Dem Party

Tim Simmons

Someone who can appeal to me offer something to working class Americans. 

Tim Simmons

I thought this was interesting. 

AOC asked her followers who voted for her and Trump to weigh in on why.

Kinda illuminating and Democrats need to take it to heart if they want to win.

https://x.com/aaronnarraph/status/1855962504712552829

Tim Simmons

The sad disconnect is Trump doesn't really want to do shit for Working Class people, but we already knew that. But also, most Americans are not deeply engaged in policy.

DE4173

From the candidates that received Democratic Pledged Delegates for 2020 and outlook for 2028 run:

Sanders: Probably not.

Warren: Maybe? I'd like her and would like to see her back.

Bloomberg: Maybe?

Buttigieg: Maybe unless he seeks another role. I like him a lot and hope he runs again.

Klobuchar: Maybe? I hope she runs again.

Gabbard: I'm going to go out on a limb and say no. We'll see...😉


A deep bench for sure after this group.

Gern Blansten

DE4173 said:

From the candidates that received Democratic Pledged Delegates for 2020 and outlook for 2028 run:

Sanders: Probably not.

Warren: Maybe? I'd like her and would like to see her back.

Bloomberg: Maybe?

Buttigieg: Maybe unless he seeks another role. I like him a lot and hope he runs again.

Klobuchar: Maybe? I hope she runs again.

Gabbard: I'm going to go out on a limb and say no. We'll see...😉


A deep bench for sure after this group.

Sanders/Bloom/Warren are too old...not going to happen

I'm not sure if Buttigieg would have a shot. Electing a woman seems to be a giant hurdle and I have a hard time seeing a homosexual get over that. I think he is great though. Well spoken and intelligent as hell.

Newsom...really like him but I do wonder if he would be considered "too liberal"? 

Tim Simmons

The dems need to put up an outsider. Maybe a governor who can deliver for the working class. 

AOC is not a bad candidate. 

mookieblalock

Tim Simmons said:

The dems need to put up an outsider. Maybe a governor who can deliver for the working class. 

AOC is not a bad candidate. 

Respectfully, she’s a terrible candidate; too far left to get the majority of votes, no matter what you think of her or her policies. 

Tim Simmons

But her policies are what the working class voters want.

HughFreakingDillon

Tim Simmons said:

But her policies are what the working class voters want.

Mookie’s right. She will easily be labelled a communist/marxist and would get trounced. Going farther left would be a massive mistake. 

Dems need to focus on personality. A very large swath of trump voters clearly don’t understand policy and how he’ll make the lives of the middle class worse. 

Tim Simmons

What can the center offer to bring back voters?

Tim Simmons

Kamala was pretty center. Several policies were more left. And voters still said nah.

Gern Blansten

Harris had it right to increase the child credit...not sure why she didn't push that a lot harder.

She had a good idea with the $50K deduction for self employed people too. trump pushed his "no tax on tips" shit but that only benefits certain people and doesn't really make sense. Why should their income be exempt but a roofer's income isn't? Stupid.

Dems should run on eliminating the income tax for those making $50K or less. 

Tim Simmons

HughFreakingDillon said:

Tim Simmons said:

But her policies are what the working class voters want.

She will easily be labelled a communist/marxist . 

They are gonna do this with whoever they put up. Moving to the right will not prevent this.

Tim Simmons

Probably why they want to dismantle the DOE and public schooling. To prevent people from learning what Communism really is so they can define it.

cutz

Gern Blansten said:

DE4173 said:

From the candidates that received Democratic Pledged Delegates for 2020 and outlook for 2028 run:

Sanders: Probably not.

Warren: Maybe? I'd like her and would like to see her back.

Bloomberg: Maybe?

Buttigieg: Maybe unless he seeks another role. I like him a lot and hope he runs again.

Klobuchar: Maybe? I hope she runs again.

Gabbard: I'm going to go out on a limb and say no. We'll see...😉


A deep bench for sure after this group.

Sanders/Bloom/Warren are too old...not going to happen

I'm not sure if Buttigieg would have a shot. Electing a woman seems to be a giant hurdle and I have a hard time seeing a homosexual get over that. I think he is great though. Well spoken and intelligent as hell.

Newsom...really like him but I do wonder if he would be considered "too liberal"? 

The few times I've listened to Pete Buttigieg he's very impressive and quick-witted. 

But, since the Country has no desire to Elect a woman I doubt the Country would elect a gay man. 

brianlux

Tim Simmons said:

The dems need to put up an outsider. Maybe a governor who can deliver for the working class. 

AOC is not a bad candidate. 

Am I the only one who wonders why the working class feels so down trodden?  The bigger problem is that a few people have almost all the wealth.   And besides, the working class are better off now under Biden than they will be under the Felon's thumb.   And maybe we need more emphasis on learning the difference between want and need.  And why is the growth economy (which is based on the belief in growth for the sake of growth, the ideology of the cancer cell) the focus of so much of politics rather than the health of the planet, and equality, and ending racism, sexism, and homophobia?  This whole thing seems all out of whack to me.

