Syria and the US's Motive

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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    obama didn't move against syria because he had evidence that the supposed chemical attack was not done by assad ... why the media continues to peddle this lie is why we should not trust these sources ...

    clinton is a neo-liberal war hawk ... it's not wonder she supports trump on this ...
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:
    How is this article "proof" of anything? It's an attempt at persuasive writing, with a clear opinion. There's no evidence that it's meticulously researched and sourced. It's no different than reading any other article at any other site. The only difference is that you post ones with pro-Russia positions. I don't know how you can say you discovered the "truth" by reading coutnerpunch, global research, sputnik or RT.
    why do you say all the sites I post from are russian? ... listen ... russia's position in syria is directly related to why the US and their posse want regime change in syria ... so, they can push a pipeline from qatar into europe ... right now russia has a large share of that market and they don't want to lose it ... so, I understand their motive ... but it doesn't make their information less reliable than the horrible work of journalism put forth by the western media ... i mean someone from like nbc news told people to follow bana ... the fake twitter account of some 7 year old syrian girl they are exploiting ... he's deleted that tweet since but still - if you are getting your news about syria from

    a: a fake twitter account
    b: the white helmets
    c: human rights watch

    then you should know you are getting played plain and simple ... there are a gazillion people outing these fraudsters online ... posting fake videos and pictures ... essentially lying ...

    seymour hersch, a well respected AMERICAN journalist, is the one that broke the story on the fact syria didn't use chemical weapons in ghouta ... so, he's not russian ... but the onlyl people reporting this are not western media ... so, if the only way you will accept evidence is if it comes from anderson coooper - it's just not gonna happen ...

    again tho - to you and everyone reading ... think critically about what is going on there ... I really don't see how anyone can think that the syrian gov't would at this stage gas their own people ... especially considering the very likely outcome it has brought forth ...
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:
    How is this article "proof" of anything? It's an attempt at persuasive writing, with a clear opinion. There's no evidence that it's meticulously researched and sourced. It's no different than reading any other article at any other site. The only difference is that you post ones with pro-Russia positions. I don't know how you can say you discovered the "truth" by reading coutnerpunch, global research, sputnik or RT.
    why do you say all the sites I post from are russian? ... listen ... russia's position in syria is directly related to why the US and their posse want regime change in syria ... so, they can push a pipeline from qatar into europe ... right now russia has a large share of that market and they don't want to lose it ... so, I understand their motive ... but it doesn't make their information less reliable than the horrible work of journalism put forth by the western media ... i mean someone from like nbc news told people to follow bana ... the fake twitter account of some 7 year old syrian girl they are exploiting ... he's deleted that tweet since but still - if you are getting your news about syria from

    a: a fake twitter account
    b: the white helmets
    c: human rights watch

    then you should know you are getting played plain and simple ... there are a gazillion people outing these fraudsters online ... posting fake videos and pictures ... essentially lying ...

    seymour hersch, a well respected AMERICAN journalist, is the one that broke the story on the fact syria didn't use chemical weapons in ghouta ... so, he's not russian ... but the onlyl people reporting this are not western media ... so, if the only way you will accept evidence is if it comes from anderson coooper - it's just not gonna happen ...

    again tho - to you and everyone reading ... think critically about what is going on there ... I really don't see how anyone can think that the syrian gov't would at this stage gas their own people ... especially considering the very likely outcome it has brought forth ...
    "...there are a gazillion people...."
    ...goes on to cite 2015 opinion piece from obscure 2nd rate conspiracy site...
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Looks like the dems have no tolerance for the Polaris position

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/09/politics/democratic-leaders-gabbard-syria/index.html

    Good for them.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
    Wag, wag, wag the dog. What did Putin get? 59 less cruise missiles in the US inventory.
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  • DegeneratefkDegeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    I have yet to find or see any proof that it was Assad that ordered the chemical attack. Does anyone have any? Furthermore, Trump launching a strike of that caliber without congressional approval is illegal. The president is allowed discretion to carry out acts of war without congressional approval ONLY when national security or the nation itself is under immanent attack. Syria clearly did not represent an immanent danger to the US. Impeachment hearings should start soon.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    mrussel1 said:

    unsung said:

    If we are supposed to attack Syria for this attack on their own people who was supposed to attack the US for the attack on Waco?

    The davidians were stock piling weapons and shot first. Koresh wanted to go.

    I forgot that it gave govt the right to murder women and children. Sorry.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    unsung said:

    mrussel1 said:

    unsung said:

    If we are supposed to attack Syria for this attack on their own people who was supposed to attack the US for the attack on Waco?

