk

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

How do you know that they cancelled because Bruce did? It wasn't poorly executed at all. The state of North Carolina lost millions of dollars. I'd say it was executed perfectly. The point was made and it hit them where it hurt the mkst.

HughFreakingDillon

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

fair enough. when you said moderately, I thought that was a put down.

I doubt Raleigh was all Ed's doing. He's not the president of all pearl jam operations.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

fair enough. when you said moderately, I thought that was a put down.

I doubt Raleigh was all Ed's doing. He's not the president of all pearl jam operations.

He might not have spawned the idea, but my money would be on him steering the course of the band.

HughFreakingDillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

fair enough. when you said moderately, I thought that was a put down.

I doubt Raleigh was all Ed's doing. He's not the president of all pearl jam operations.

He might not have spawned the idea, but my money would be on him steering the course of the band.

I think Jeff has a pretty active presence as well. But what I also meant was, Ed, or any member of the band, was unlikely involved in the "execution" of the decision to pull out. With a band of this magnitude, there was likely lawyers and a whole host of people involved.

jeffbr

Degeneratefk said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

How do you know that they cancelled because Bruce did? It wasn't poorly executed at all. The state of North Carolina lost millions of dollars. I'd say it was executed perfectly. The point was made and it hit them where it hurt the mkst.

It seemed pretty obvious they were following Bruce's lead. If it was the band's idea, then they did an even poorer job of execution than I currently think they did. A last minute cancellation that negatively impacts your own fans more than anyone else, is absolutely poor execution. Especially when hotels were already paid for, flights had been made, many of those fans from out of state were already there, and now instead of seeing a show, they hung out in bars and restaurants spending even more money in the state. Yes, it was poorly executed and had very little impact on the state.

jeffbr

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

fair enough. when you said moderately, I thought that was a put down.

I doubt Raleigh was all Ed's doing. He's not the president of all pearl jam operations.

He might not have spawned the idea, but my money would be on him steering the course of the band.

I think Jeff has a pretty active presence as well. But what I also meant was, Ed, or any member of the band, was unlikely involved in the "execution" of the decision to pull out. With a band of this magnitude, there was likely lawyers and a whole host of people involved.

I'm sure lawyers were involved, fines were paid, etc... But in order to get those wheels moving, someone had to make the call. Whether it was Ed or Jeff, I guess I have no idea. But Ed seems particularly enamored with Bruce, and appeared to be doing nothing more than following his lead. Either way, not the brightest decision I've seen the band make, in terms of efficacy or impact on their fans.

HughFreakingDillon

jeffbr said:

Degeneratefk said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

How do you know that they cancelled because Bruce did? It wasn't poorly executed at all. The state of North Carolina lost millions of dollars. I'd say it was executed perfectly. The point was made and it hit them where it hurt the mkst.

It seemed pretty obvious they were following Bruce's lead. If it was the band's idea, then they did an even poorer job of execution than I currently think they did. A last minute cancellation that negatively impacts your own fans more than anyone else, is absolutely poor execution. Especially when hotels were already paid for, flights had been made, many of those fans from out of state were already there, and now instead of seeing a show, they hung out in bars and restaurants spending even more money in the state. Yes, it was poorly executed and had very little impact on the state.

this has been discussed before, but I'm guessing they waited so long as they were hoping they wouldn't have to cancel. I believe they absolutely had their fans' interests at heart, but decided this issue was bigger than themselves or their fans.

I don't get why it's such a big deal that they were following someone's lead. it's not like they are sheep. obviously, from all the things they have spearheaded in the past. just because bruce did it first doesn't give their actions any less credence, in my opinion.

jeffbr

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

fair enough. when you said moderately, I thought that was a put down.

Sorry, yeah I only said it that way because I think he's just like us, not someone who has any special insight, scholarly knowledge, or divine guidance. He's just a dude with opinions. And I'm sure if he posted here anonymously, he'd have just as hard a time convincing others of his positions as we all do.

Dirtie_Frank

HughFreakingDillon said:

that second video is garbage.

1) THEY ARE ACTORS SENDING A POLITICAL MESSAGE DISPARAGING MORE FAMOUS ACTORS FOR SENDING A POLITICAL MESSAGE
2) people, famous and not famous, sometimes use all the tools at their disposal to inform and yes, influence, other humans where possible if it's something they are passionate about. Ed does this constantly. it's not different than people at a workplace having a discussion and trying to get their own point across with their political views.

i guess bobby deniro won't be punching trump in the face after all.

I understand they are actors in the second video. The point is, why should I care what a bunch of Rich Hollywood elitist want are telling me? They do not know what you or I or anyone deals with in our day to day lives. Their message would have come off better if they were just asking people to vote and saying how voting is important. However, they decided to use their fame to sway the vote. I was turned off by how they think they are somehow smarter than the rest of us and needed to tells us how to vote. To each their own if people want to listen to Hollywood types for political advise so be it.

