Vermont, Denver and Phoenix celebrate Native Americans, not genocide.

brianlux

Right on, Vermont, Denver and Phoenix and other places that have dumped Columbus day in favor of celebrating American Indians!

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/09/us/columbus-day-indigenous-peoples-day/

CM189191

brianlux said:

Right on, Vermont, Denver and Phoenix and other places that have dumped Columbus day in favor of celebrating American Indians!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/09/us/columbus-day-indigenous-peoples-day/

full list here - did not realize Minneapolis was first to do so

Bentleyspop

This kind of thing must make some people on here crazy.
Can't wait for the responses.

josevolution

Fuck Columbus he was a pillager , robbed and mudered native indigenous people !!

brianlux

CM189191 said:

brianlux said:

Right on, Vermont, Denver and Phoenix and other places that have dumped Columbus day in favor of celebrating American Indians!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/09/us/columbus-day-indigenous-peoples-day/

full list here - did not realize Minneapolis was first to do so

Cool! Lots of places- thanks!

Jason P

It's evolution, baby

OffSheGoes35

OffSheGoes35

rgambs

I would love to see this changed nationally, let's stop celebrating a man who accidentally discovered America, for the 3rd time, and thought he was in India, then decided, fug it, let's start a genocide!

brianlux

OffSheGoes35 said:

An excellent quote. One of the things Paul Chaat Smith, Comanche author and associate curator at the National Museum of the American Indian, emphasized in his marvelous book, Everything You Know About Indians is Wrong, is the need to not just recognize the heroes and history of American Indians but also to understand the obvious- that these are real people living in the real world today. Many non-natives tend to either ignore the existence of Native Americans or romanticize them as merely relics of history.

brianlux

rgambs said:

I would love to see this changed nationally, let's stop celebrating a man who accidentally discovered America, for the 3rd time, and thought he was in India, then decided, fug it, let's start a genocide!

Great idea Mr. Gambs!

F Me In The Brain

Made me think of this Sopranos episode when I read an article referencing VT's decision the other day.
They can do whatever they want with the holiday, speaking as an Italian American, it is one of the 'fake' holidays that most people work on anyway. Just do away with it altogether.
Funny episode overall.

https://youtu.be/cbbMIg-Aw8E

Jason P

They should rename it White Privilege Day / Columbus Day so far right and left can share a TAB Cola together before challenging each other to a dual at dawn.

Free

Jason P said:

They should rename it White Privilege Day / Columbus Day so far right and left can share a TAB Cola together before challenging each other to a dual at dawn.

White Priviledge Day. Perfect!

cp3iverson

Native Americans have had it the worst out of any race in North America. I like Chris Rock's quote "Blacks screaming racism for everything. Whites screaming reverse racism. Indians arent saying shit cuz theyre all dead! if u think otherwise ask yourself this. When have u ever met two indians? I've never met two indians in my life! I've never walked into red lobster and seen an american indian family chillin out"

brianlux

OffSheGoes35

brianlux

cp3iverson said:

Native Americans have had it the worst out of any race in North America. I like Chris Rock's quote "Blacks screaming racism for everything. Whites screaming reverse racism. Indians arent saying shit cuz theyre all dead! if u think otherwise ask yourself this. When have u ever met two indians? I've never met two indians in my life! I've never walked into red lobster and seen an american indian family chillin out"

I'm fortunate to have met several Native Americans but a lot of that may have to do with having been born in and lived in California most of my life as well as a number of years in Washington State. In fact, I have a nephew who is (maybe- not sure of the percentage) half Native American. But then if you met him, you might not know it. Not only was there a terrible genocide of Native Americans but there was also a lot of thinning of native blood, often due to rape (but not the case with my relative). And it's worth remembering that many American Indians still live on reservations- places that many of us would never consider moving to due to the poverty of both the soil and the people living there. Native people are more often seen in places like the Dakotas or parts of Arizona, etc.

brianlux

OffSheGoes35 said:

Chief Joseph was an amazing man and what his people went through will rip your heart out. The story is told very well in Kent Nerburn's excellent book, Chief Joseph & the Flight of the Nez Perce.

BS44325

I will celebrate the Indians if they win tonight.

brianlux

Degeneratefk

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day


Sums it up pretty well.

brianlux

Degeneratefk said:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day


Sums it up pretty well.

Pretty cool learning about Bartolomé.

And don't get me wrong, DF, that article is great and learning about Bartolomé is fine but I personally am more inclined to go with the idea of celebrating the American Indians today rather than substituting one European for another to mark the day. We have plenty of celebrations of people of European descent but none that celebrate the cultures that occupied North and South America for 14,000 years.