    The davidians were stock piling weapons and shot first. Koresh wanted to go.

    I forgot that it gave govt the right to murder women and children. Sorry.
    I think you are woefully misinformed yet again. There was a legal warrant to search the property. The Davidians started shooting. The government gave many opportunities (some taken) to release anyone who wanted to go. At the end of the day.. who set the fire? Not the ATF. It was Koresh. Who is responsible for the deaths? Koresh. Who wanted to die a martyr?? Koresh.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
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  • Hates rules and governance.

    Then robs a private businessman.

    Doesn't realize if it wasn't for f**ks like him... we wouldn't need so many rules and governance.

    Should of just stuck to fixing his truck.
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  • I have yet to find or see any proof that it was Assad that ordered the chemical attack. Does anyone have any? Furthermore, Trump launching a strike of that caliber without congressional approval is illegal. The president is allowed discretion to carry out acts of war without congressional approval ONLY when national security or the nation itself is under immanent attack. Syria clearly did not represent an immanent danger to the US. Impeachment hearings should start soon.

    not when everyone seems to be on board with the strike.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675

    Hates rules and governance.

    Then robs a private businessman.

    Doesn't realize if it wasn't for f**ks like him... we wouldn't need so many rules and governance.

    Should of just stuck to fixing his truck.
    Timothy McVeigh?
  • rssesqrssesq Posts: 3,299
    richard hass does not have an agenda. head of counsel on foreign relations.

    "illuminati for my mind soul and my body"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    rssesq said:

    richard hass does not have an agenda. head of counsel on foreign relations.

    "illuminati for my mind soul and my body"

    Yeah.. I agree with you here. I don't trust anyone that talks to anyone from another country. In fact, I think the entire Senate Foreign Relations Committee should be disbanded, and the members tried for treason. The logic is unassailable.
  • mrussel1 said:

    Hates rules and governance.

    Then robs a private businessman.

    Doesn't realize if it wasn't for f**ks like him... we wouldn't need so many rules and governance.

    Should of just stuck to fixing his truck.
    Timothy McVeigh?
    Morons that think they're smart. It's the worst type of moron.

    I prefer the simple moron: just smiling away no matter what... wouldn't hurt a fly... just need to be loved.
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  • rssesqrssesq Posts: 3,299
    mrussel1 said:

    rssesq said:

    richard hass does not have an agenda. head of counsel on foreign relations.

    "illuminati for my mind soul and my body"

    Yeah.. I agree with you here. I don't trust anyone that talks to anyone from another country. In fact, I think the entire Senate Foreign Relations Committee should be disbanded, and the members tried for treason. The logic is unassailable.
    I bet you trust Rattner too. lmao
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilweinberg/2010/11/19/rangel-rattner-deserve-to-share-a-prison-cell/#1c0dec3b744d
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/business/14rattner.html
    http://fortune.com/2010/12/30/ex-car-czar-steve-rattner-settles-pay-to-play-scandal/
    http://www.browndailyherald.com/2010/07/26/rattner-74-facing-ban-from-securities-industry/

    Do you have to barely avoid jail and pay a 10 million dollar fine to get a spot on Morning Jeo?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    rssesq said:

    mrussel1 said:

    rssesq said:

    richard hass does not have an agenda. head of counsel on foreign relations.

    "illuminati for my mind soul and my body"

    Yeah.. I agree with you here. I don't trust anyone that talks to anyone from another country. In fact, I think the entire Senate Foreign Relations Committee should be disbanded, and the members tried for treason. The logic is unassailable.
    I bet you trust Rattner too. lmao
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilweinberg/2010/11/19/rangel-rattner-deserve-to-share-a-prison-cell/#1c0dec3b744d
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/business/14rattner.html
    http://fortune.com/2010/12/30/ex-car-czar-steve-rattner-settles-pay-to-play-scandal/
    http://www.browndailyherald.com/2010/07/26/rattner-74-facing-ban-from-securities-industry/

    Do you have to barely avoid jail and pay a 10 million dollar fine to get a spot on Morning Jeo?
    Nice straw man. Wow.. way to post a bunch of "Rattner" links. That is really powerful stuff. Remind me again who the fuck Rattner is?

    Here's the difference between you and me (along with the likely thousands of differences). I'll judge people on their individual actions. You judge people based on their race, creed, ethnicity or if they have the word "foreign" in their job description.

    For an alleged lawyer, you are really bad at constructing an argument. It might be because the argument you'd like to use would get you banned from here, so you are handicapped.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,763
    mrussel1 said:

    rssesq said:

    mrussel1 said:

    rssesq said:

    richard hass does not have an agenda. head of counsel on foreign relations.

