National Athem Singers Now Taking Knees...

lukin2006

Watch: Heat national anthem singer takes knee, wears Black Lives Matter shirt

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/10/21/miami-heat-national-anthem-singer-kneels-black-lives-matter-shirt

Kings national anthem singer takes knee during performance

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/10/11/sacramento-kings-national-anthem-singer-takes-knee-video

Kind of ridiculous, then decline to sing the national athem...turn down the pay...

Degeneratefk

Nothing ridiculous about it. It's the most basic form of peaceful protest. I know many of you, including myself, have issues with the BLM movement. Would you rather they protest like this, or take it to the streets like they've done in many cities in the past?

pjalive21

Degeneratefk said:

Nothing ridiculous about it. It's the most basic form of peaceful protest. I know many of you, including myself, have issues with the BLM movement. Would you rather they protest like this, or take it to the streets like they've done in many cities in the past?

isn't volunteering to sing the anthem then protesting it at the same time kind of hypocritical? it makes them look ridiculous

HughFreakingDillon

pjalive21 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Nothing ridiculous about it. It's the most basic form of peaceful protest. I know many of you, including myself, have issues with the BLM movement. Would you rather they protest like this, or take it to the streets like they've done in many cities in the past?

isn't volunteering to sing the anthem then protesting it at the same time kind of hypocritical? it makes them look ridiculous

no, it's saying "I love my country, but improvements are needed, stop ignoring them".

Jason P

You had one job ...

pjhawks

pjalive21 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Nothing ridiculous about it. It's the most basic form of peaceful protest. I know many of you, including myself, have issues with the BLM movement. Would you rather they protest like this, or take it to the streets like they've done in many cities in the past?

isn't volunteering to sing the anthem then protesting it at the same time kind of hypocritical? it makes them look ridiculous

yes it does

josevolution

It doesn't bother me ..

Godfather.

reminds me of little kids screaming in the front yard because dad said you have get your chores done before you go play.

Godfather.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Singing the praises of a country... while at the same time protesting it.

The ultimate selfie: "Watch me. Watch me. Get ready everybody. Sshh. Get ready. Here it comes. See me? See me? My knee is down like that QB on that team. And now listen to my awesomeness. Ouch. F**k me. My knee hurts. This floor is hard. Oh yeah. Black lives matter. Vote Hillary."

But it doesn't really bug me. People have looked much stupider doing much less. It's actually become comical to me.

HughFreakingDillon

Godfather. said:

reminds me of little kids screaming in the front yard because dad said you have get your chores done before you go play.

Godfather.

you haven't the slightest idea of the plight of the minority, obviously.

lukin2006

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Singing the praises of a country... while at the same time protesting it.

The ultimate selfie: "Watch me. Watch me. Get ready everybody. Sshh. Get ready. Here it comes. See me? See me? My knee is down like that QB on that team. And now listen to my awesomeness. Ouch. F**k me. My knee hurts. This floor is hard. Oh yeah. Black lives matter. Vote Hillary."

But it doesn't really bug me. People have looked much stupider doing much less. It's actually become comical to me.

Exactly, if you feel that bad about your country then don't represent the country by singing the anthem.

HughFreakingDillon

seems that the idea of peaceful protest is lost on many of you. if you don't protest on a stage where people see you, it has zero effect. pretty simple.

Jason P

HughFreakingDillon said:

seems that the idea of peaceful protest is lost on many of you. if you don't protest on a stage where people see you, it has zero effect. pretty simple.

So how is the kneeling working? Any metrics established yet to track effectiveness?

HughFreakingDillon

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

seems that the idea of peaceful protest is lost on many of you. if you don't protest on a stage where people see you, it has zero effect. pretty simple.

So how is the kneeling working? Any metrics established yet to track effectiveness?

well, this thread for one. one website whose main function has nothing to do with sports or politics. it wouldn't exist without it. it's called bringing awareness.

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

reminds me of little kids screaming in the front yard because dad said you have get your chores done before you go play.

Godfather.

you haven't the slightest idea of the plight of the minority, obviously.

and you do ? shall I break out my violin for a spoiled football player ?

Godfather.

Jason P

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

seems that the idea of peaceful protest is lost on many of you. if you don't protest on a stage where people see you, it has zero effect. pretty simple.

So how is the kneeling working? Any metrics established yet to track effectiveness?

well, this thread for one. one website whose main function has nothing to do with sports or politics. it wouldn't exist without it. it's called bringing awareness.

It's bringing divisiveness

HughFreakingDillon

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

reminds me of little kids screaming in the front yard because dad said you have get your chores done before you go play.

Godfather.

you haven't the slightest idea of the plight of the minority, obviously.

and you do ? shall I break out my violin for a spoiled football player ?

