Im sick of hearing about the election on the news, why cant the election just go on for like a month, vote and be done with it ? instead we have to know whos sick, who made a sexist remark, oh and now they are questionable failures, sick of seeing the news captions.... im so glad i dont vote and only support Gods kingdom of ruler ship which will happen as Jesus said my kingdom is no part of this world and if it were he would not have been delivered up (John 18;36) But eventually his kingdom with be with the new world and will crush all other kingdoms and it will be a war with the only winner being God and Jesus because the power is from them that exists anywhere in the universe.. (Daniel 2;44,45) (2 Corinthians 4;7)Roman 1;18-(20)-23
So in Jehovah Witness world, who makes the rules and who enforces them?
The system is beyond repair, only a complete and total destruction will bring about change. Thankfully these two give change the best opportunity for that to happen.
Unless somehow Ron Paul got 50% of the vote in 2012. Then you'd declare some sort of revolution. Point being, we can vote in whomever we want, and the system exists to do so.
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Had Ron Paul received 50% of the vote in 2012 we wouldn't be in this shit situation that we are.
But like heroin too many people can't control their own lives and are hooked on government.
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Had Ron Paul received 50% of the vote in 2012 we wouldn't be in this shit situation that we are.
But like heroin too many people can't control their own lives and are hooked on government.
A tasty metaphor, unsung, but you could also look at it like "too many people can't live their lives in a sensible manner so government is necessary to put some boundaries on their reckless behavior."
Your "no government" idealism is probably the better choice except (at least in this country) left to their own devices, the general populous will just make clusterfuck out over everything and they need government to keep themselves from spinning into chaos.
And believe me, I'm all for idealism.
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Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
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Does an individual own themselves or not?
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Idealism is nice and all, but is trumped by realism. Or, to me at least, should be...and is, for me.
Just because boundaries are put in place (we're talking laws?), it doesn't mean they'll be adhered to. They don't necessarily curb the behaviors that bring about those guidelines in the first place.
There's a great passage from Ishmael that illustrates this far better than I.
Are you advocating the assault? Or does that person own themselves?
The philosophical debate can be interesting, but I've said it in here before, but when Ron Paul and the others start making decisions about laws, they end up wanting it as much as anyone else, just individualized to meet their needs and values.
Are you advocating the assault? Or does that person own themselves?
I don't understand the question.
What I meant is that a person is not only as free as they wish to be, they are bound by the amount of freedom that outside forces allow them to have. A person has ownership of themselves but that ownership can be usurped by individuals, corporations/groups, and governments.
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This has nothing to do with Ron Paul.
Does a person have the authority to decide how their own life is run or not?
Had Ron Paul received 50% of the vote in 2012 we wouldn't be in this shit situation that we are.
But like heroin too many people can't control their own lives and are hooked on government.
But you said the system is broken. Sounds like if you can get the person you want in there, that the system would function?
It wouldn't. He could only do so much, but there are many things he could have done that would have made the world a better place. Bringing all of our troops home was a start. Ending the drug war another.
Had Ron Paul received 50% of the vote in 2012 we wouldn't be in this shit situation that we are.
But like heroin too many people can't control their own lives and are hooked on government.
But you said the system is broken. Sounds like if you can get the person you want in there, that the system would function?
It wouldn't. He could only do so much, but there are many things he could have done that would have made the world a better place. Bringing all of our troops home was a start. Ending the drug war another.
How would it still be broken in the Ron Paul is prez situation?
Im sick of hearing about the election on the news, why cant the election just go on for like a month, vote and be done with it ? instead we have to know whos sick, who made a sexist remark, oh and now they are questionable failures, sick of seeing the news captions.... im so glad i dont vote and only support Gods kingdom of ruler ship which will happen as Jesus said my kingdom is no part of this world and if it were he would not have been delivered up (John 18;36) But eventually his kingdom with be with the new world and will crush all other kingdoms and it will be a war with the only winner being God and Jesus because the power is from them that exists anywhere in the universe.. (Daniel 2;44,45) (2 Corinthians 4;7)Roman 1;18-(20)-23
So in Jehovah Witness world, who makes the rules and who enforces them?
JWPearl, don't you live in Australia? Just wondering how you don't vote, since people are legally obligated to in Australia because of compulsory voting laws. Do you have some kind of religious exemption? Do you know what else exempts people from voting there? Curious, just because I think I support compulsory voting. I understand the pitfalls too, but at the end of the day, the reasons to do it beat out the reasons not to IMO.
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Had Ron Paul received 50% of the vote in 2012 we wouldn't be in this shit situation that we are.
But like heroin too many people can't control their own lives and are hooked on government.
But you said the system is broken. Sounds like if you can get the person you want in there, that the system would function?
It wouldn't. He could only do so much, but there are many things he could have done that would have made the world a better place. Bringing all of our troops home was a start. Ending the drug war another.
How would it still be broken in the Ron Paul is prez situation?
Because a corrupt Congress exists. A Constitutional President can't legislate. He can however decide where assets are deployed.
I now hate both parties about equally. And I have started disliking more of my co-workers and casual friends due to Facebook and lunchroom conversations.
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I now hate both parties about equally. And I have started disliking more of my co-workers and casual friends due to Facebook and lunchroom conversations.
Hang out with us here, Cincy. We never talk about any of that crap.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
this election cycle showed me the worst of people on both sides not just in the political process but as the average person...people are fed up with the system but aren't taking opposing views with an open mind, just anger
we need a legitimate 3rd party
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this election cycle showed me the worst of people on both sides not just in the political process but as the average person...people are fed up with the system but aren't taking opposing views with an open mind, just anger
we need a legitimate 3rd party
Yes!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
this election cycle showed me the worst of people on both sides not just in the political process but as the average person...people are fed up with the system but aren't taking opposing views with an open mind, just anger
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But like heroin too many people can't control their own lives and are hooked on government.
Your "no government" idealism is probably the better choice except (at least in this country) left to their own devices, the general populous will just make clusterfuck out over everything and they need government to keep themselves from spinning into chaos.
And believe me, I'm all for idealism.
Just because boundaries are put in place (we're talking laws?), it doesn't mean they'll be adhered to. They don't necessarily curb the behaviors that bring about those guidelines in the first place.
There's a great passage from Ishmael that illustrates this far better than I.
What I meant is that a person is not only as free as they wish to be, they are bound by the amount of freedom that outside forces allow them to have.
A person has ownership of themselves but that ownership can be usurped by individuals, corporations/groups, and governments.
Does a person have the authority to decide how their own life is run or not?
I now hate both parties about equally. And I have started disliking more of my co-workers and casual friends due to Facebook and lunchroom conversations.
we need a legitimate 3rd party