Vermont, Denver and Phoenix celebrate Native Americans, not genocide.

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  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day


    Sums it up pretty well.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    Degeneratefk said:

    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day


    Sums it up pretty well.

    Pretty cool learning about Bartolomé.

    And don't get me wrong, DF, that article is great and learning about Bartolomé is fine but I personally am more inclined to go with the idea of celebrating the American Indians today rather than substituting one European for another to mark the day. We have plenty of celebrations of people of European descent but none that celebrate the cultures that occupied North and South America for 14,000 years.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,763
    I've always been baffled that we even still call them Indians, whether you put the word "American" in front of it or not. I loved Louis CK's bit about it:

    "...and we still call them that! we've known for hundreds of years that they aren't indians, but we still call them indians"

    "this is india right?"
    "no, totally, totally other place"
    "this isn't india?"
    "nope"
    "nah, you're indians!"
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I've always been baffled that we even still call them Indians, whether you put the word "American" in front of it or not. I loved Louis CK's bit about it:

    "...and we still call them that! we've known for hundreds of years that they aren't indians, but we still call them indians"

    "this is india right?"
    "no, totally, totally other place"
    "this isn't india?"
    "nope"
    "nah, you're indians!"

    Good point, Hugh, and one I've wondered about myself. I used the term "Native American" for a long time but then read something (I think it was by Spokane native Sherman Alexie) about how many "Indians" rejected the term "Native American" because it was the name given them by whites as a politically correct term not of native people's making. Besides Sherman Alexie, a number of other indigenous writers often use the term "Indian"- Vine Deloria, Paul Chaat Smith, Jim Northrup, James Welch, writer/activist Dennis Banks and others.

    Here's a brief article (interestingly enough from a major Native American news source that calls itself "Indian Country Today Media Network") about the various terms:

    http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/05/21/blackhorse-do-you-prefer-native-american-or-american-indian-6-prominent-voices-respond
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,763
    brianlux said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I've always been baffled that we even still call them Indians, whether you put the word "American" in front of it or not. I loved Louis CK's bit about it:

    "...and we still call them that! we've known for hundreds of years that they aren't indians, but we still call them indians"

    "this is india right?"
    "no, totally, totally other place"
    "this isn't india?"
    "nope"
    "nah, you're indians!"

    Good point, Hugh, and one I've wondered about myself. I used the term "Native American" for a long time but then read something (I think it was by Spokane native Sherman Alexie) about how many "Indians" rejected the term "Native American" because it was the name given them by whites as a politically correct term not of native people's making. Besides Sherman Alexie, a number of other indigenous writers often use the term "Indian"- Vine Deloria, Paul Chaat Smith, Jim Northrup, James Welch, writer/activist Dennis Banks and others.

    Here's a brief article (interestingly enough from a major Native American news source that calls itself "Indian Country Today Media Network") about the various terms:

    http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/05/21/blackhorse-do-you-prefer-native-american-or-american-indian-6-prominent-voices-respond
    yes, there are a number of aboriginal groups in my neck of the woods that still use the term Indian, and I can't figure out why.

    I can't see what's wrong with "native", no matter who coined it. I always understood it, in this context, as "first here". But I guess the actual definitoin is different. First Nations is a good one. or aboriginals. I'll admit I'm not sure if any of those terms is all ecompassing or they even should be.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    edited October 2016
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    brianlux said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I've always been baffled that we even still call them Indians, whether you put the word "American" in front of it or not. I loved Louis CK's bit about it:

    "...and we still call them that! we've known for hundreds of years that they aren't indians, but we still call them indians"

    "this is india right?"
    "no, totally, totally other place"
    "this isn't india?"
    "nope"
    "nah, you're indians!"

    Good point, Hugh, and one I've wondered about myself. I used the term "Native American" for a long time but then read something (I think it was by Spokane native Sherman Alexie) about how many "Indians" rejected the term "Native American" because it was the name given them by whites as a politically correct term not of native people's making. Besides Sherman Alexie, a number of other indigenous writers often use the term "Indian"- Vine Deloria, Paul Chaat Smith, Jim Northrup, James Welch, writer/activist Dennis Banks and others.

    Here's a brief article (interestingly enough from a major Native American news source that calls itself "Indian Country Today Media Network") about the various terms:

    http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/05/21/blackhorse-do-you-prefer-native-american-or-american-indian-6-prominent-voices-respond
    yes, there are a number of aboriginal groups in my neck of the woods that still use the term Indian, and I can't figure out why.

    I can't see what's wrong with "native", no matter who coined it. I always understood it, in this context, as "first here". But I guess the actual definitoin is different. First Nations is a good one. or aboriginals. I'll admit I'm not sure if any of those terms is all ecompassing or they even should be.
    I agree, I like the term "native". It seems appropriate. "First Nations" seems good as well although I believe it is mainly used in Canada. In any case, I also understand the people basically saying, "We will name ourselves, even if it is 'Indian'. You don't get to do that for us."
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited October 2016
    Bernie Sanders Just Asked President Obama to Halt the Dakota Access Pipeline

    http://m.motherjones.com/environment/2016/10/bernie-sanders-dakota-access-pipeline
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    rgambs said:

    I would love to see this changed nationally, let's stop celebrating a man who accidentally discovered America, for the 3rd time, and thought he was in India, then decided, fug it, let's start a genocide!

    Thanksgiving needs some retooling too.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    It's awful in Canada how we deal with our first people's...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
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    Ontario court to consider application to stop Cleveland from wearing ‘offensive’ baseball jerseys in Toronto

    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/ontario-court-to-consider-application-to-stop-cleveland-from-wearing-offensive-baseball-jerseys-in-toronto
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,763
    lukin2006 said:

    It's awful in Canada how we deal with our first people's...

    gord downie is using his dying days to try to change that.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    lukin2006 said:

    It's awful in Canada how we deal with our first people's...

    gord downie is using his dying days to try to change that.
    Yes he is, and I truly hope he's successful ...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • green_girl
    green_girl Posts: 931
    edited October 2016
    Degeneratefk said:

    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day


    Sums it up pretty well.

    yeah...never learned all this in school. i want to vomit, but thanks so much for sharing.
    and it is my understanding that they are identified by nation (aka tribe), preferably. my known relatives assimilated into the city and didn't live on a reservation (except for an aunt). i wonder why so many people still remain on the reservation. why not assimilate and populate?
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Massive standoff happening NOW in ND.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    Free said:

    Massive standoff happening NOW in ND.

    Ft. Laramie Treaty broken again. Way to keep them damn pesky Indians in line boys.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-north-dakota-pipeline-protesters-20161027-story.html

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    LIVE
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=259494577780707&id=100011604996574
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    Free said:

    LIVE
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=259494577780707&id=100011604996574

    Guns and tanks against cameras, prayers and the truth. Way to go fellas.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    LIVE
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=259494577780707&id=100011604996574

    Guns and tanks against cameras, prayers and the truth. Way to go fellas.
    No establishment media ( of course), no attention to this other than individual people and Stein.
  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,080
    Bump to get open threads on page 1
  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    edited October 2016
    cp3iverson said:

    Native Americans have had it the worst out of any race in North America. I like Chris Rock's quote "Blacks screaming racism for everything. Whites screaming reverse racism. Indians arent saying shit cuz theyre all dead! if u think otherwise ask yourself this. When have u ever met two indians? I've never met two indians in my life! I've never walked into red lobster and seen an american indian family chillin out" :lol:

    Bingo!

    I hope more people jump on board with whats going on in ND and supports the Natives
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