Godfather.

um, yeah, I do.

he's not doing this for himself, no matter what people say. he's bringing awareness to a national problem. he's making a statement for those who don't have that platform.

he's not expecting your violin. he's hoping people like you will stop saying "get over it" and actually do something positive for a change instead of spreading hate and ignorance.

Go Beavers

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

seems that the idea of peaceful protest is lost on many of you. if you don't protest on a stage where people see you, it has zero effect. pretty simple.

So how is the kneeling working? Any metrics established yet to track effectiveness?

well, this thread for one. one website whose main function has nothing to do with sports or politics. it wouldn't exist without it. it's called bringing awareness.

It's bringing divisiveness

Do you have an effective way to measure this divisiveness? I see divisiveness coming from people who are in denial about racism in our country and want to minimize it's effects. Their defensiveness creates the divisiveness.

pjhawks

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

seems that the idea of peaceful protest is lost on many of you. if you don't protest on a stage where people see you, it has zero effect. pretty simple.

So how is the kneeling working? Any metrics established yet to track effectiveness?

well, this thread for one. one website whose main function has nothing to do with sports or politics. it wouldn't exist without it. it's called bringing awareness.

It's bringing divisiveness

Do you have an effective way to measure this divisiveness? I see divisiveness coming from people who are in denial about racism in our country and want to minimize it's effects. Their defensiveness creates the divisiveness.

you can be against people kneeling for the National Anthem but not be in denial about racism. As I've said before I don't think it's appropriate to do this during the National Anthem but by saying that I surely am not advocating that there aren't racial issues to be addressed in this country. the two do not go hand-in-hand.

Go Beavers

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

seems that the idea of peaceful protest is lost on many of you. if you don't protest on a stage where people see you, it has zero effect. pretty simple.

So how is the kneeling working? Any metrics established yet to track effectiveness?

well, this thread for one. one website whose main function has nothing to do with sports or politics. it wouldn't exist without it. it's called bringing awareness.

It's bringing divisiveness

Do you have an effective way to measure this divisiveness? I see divisiveness coming from people who are in denial about racism in our country and want to minimize it's effects. Their defensiveness creates the divisiveness.

you can be against people kneeling for the National Anthem but not be in denial about racism. As I've said before I don't think it's appropriate to do this during the National Anthem but by saying that I surely am not advocating that there aren't racial issues to be addressed in this country. the two do not go hand-in-hand.

I agree, and being against them kneeling doesn't mean you're being divisive. My point is that divisiveness isn't created by the protest, it's created by the person responding divisively.

Jason P

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

seems that the idea of peaceful protest is lost on many of you. if you don't protest on a stage where people see you, it has zero effect. pretty simple.

So how is the kneeling working? Any metrics established yet to track effectiveness?

well, this thread for one. one website whose main function has nothing to do with sports or politics. it wouldn't exist without it. it's called bringing awareness.

It's bringing divisiveness

Do you have an effective way to measure this divisiveness? I see divisiveness coming from people who are in denial about racism in our country and want to minimize it's effects. Their defensiveness creates the divisiveness.

It's not a denial of racism. People find it disrespectful, thus they won't be swayed to side with whatever point protesters are trying to make. Same thing when people think it's wise to shut down traffic to bring awareness. How many people are going to side with them while stewing away in anger on a freeway?

There must be wiser and more effective ways to bring about change. Pissing people off clearly isn't working.

Cliffy6745

Jason P said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

seems that the idea of peaceful protest is lost on many of you. if you don't protest on a stage where people see you, it has zero effect. pretty simple.

So how is the kneeling working? Any metrics established yet to track effectiveness?

well, this thread for one. one website whose main function has nothing to do with sports or politics. it wouldn't exist without it. it's called bringing awareness.

It's bringing divisiveness

Do you have an effective way to measure this divisiveness? I see divisiveness coming from people who are in denial about racism in our country and want to minimize it's effects. Their defensiveness creates the divisiveness.

It's not a denial of racism. People find it disrespectful, thus they won't be swayed to side with whatever point protesters are trying to make. Same thing when people think it's wise to shut down traffic to bring awareness. How many people are going to side with them while stewing away in anger on a freeway?

There must be wiser and more effective ways to bring about change. Pissing people off clearly isn't working.

I am pretty sure the entire civil rights movement was based on peacefully pissing people off.

HughFreakingDillon

Jason P said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

seems that the idea of peaceful protest is lost on many of you. if you don't protest on a stage where people see you, it has zero effect. pretty simple.

So how is the kneeling working? Any metrics established yet to track effectiveness?

well, this thread for one. one website whose main function has nothing to do with sports or politics. it wouldn't exist without it. it's called bringing awareness.