Gern Blansten

brianlux said:

Tim Simmons said:

The dems need to put up an outsider. Maybe a governor who can deliver for the working class. 

AOC is not a bad candidate. 

Am I the only one who wonders why the working class feels so down trodden?  The bigger problem is that a few people have almost all the wealth.   And besides, the working class are better off now under Biden than they will be under the Felon's thumb.   And maybe we need more emphasis on learning the difference between want and need.  And why is the growth economy (which is based on the belief in growth for the sake of growth, the ideology of the cancer cell) the focus of so much of politics rather than the health of the planet, and equality, and ending racism, sexism, and homophobia?  This whole thing seems all out of whack to me.

They were left out. Harris should have courted them more with tax cuts, etc. She did throw out several ideas but it just didn't stick like the "no tax on tips, no tax on OT" bullshit from captain fuckface.

In hindsight they really blew it with the low income voters and male GenZ

HughFreakingDillon

Tim Simmons said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Tim Simmons said:

But her policies are what the working class voters want.

She will easily be labelled a communist/marxist . 

They are gonna do this with whoever they put up. Moving to the right will not prevent this.

That’s why policy doesn’t even matter at this point. It’s messaging. I’m convinced more than ever that the best messenger wins. Policy be damned. 

But AOC is easy to convince the voters that she is a commie/terrorist/whatever. They’ve already done it. 

Tim Simmons

brianlux said:

Tim Simmons said:

The dems need to put up an outsider. Maybe a governor who can deliver for the working class. 

AOC is not a bad candidate. 

  And why is the growth economy (which is based on the belief in growth for the sake of growth, the ideology of the cancer cell) the focus of so much of politics rather than the health of the planet, and equality, and ending racism, sexism, and homophobia?  This whole thing seems all out of whack to me.

Because humans are inherently selfish.

brianlux

Tim Simmons said:

brianlux said:

Tim Simmons said:

The dems need to put up an outsider. Maybe a governor who can deliver for the working class. 

AOC is not a bad candidate. 

  And why is the growth economy (which is based on the belief in growth for the sake of growth, the ideology of the cancer cell) the focus of so much of politics rather than the health of the planet, and equality, and ending racism, sexism, and homophobia?  This whole thing seems all out of whack to me.

Because humans are inherently selfish.

Yeah, lol, ain't that the truth!   Too bad being selfish is so often very self-defeating. 

Gern Blansten

Tim Simmons said:

brianlux said:

Tim Simmons said:

The dems need to put up an outsider. Maybe a governor who can deliver for the working class. 

AOC is not a bad candidate. 

  And why is the growth economy (which is based on the belief in growth for the sake of growth, the ideology of the cancer cell) the focus of so much of politics rather than the health of the planet, and equality, and ending racism, sexism, and homophobia?  This whole thing seems all out of whack to me.

Because humans are inherently selfish.

Yeah the magats still use the old "sure is cold today...so much for global warming" argument

Lerxst1992

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Tim Simmons said:

The dems need to put up an outsider. Maybe a governor who can deliver for the working class. 

AOC is not a bad candidate. 

Am I the only one who wonders why the working class feels so down trodden?  The bigger problem is that a few people have almost all the wealth.   And besides, the working class are better off now under Biden than they will be under the Felon's thumb.   And maybe we need more emphasis on learning the difference between want and need.  And why is the growth economy (which is based on the belief in growth for the sake of growth, the ideology of the cancer cell) the focus of so much of politics rather than the health of the planet, and equality, and ending racism, sexism, and homophobia?  This whole thing seems all out of whack to me.

They were left out. Harris should have courted them more with tax cuts, etc. She did throw out several ideas but it just didn't stick like the "no tax on tips, no tax on OT" bullshit from captain fuckface.

In hindsight they really blew it with the low income voters and male GenZ

If we are to believe exit polls, the election was lost because the Dems lost a quarter of the Latino vote, after doing nothing when the Cuban vote in Miami flipped 300,000 votes in 2020.

We can easily confirm exit polls by looking at how weak the Dems performed in states with the largest Latino populations. NY TX FL NJ…Holy f*ckstick he almost won Jersey.

going on a wild guess here but if the dem leadership is thinking like this, the Dems are toast for awhile.

think hard about the working class Latino vote. Hourly workers… manual labor…hard working. The last thing that speaks to these voters is some complicated tax cut plan or fancy govt program (or trans rights)  and it’s likely most of them don’t pay much (income) tax to begin with.

Tim Simmons

Do not believe Exit Polling at this point. Wait until Pew releases its polling in a few months. Immediate Exit Polling is always flawed

mrussel1

Tim Simmons said:

Do not believe Exit Polling at this point. Wait until Pew releases its polling in a few months. Immediate Exit Polling is always flawed

look at Miami Dade. It went red. I was shocked to see that. Hillary clobbered Trump there. I have no doubts he flipped Latinos. 

nicknyr15

mrussel1 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Do not believe Exit Polling at this point. Wait until Pew releases its polling in a few months. Immediate Exit Polling is always flawed

look at Miami Dade. It went red. I was shocked to see that. Hillary clobbered Trump there. I have no doubts he flipped Latinos. 