JC29856

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

Eds decision? Does his bandmates follow his lead also?

hedonist

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

fair enough. when you said moderately, I thought that was a put down.

Sorry, yeah I only said it that way because I think he's just like us, not someone who has any special insight, scholarly knowledge, or divine guidance. He's just a dude with opinions. And I'm sure if he posted here anonymously, he'd have just as hard a time convincing others of his positions as we all do.

I was trying to find a way to say something in the same vein, then saw this - thank you.

To the original post...my main focus at this point in life is not failing myself. Why on earth would I give a shit about falling short of a stranger's expectations? Screw that.

And the only difference between myself and famous people is that I'm not famous. They shit and they stink. So do I. So do you.

Being in the public eye doesn't elevate anyone, nor should it.

HughFreakingDillon

Dirtie_Frank said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

that second video is garbage.

1) THEY ARE ACTORS SENDING A POLITICAL MESSAGE DISPARAGING MORE FAMOUS ACTORS FOR SENDING A POLITICAL MESSAGE
2) people, famous and not famous, sometimes use all the tools at their disposal to inform and yes, influence, other humans where possible if it's something they are passionate about. Ed does this constantly. it's not different than people at a workplace having a discussion and trying to get their own point across with their political views.

i guess bobby deniro won't be punching trump in the face after all.

I understand they are actors in the second video. The point is, why should I care what a bunch of Rich Hollywood elitist want are telling me? They do not know what you or I or anyone deals with in our day to day lives. Their message would have come off better if they were just asking people to vote and saying how voting is important. However, they decided to use their fame to sway the vote. I was turned off by how they think they are somehow smarter than the rest of us and needed to tells us how to vote. To each their own if people want to listen to Hollywood types for political advise so be it.

it just puts a face to the message. you are more likely to pay attention to the dialogue if it is someone familiar to you. that's just marketing. and if you have, or if you think you have, the "power" to influence something you deem to be important, why not use that influence?

I personally loved the video from a few years back where hayden pennetiere told some republican to fuck off. can't recall if it was mccain or bush. I thought that was hilarious.

JC29856

hedonist said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

fair enough. when you said moderately, I thought that was a put down.

Sorry, yeah I only said it that way because I think he's just like us, not someone who has any special insight, scholarly knowledge, or divine guidance. He's just a dude with opinions. And I'm sure if he posted here anonymously, he'd have just as hard a time convincing others of his positions as we all do.

I was trying to find a way to say something in the same vein, then saw this - thank you.

To the original post...my main focus at this point in life is not failing myself. Why on earth would I give a shit about falling short of a stranger's expectations? Screw that.

And the only difference between myself and famous people is that I'm not famous. They shit and they stink. So do I. So do you.

Being in the public eye doesn't elevate anyone, nor should it.

KABOOM.

I'll will add this, money can allow for worldly experiences that those without could never imagine.

Degeneratefk

jeffbr said:

Degeneratefk said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

How do you know that they cancelled because Bruce did? It wasn't poorly executed at all. The state of North Carolina lost millions of dollars. I'd say it was executed perfectly. The point was made and it hit them where it hurt the mkst.

It seemed pretty obvious they were following Bruce's lead. If it was the band's idea, then they did an even poorer job of execution than I currently think they did. A last minute cancellation that negatively impacts your own fans more than anyone else, is absolutely poor execution. Especially when hotels were already paid for, flights had been made, many of those fans from out of state were already there, and now instead of seeing a show, they hung out in bars and restaurants spending even more money in the state. Yes, it was poorly executed and had very little impact on the state.

You're naive if you think the state doesnt feel the impact of millions of dollars not coming into the state.

jeffbr

Degeneratefk said:

jeffbr said:

Degeneratefk said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

How do you know that they cancelled because Bruce did? It wasn't poorly executed at all. The state of North Carolina lost millions of dollars. I'd say it was executed perfectly. The point was made and it hit them where it hurt the mkst.

It seemed pretty obvious they were following Bruce's lead. If it was the band's idea, then they did an even poorer job of execution than I currently think they did. A last minute cancellation that negatively impacts your own fans more than anyone else, is absolutely poor execution. Especially when hotels were already paid for, flights had been made, many of those fans from out of state were already there, and now instead of seeing a show, they hung out in bars and restaurants spending even more money in the state. Yes, it was poorly executed and had very little impact on the state.

You're naive if you think the state doesnt feel the impact of millions of dollars not coming into the state.