It's bringing divisiveness

Do you have an effective way to measure this divisiveness? I see divisiveness coming from people who are in denial about racism in our country and want to minimize it's effects. Their defensiveness creates the divisiveness.

It's not a denial of racism. People find it disrespectful, thus they won't be swayed to side with whatever point protesters are trying to make. Same thing when people think it's wise to shut down traffic to bring awareness. How many people are going to side with them while stewing away in anger on a freeway?

There must be wiser and more effective ways to bring about change. Pissing people off clearly isn't working.

to be fair, most protests of this nature are deemed disrespectful because of when it's done. look at those two guys in the olympics back in the 70's was it, standing on the podium with their fists in the air. they were vilified in the press and the public. now they are considered heroes with their own statues.

g under p

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jason P said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jason P said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

seems that the idea of peaceful protest is lost on many of you. if you don't protest on a stage where people see you, it has zero effect. pretty simple.

So how is the kneeling working? Any metrics established yet to track effectiveness?

well, this thread for one. one website whose main function has nothing to do with sports or politics. it wouldn't exist without it. it's called bringing awareness.

It's bringing divisiveness

Do you have an effective way to measure this divisiveness? I see divisiveness coming from people who are in denial about racism in our country and want to minimize it's effects. Their defensiveness creates the divisiveness.

It's not a denial of racism. People find it disrespectful, thus they won't be swayed to side with whatever point protesters are trying to make. Same thing when people think it's wise to shut down traffic to bring awareness. How many people are going to side with them while stewing away in anger on a freeway?

There must be wiser and more effective ways to bring about change. Pissing people off clearly isn't working.

to be fair, most protests of this nature are deemed disrespectful because of when it's done. look at those two guys in the olympics back in the 70's was it, standing on the podium with their fists in the air. they were vilified in the press and the public. now they are considered heroes with their own statues.

John Carlos and Tommie Smith were given hell upon there return to the US. Years later they were glad they protested on that Olympic stage and I agree that was the appropriate stage go make that civil rights protest.

Peace

dignin

Degeneratefk said:

Nothing ridiculous about it. It's the most basic form of peaceful protest. I know many of you, including myself, have issues with the BLM movement. Would you rather they protest like this, or take it to the streets like they've done in many cities in the past?

First response nailed it. Good stuff.

eddiec

So everyone seems to agree there are racial inequalities in the country.
But people are against BLM because of violent related actions.
Now some people are against the kneelers and their peaceful protests because it 'disrespects' the country or something.
Sounds like the South in '60's. Know your place boy.

brianlux

eddiec said:

So everyone seems to agree there are racial inequalities in the country.
But people are against BLM because of violent related actions.
Now some people are against the kneelers and their peaceful protests because it 'disrespects' the country or something.
Sounds like the South in '60's. Know your place boy.

No way to win, is there eddiec.

Thankfully, we've come along way since the deep south 60's but we're not there yet.

pjhawks

let me guess you folks are going to rip the Sixers for not letting woman sing with a 'we matter' shirt. We matter? guess that's a new one. in my opinion as an invited guest you don't get to do whatever you want.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Sixers-Anthem-Singer-We-Matter-Jersey-Got-Her-Booted-From-Singing-398800261.html

HughFreakingDillon

pjhawks said:

let me guess you folks are going to rip the Sixers for not letting woman sing with a 'we matter' shirt. We matter? guess that's a new one. in my opinion as an invited guest you don't get to do whatever you want.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Sixers-Anthem-Singer-We-Matter-Jersey-Got-Her-Booted-From-Singing-398800261.html

that's a tough one. I'm not so sure about that yet. while she said she was never given any type of dresscode, it is obviously still up to the organization what is deemed appropriate. however, it's not like it was a violent or obsene message on the shirt. just sounds like the sixers don't want to be involved in this.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjhawks said:

let me guess you folks are going to rip the Sixers for not letting woman sing with a 'we matter' shirt. We matter? guess that's a new one. in my opinion as an invited guest you don't get to do whatever you want.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Sixers-Anthem-Singer-We-Matter-Jersey-Got-Her-Booted-From-Singing-398800261.html

that's a tough one. I'm not so sure about that yet. while she said she was never given any type of dresscode, it is obviously still up to the organization what is deemed appropriate. however, it's not like it was a violent or obsene message on the shirt. just sounds like the sixers don't want to be involved in this.

Isn't it up to the organization how they want the anthem sang as well?

Jason P

pjhawks said:

let me guess you folks are going to rip the Sixers for not letting woman sing with a 'we matter' shirt. We matter? guess that's a new one. in my opinion as an invited guest you don't get to do whatever you want.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Sixers-Anthem-Singer-We-Matter-Jersey-Got-Her-Booted-From-Singing-398800261.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E09LU6XVyxs