There’s a lot of resentment from legal
immigrants Towards illegal immigrants. Thats another issue as well. They’re the ones that actually lose work to them. Not some lazy white dude. 

Gern Blansten

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Tim Simmons said:

The dems need to put up an outsider. Maybe a governor who can deliver for the working class. 

AOC is not a bad candidate. 

Am I the only one who wonders why the working class feels so down trodden?  The bigger problem is that a few people have almost all the wealth.   And besides, the working class are better off now under Biden than they will be under the Felon's thumb.   And maybe we need more emphasis on learning the difference between want and need.  And why is the growth economy (which is based on the belief in growth for the sake of growth, the ideology of the cancer cell) the focus of so much of politics rather than the health of the planet, and equality, and ending racism, sexism, and homophobia?  This whole thing seems all out of whack to me.

They were left out. Harris should have courted them more with tax cuts, etc. She did throw out several ideas but it just didn't stick like the "no tax on tips, no tax on OT" bullshit from captain fuckface.

In hindsight they really blew it with the low income voters and male GenZ

If we are to believe exit polls, the election was lost because the Dems lost a quarter of the Latino vote, after doing nothing when the Cuban vote in Miami flipped 300,000 votes in 2020.

We can easily confirm exit polls by looking at how weak the Dems performed in states with the largest Latino populations. NY TX FL NJ…Holy f*ckstick he almost won Jersey.

going on a wild guess here but if the dem leadership is thinking like this, the Dems are toast for awhile.

think hard about the working class Latino vote. Hourly workers… manual labor…hard working. The last thing that speaks to these voters is some complicated tax cut plan or fancy govt program (or trans rights)  and it’s likely most of them don’t pay much (income) tax to begin with.

I'm not talking about complication...the child credit doesn't get much easier. If we increase the credit from $2K to $6K per child that is huge.

I just don't think Harris explained it well enough. 

Lerxst1992

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Tim Simmons said:

The dems need to put up an outsider. Maybe a governor who can deliver for the working class. 

AOC is not a bad candidate. 

Am I the only one who wonders why the working class feels so down trodden?  The bigger problem is that a few people have almost all the wealth.   And besides, the working class are better off now under Biden than they will be under the Felon's thumb.   And maybe we need more emphasis on learning the difference between want and need.  And why is the growth economy (which is based on the belief in growth for the sake of growth, the ideology of the cancer cell) the focus of so much of politics rather than the health of the planet, and equality, and ending racism, sexism, and homophobia?  This whole thing seems all out of whack to me.

They were left out. Harris should have courted them more with tax cuts, etc. She did throw out several ideas but it just didn't stick like the "no tax on tips, no tax on OT" bullshit from captain fuckface.

In hindsight they really blew it with the low income voters and male GenZ

If we are to believe exit polls, the election was lost because the Dems lost a quarter of the Latino vote, after doing nothing when the Cuban vote in Miami flipped 300,000 votes in 2020.

We can easily confirm exit polls by looking at how weak the Dems performed in states with the largest Latino populations. NY TX FL NJ…Holy f*ckstick he almost won Jersey.

going on a wild guess here but if the dem leadership is thinking like this, the Dems are toast for awhile.

think hard about the working class Latino vote. Hourly workers… manual labor…hard working. The last thing that speaks to these voters is some complicated tax cut plan or fancy govt program (or trans rights)  and it’s likely most of them don’t pay much (income) tax to begin with.

I'm not talking about complication...the child credit doesn't get much easier. If we increase the credit from $2K to $6K per child that is huge.

I just don't think Harris explained it well enough. 

You are correct, for audiences like me and you. Unfortunately it does not look like that resonates with the working class Latinos that flipped for trump 

Lerxst1992

nicknyr15 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Do not believe Exit Polling at this point. Wait until Pew releases its polling in a few months. Immediate Exit Polling is always flawed

look at Miami Dade. It went red. I was shocked to see that. Hillary clobbered Trump there. I have no doubts he flipped Latinos. 

There’s a lot of resentment from legal
immigrants Towards illegal immigrants. Thats another issue as well. They’re the ones that actually lose work to them. Not some lazy white dude. 

Nick, you are spot on. The Texas Gov was smart enough to know that busing migrants to Manhattan would create chaos and it did. Even if stats show that undocumented migrants have a lower crime rate than everyone else, it doesn’t matter. The city has become a mess and democrats lost ten points in NYS

As far as Tim’s comment about waiting for Pew, that would be a big mistake from democrats. Go state by state and look at trumps gains from four and eight years ago in the states with larger Latino populations, vs states with a smaller one. NY already mentioned.

TX and FL are two states Dems used to be hopeful about. Not anymore. Trump gained over ten points in each, as he also did in NJ, which was almost as competitive as the swing states.

Tim Simmons

I’m just saying, we can wait 3 months for the best polling info. That’s all. 

Tim Simmons

it may be very well the case Latinos peace’s out in a greater number. Also dems aren’t fucking this shit in those 3 months. They can wait to come up with a longer term plan of action until then.