    "illuminati for my mind soul and my body"

    Yeah.. I agree with you here. I don't trust anyone that talks to anyone from another country. In fact, I think the entire Senate Foreign Relations Committee should be disbanded, and the members tried for treason. The logic is unassailable.
    I bet you trust Rattner too. lmao
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilweinberg/2010/11/19/rangel-rattner-deserve-to-share-a-prison-cell/#1c0dec3b744d
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/business/14rattner.html
    http://fortune.com/2010/12/30/ex-car-czar-steve-rattner-settles-pay-to-play-scandal/
    http://www.browndailyherald.com/2010/07/26/rattner-74-facing-ban-from-securities-industry/

    Do you have to barely avoid jail and pay a 10 million dollar fine to get a spot on Morning Jeo?
    Nice straw man. Wow.. way to post a bunch of "Rattner" links. That is really powerful stuff. Remind me again who the fuck Rattner is?

    Here's the difference between you and me (along with the likely thousands of differences). I'll judge people on their individual actions. You judge people based on their race, creed, ethnicity or if they have the word "foreign" in their job description.

    For an alleged lawyer, you are really bad at constructing an argument. It might be because the argument you'd like to use would get you banned from here, so you are handicapped.

    Those articles are all from 2010. Steve Rattner is another wealthy Jewish New York businessman associated with the Democratic Party. Hence the hate and vilification from people such as rr. Whose usual argument as you mentioned would probably get him banned. But at the moment is on probation.
  • DegeneratefkDegeneratefk Posts: 3,123

    I have yet to find or see any proof that it was Assad that ordered the chemical attack. Does anyone have any? Furthermore, Trump launching a strike of that caliber without congressional approval is illegal. The president is allowed discretion to carry out acts of war without congressional approval ONLY when national security or the nation itself is under immanent attack. Syria clearly did not represent an immanent danger to the US. Impeachment hearings should start soon.

    not when everyone seems to be on board with the strike.
    Who's everyone?
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  • I have yet to find or see any proof that it was Assad that ordered the chemical attack. Does anyone have any? Furthermore, Trump launching a strike of that caliber without congressional approval is illegal. The president is allowed discretion to carry out acts of war without congressional approval ONLY when national security or the nation itself is under immanent attack. Syria clearly did not represent an immanent danger to the US. Impeachment hearings should start soon.

    not when everyone seems to be on board with the strike.
    Who's everyone?
    from what I've read, he has received a lot of bi-partisan support and also from most allied nations.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020

    I have yet to find or see any proof that it was Assad that ordered the chemical attack. Does anyone have any? Furthermore, Trump launching a strike of that caliber without congressional approval is illegal. The president is allowed discretion to carry out acts of war without congressional approval ONLY when national security or the nation itself is under immanent attack. Syria clearly did not represent an immanent danger to the US. Impeachment hearings should start soon.

    not when everyone seems to be on board with the strike.
    Who's everyone?
    from what I've read, he has received a lot of bi-partisan support and also from most allied nations.
    Trump ordering the launching of 59 cruise missiles on a basically empty airbase, that was up and running within 36 hours, was the equivalent of Reagan parking the USS New Jersey off the coast of Lebanon and lobbing some shells or stationing marines at the airport. And we all know how that ended.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    edited April 2017
    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    CM189191 said:


    Someone please explain to me why the only military in the war room is the person watching the door?

    Funny indeed but that isn't the "war room" as I assume you are aware. That is Mar-a-lago during/after the China meeting. The military people are on video conference from the Pentagon of course. But please...continue.
    So it's been confirmed that this is indeed a meeting about the Syria mission in the so-called Mar-a-lago situation room. I am curious as to what your comment means here. Were you inventing a fact, trying to suggest this isn't the full gang of idiots behind an act of war? Or simply wanted point out that this isn't in the WH war room?
    It's pretty clear what I meant and everything I posted above is 100% correct. No facts invented.
    No, it's not pretty clear. You said it's a photo during/after the China meeting. It is absolute fact now that it is NOT during a China meeting. It is in fact the National Security meeting when they were discussing the attack on Syria. That was confirmed by Spicer. So what exactly is 100% correct about your 100% inaccurate post? I assume you are trying to say it is 100% accurate because you said "during/after" the China meeting, and this Syria meeting did happen to be held later on the same day of the China meeting? Hmm. I don't think that quite works man. ;) And the reason I'm harping on it isn't to just try and prove you wrong, btw. It's because I think it is actually important to acknowledge/point out who exactly is running things when it comes to military actions.... and the truth of that point is disturbing at best.... something that you seem to have been specifically trying to mislead people about with your post.