PJ's last minute cancellation didn't result in millions of dollars not coming into the state. Most of the travelling fans were either already there or en route. And they still spent at least as much money there as they would have if PJ had played. Sorry, this move was all show and no impact. Had they cancelled well in advance I would feel completely different about it. It was the timing that resulted in it being a fail.

PP193448

hedonist said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

fair enough. when you said moderately, I thought that was a put down.

Sorry, yeah I only said it that way because I think he's just like us, not someone who has any special insight, scholarly knowledge, or divine guidance. He's just a dude with opinions. And I'm sure if he posted here anonymously, he'd have just as hard a time convincing others of his positions as we all do.

I was trying to find a way to say something in the same vein, then saw this - thank you.

To the original post...my main focus at this point in life is not failing myself. Why on earth would I give a shit about falling short of a stranger's expectations? Screw that.

And the only difference between myself and famous people is that I'm not famous. They shit and they stink. So do I. So do you.

Being in the public eye doesn't elevate anyone, nor should it.

Doesn't your shit smell like roses???

Degeneratefk

jeffbr said:

Degeneratefk said:

jeffbr said:

Degeneratefk said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

How do you know that they cancelled because Bruce did? It wasn't poorly executed at all. The state of North Carolina lost millions of dollars. I'd say it was executed perfectly. The point was made and it hit them where it hurt the mkst.

It seemed pretty obvious they were following Bruce's lead. If it was the band's idea, then they did an even poorer job of execution than I currently think they did. A last minute cancellation that negatively impacts your own fans more than anyone else, is absolutely poor execution. Especially when hotels were already paid for, flights had been made, many of those fans from out of state were already there, and now instead of seeing a show, they hung out in bars and restaurants spending even more money in the state. Yes, it was poorly executed and had very little impact on the state.

You're naive if you think the state doesnt feel the impact of millions of dollars not coming into the state.

PJ's last minute cancellation didn't result in millions of dollars not coming into the state. Most of the travelling fans were either already there or en route. And they still spent at least as much money there as they would have if PJ had played. Sorry, this move was all show and no impact. Had they cancelled well in advance I would feel completely different about it. It was the timing that resulted in it being a fail.

Pearl jam wasn't the only cancellation.

jeffbr

Degeneratefk said:

jeffbr said:

Degeneratefk said:

jeffbr said:

Degeneratefk said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

How do you know that they cancelled because Bruce did? It wasn't poorly executed at all. The state of North Carolina lost millions of dollars. I'd say it was executed perfectly. The point was made and it hit them where it hurt the mkst.

It seemed pretty obvious they were following Bruce's lead. If it was the band's idea, then they did an even poorer job of execution than I currently think they did. A last minute cancellation that negatively impacts your own fans more than anyone else, is absolutely poor execution. Especially when hotels were already paid for, flights had been made, many of those fans from out of state were already there, and now instead of seeing a show, they hung out in bars and restaurants spending even more money in the state. Yes, it was poorly executed and had very little impact on the state.

You're naive if you think the state doesnt feel the impact of millions of dollars not coming into the state.

PJ's last minute cancellation didn't result in millions of dollars not coming into the state. Most of the travelling fans were either already there or en route. And they still spent at least as much money there as they would have if PJ had played. Sorry, this move was all show and no impact. Had they cancelled well in advance I would feel completely different about it. It was the timing that resulted in it being a fail.

Pearl jam wasn't the only cancellation.

Correct. And nowhere have I said that cancellations or boycotts are/were ineffective. Only that PJ's last-minute move was counterproductive.

hedonist

PP193448 said:

hedonist said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Do people actually use a moderately intelligent, frequently intoxicated, rock band front man as their moral or political compass? Yikes.

"moderately intelligent"?

I'd wager they don't. I'd say it's more that they agree with him, not that they follow his lead.

I don't think he's genius. I think he's moderately intelligent like the rest of us. And I hope you're right about that, but people often seem to wait for Ed to make a move before jumping in. And after the band's fiasco in North Carolina, I think "moderately" could be a little generous. Ed followed Bruce's lead and made a poorly thought out and executed decision, in my estimation.

fair enough. when you said moderately, I thought that was a put down.

Sorry, yeah I only said it that way because I think he's just like us, not someone who has any special insight, scholarly knowledge, or divine guidance. He's just a dude with opinions. And I'm sure if he posted here anonymously, he'd have just as hard a time convincing others of his positions as we all do.

I was trying to find a way to say something in the same vein, then saw this - thank you.

To the original post...my main focus at this point in life is not failing myself. Why on earth would I give a shit about falling short of a stranger's expectations? Screw that.

And the only difference between myself and famous people is that I'm not famous. They shit and they stink. So do I. So do you.

Being in the public eye doesn't elevate anyone, nor should it.

Doesn't your shit smell like roses???

Doesn't everyone's?