HughFreakingDillon

I've always been baffled that we even still call them Indians, whether you put the word "American" in front of it or not. I loved Louis CK's bit about it:

"...and we still call them that! we've known for hundreds of years that they aren't indians, but we still call them indians"

"this is india right?"
"no, totally, totally other place"
"this isn't india?"
"nope"
"nah, you're indians!"

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

I've always been baffled that we even still call them Indians, whether you put the word "American" in front of it or not. I loved Louis CK's bit about it:

"...and we still call them that! we've known for hundreds of years that they aren't indians, but we still call them indians"

"this is india right?"
"no, totally, totally other place"
"this isn't india?"
"nope"
"nah, you're indians!"

Good point, Hugh, and one I've wondered about myself. I used the term "Native American" for a long time but then read something (I think it was by Spokane native Sherman Alexie) about how many "Indians" rejected the term "Native American" because it was the name given them by whites as a politically correct term not of native people's making. Besides Sherman Alexie, a number of other indigenous writers often use the term "Indian"- Vine Deloria, Paul Chaat Smith, Jim Northrup, James Welch, writer/activist Dennis Banks and others.

Here's a brief article (interestingly enough from a major Native American news source that calls itself "Indian Country Today Media Network") about the various terms:

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/05/21/blackhorse-do-you-prefer-native-american-or-american-indian-6-prominent-voices-respond

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I've always been baffled that we even still call them Indians, whether you put the word "American" in front of it or not. I loved Louis CK's bit about it:

"...and we still call them that! we've known for hundreds of years that they aren't indians, but we still call them indians"

"this is india right?"
"no, totally, totally other place"
"this isn't india?"
"nope"
"nah, you're indians!"

Good point, Hugh, and one I've wondered about myself. I used the term "Native American" for a long time but then read something (I think it was by Spokane native Sherman Alexie) about how many "Indians" rejected the term "Native American" because it was the name given them by whites as a politically correct term not of native people's making. Besides Sherman Alexie, a number of other indigenous writers often use the term "Indian"- Vine Deloria, Paul Chaat Smith, Jim Northrup, James Welch, writer/activist Dennis Banks and others.

Here's a brief article (interestingly enough from a major Native American news source that calls itself "Indian Country Today Media Network") about the various terms:

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/05/21/blackhorse-do-you-prefer-native-american-or-american-indian-6-prominent-voices-respond

yes, there are a number of aboriginal groups in my neck of the woods that still use the term Indian, and I can't figure out why.

I can't see what's wrong with "native", no matter who coined it. I always understood it, in this context, as "first here". But I guess the actual definitoin is different. First Nations is a good one. or aboriginals. I'll admit I'm not sure if any of those terms is all ecompassing or they even should be.

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I've always been baffled that we even still call them Indians, whether you put the word "American" in front of it or not. I loved Louis CK's bit about it:

"...and we still call them that! we've known for hundreds of years that they aren't indians, but we still call them indians"

"this is india right?"
"no, totally, totally other place"
"this isn't india?"
"nope"
"nah, you're indians!"

Good point, Hugh, and one I've wondered about myself. I used the term "Native American" for a long time but then read something (I think it was by Spokane native Sherman Alexie) about how many "Indians" rejected the term "Native American" because it was the name given them by whites as a politically correct term not of native people's making. Besides Sherman Alexie, a number of other indigenous writers often use the term "Indian"- Vine Deloria, Paul Chaat Smith, Jim Northrup, James Welch, writer/activist Dennis Banks and others.

Here's a brief article (interestingly enough from a major Native American news source that calls itself "Indian Country Today Media Network") about the various terms:

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/05/21/blackhorse-do-you-prefer-native-american-or-american-indian-6-prominent-voices-respond

yes, there are a number of aboriginal groups in my neck of the woods that still use the term Indian, and I can't figure out why.

I can't see what's wrong with "native", no matter who coined it. I always understood it, in this context, as "first here". But I guess the actual definitoin is different. First Nations is a good one. or aboriginals. I'll admit I'm not sure if any of those terms is all ecompassing or they even should be.

I agree, I like the term "native". It seems appropriate. "First Nations" seems good as well although I believe it is mainly used in Canada. In any case, I also understand the people basically saying, "We will name ourselves, even if it is 'Indian'. You don't get to do that for us."

Free

Bernie Sanders Just Asked President Obama to Halt the Dakota Access Pipeline

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PJ_Soul

rgambs said:

I would love to see this changed nationally, let's stop celebrating a man who accidentally discovered America, for the 3rd time, and thought he was in India, then decided, fug it, let's start a genocide!

Thanksgiving needs some retooling too.

lukin2006

It's awful in Canada how we deal with our first people's...

lukin2006

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