    See for yourself: http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/07/politics/white-house-photo-syria-briefing/
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  • it is iraq all over again. stay awake and don't fall for it.
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  • here is my theory.

    trump knows he is under investigation. i think they will find enough evidence to recommend impeachment and trial. this will take some time. trump knows if it gets to impeachment, with things as they are now, he is fucked. he is going to get us into a war and use the old republican standby of "you never change presidents in a time of war" thing. this will keep just enough republicans from voting to convict him.

    this move is a distraction, nothing more.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559

    I have yet to find or see any proof that it was Assad that ordered the chemical attack. Does anyone have any? Furthermore, Trump launching a strike of that caliber without congressional approval is illegal. The president is allowed discretion to carry out acts of war without congressional approval ONLY when national security or the nation itself is under immanent attack. Syria clearly did not represent an immanent danger to the US. Impeachment hearings should start soon.

    exactly ... there is none ... and I guarantee you no one has any ... it was the same in 2013 ... the same people went into iraq with no proof either ...

    furthermore ... do you peeps who believe the msm line on syria actually know who the syrian gov't is fighting? ... it's Al Qaeda and ISIS ... there is no civil war there ... there is no uprising from the people ... russia/syria are fighting extremists ... the supposed chemical attack in idlib is an al qaeda strong hold ...

    soo ... by supporting action against syria now - you are basically supporting terrorists ...
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559

    I have yet to find or see any proof that it was Assad that ordered the chemical attack. Does anyone have any? Furthermore, Trump launching a strike of that caliber without congressional approval is illegal. The president is allowed discretion to carry out acts of war without congressional approval ONLY when national security or the nation itself is under immanent attack. Syria clearly did not represent an immanent danger to the US. Impeachment hearings should start soon.

    not when everyone seems to be on board with the strike.
    Who's everyone?
    from what I've read, he has received a lot of bi-partisan support and also from most allied nations.
    Trump ordering the launching of 59 cruise missiles on a basically empty airbase, that was up and running within 36 hours, was the equivalent of Reagan parking the USS New Jersey off the coast of Lebanon and lobbing some shells or stationing marines at the airport. And we all know how that ended.
    that airbase was used by syria a few weeks ago to defend against israeli air strikes ...
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559

    I have yet to find or see any proof that it was Assad that ordered the chemical attack. Does anyone have any? Furthermore, Trump launching a strike of that caliber without congressional approval is illegal. The president is allowed discretion to carry out acts of war without congressional approval ONLY when national security or the nation itself is under immanent attack. Syria clearly did not represent an immanent danger to the US. Impeachment hearings should start soon.

    not when everyone seems to be on board with the strike.
    Who's everyone?
    from what I've read, he has received a lot of bi-partisan support and also from most allied nations.
    the same allied nations that went into iraq? ... the same ones that continue to lend undying support for israel?
  • polaris_x said:

    I have yet to find or see any proof that it was Assad that ordered the chemical attack. Does anyone have any? Furthermore, Trump launching a strike of that caliber without congressional approval is illegal. The president is allowed discretion to carry out acts of war without congressional approval ONLY when national security or the nation itself is under immanent attack. Syria clearly did not represent an immanent danger to the US. Impeachment hearings should start soon.

    not when everyone seems to be on board with the strike.
    Who's everyone?
    from what I've read, he has received a lot of bi-partisan support and also from most allied nations.
    the same allied nations that went into iraq? ... the same ones that continue to lend undying support for israel?
    did I say I agree with it? it's an observation, and I was very surprised that it got support.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559

    polaris_x said:

    I have yet to find or see any proof that it was Assad that ordered the chemical attack. Does anyone have any? Furthermore, Trump launching a strike of that caliber without congressional approval is illegal. The president is allowed discretion to carry out acts of war without congressional approval ONLY when national security or the nation itself is under immanent attack. Syria clearly did not represent an immanent danger to the US. Impeachment hearings should start soon.

    not when everyone seems to be on board with the strike.
    Who's everyone?
    from what I've read, he has received a lot of bi-partisan support and also from most allied nations.
    the same allied nations that went into iraq? ... the same ones that continue to lend undying support for israel?
    did I say I agree with it? it's an observation, and I was very surprised that it got support.
    i didn't say you did or didn't ... i'm just pointing out that support from those nations doesn't necessarily legitimize it ...
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