Breaking News: Media confirms that Barak Obama is not the founder of ISIS

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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    I thought Cassius founded ISIS
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    The US has destabilized many regions of the world. This is just the first time a bunch of crazy motherfuckers spawned.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    It's O.K. guys, Trump was just being sarcastic.

  • unsung
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    unsung said:

    The destabilization of Syria led to isis, additionally Libya complicated the issue.

    So yeah, the US was behind it. It's called blowback.

    I wouldn't blame just Obama, McCain had that photo op, and Kerry and Clinton were around too.

    Are you presenting this as a fact or as your opinion? Because there is one Iraq war and a one Paul Bremer. But I know, it's Obama's fault. Funny how you claim to blame both sides and hold both sides accountable. Where were you in 2003 and 2006?
    2003 working for Democrat party. 2004 I was a precinct watchman for the Kerry for President campaign.

    2006 voted for Obama for Senate.

    2007 found Ron Paul.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited August 2016
    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
    Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
    I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
    Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
    I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
    There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
    Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
    I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
    There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
    Yeah, but we're talking about network news here. No need to be dramatic. I get the tricks and theories - I have a degree in that in fact. But I think the "mental manipulation" of mass media is somewhat overwrought unless you're talking about those who are easily manipulated and don't tend to think very critically. The rest of us are able to read between the lines and be conscious of media biases.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    PJ_Soul said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
    Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
    I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
    There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
    Yeah, but we're talking about network news here. No need to be dramatic. I get the tricks and theories - I have a degree in that in fact. But I think the "mental manipulation" of mass media is somewhat overwrought unless you're talking about those who are easily manipulated and don't tend to think very critically. The rest of us are able to read between the lines and be conscious of media biases.
    Fair enough! I think the media might be responsible for confirmation bias to some degree, but in terms of actually shaping a viewer's position on a topic they've yet to decide on (or actually changing his or her position), I'll agree with you on that, and I'd say that that influence is likely limited to the uneducated.
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited August 2016
    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
    Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
    I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
    There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
    Yeah, but we're talking about network news here. No need to be dramatic. I get the tricks and theories - I have a degree in that in fact. But I think the "mental manipulation" of mass media is somewhat overwrought unless you're talking about those who are easily manipulated and don't tend to think very critically. The rest of us are able to read between the lines and be conscious of media biases.
    Fair enough! I think the media might be responsible for confirmation bias to some degree, but in terms of actually shaping a viewer's position on a topic they've yet to decide on (or actually changing his or her position), I'll agree with you on that, and I'd say that that influence is likely limited to the uneducated.
    Just look at how polls and media manipulate behavior. Take a person who researches candidates based on their platforms, and doesn't watch mainstream news. Now take a person whose only research is the media which is full of character attacks, mudslinging, and polls created daily to manipulate viewer opinions on not only who's currently leading, but who is going to win overall through blatantly saying over and over and over again the same thing. That kind of coercion, and it is coercion even to the brightest people if they believe the news is telling the truth, affects your behavior. Think of all the dutiful little TV watchers going to vote on voting day and voting for whom the media tells them to. Because that's what it does.

    Now, between person 1 (the research guy/girl) and person 2 (TV guy/girl), who do you think will make the best educated decision on who is most aligned with their values for president?

    It doesn't matter how educated you are, the media influences you if you aren't savvy enough to see through the hype, falsities everywhere, pure distraction, entertainment, drama and most of all, fear.
    Post edited by Free on
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited August 2016
    We get it. But my argument is that the brighter people do indeed understand this and are able to apply critical thinking skills to it, rendering the attempt at coercion (which isn't always intentional btw) largely or completely ineffective. I actually think more people are savvy enough to see through the hype than you seem to think. That isn't to say that a lot people aren't, as I already said.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    Free said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
    Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
    I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
    There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
    Yeah, but we're talking about network news here. No need to be dramatic. I get the tricks and theories - I have a degree in that in fact. But I think the "mental manipulation" of mass media is somewhat overwrought unless you're talking about those who are easily manipulated and don't tend to think very critically. The rest of us are able to read between the lines and be conscious of media biases.
    Fair enough! I think the media might be responsible for confirmation bias to some degree, but in terms of actually shaping a viewer's position on a topic they've yet to decide on (or actually changing his or her position), I'll agree with you on that, and I'd say that that influence is likely limited to the uneducated.
    Just look at how polls and media manipulate behavior. Take a person who researches candidates based on their platforms, and doesn't watch mainstream news. Now take a person whose only research is the media which is full of character attacks, mudslinging, and polls created daily to manipulate viewer opinions on not only who's currently leading, but who is going to win overall through blatantly saying over and over and over again the same thing. That kind of coercion, and it is coercion even to the brightest people if they believe the news is telling the truth, affects your behavior. Think of all the dutiful little TV watchers going to vote on voting day and voting for whom the media tells them to. Because that's what it does.

    Now, between person 1 (the research guy/girl) and person 2 (TV guy/girl), who do you think will make the best educated decision on who is most aligned with their values for president?

    It doesn't matter how educated you are, the media influences you if you aren't savvy enough to see through the hype, falsities everywhere, pure distraction, entertainment, drama and most of all, fear.
    I find it hard or impossible to believe that the "brightest people" would simply buy into the fact that the news behaves truthfully and delivers responses to events which are proportional and unbiased. As for media influence - is your vendetta against undue or inappropriate influence? Because people are being (often) inappropriately influenced from the day they are born: family, friends, politicians, businesses... Why should the media be any different? Maybe looking inwards and recognizing our failure of teaching our children the critical notion of "question everything", is an approach that could lead to better change.
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited August 2016
    benjs said:

    Free said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
    Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
    I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
    There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
    Yeah, but we're talking about network news here. No need to be dramatic. I get the tricks and theories - I have a degree in that in fact. But I think the "mental manipulation" of mass media is somewhat overwrought unless you're talking about those who are easily manipulated and don't tend to think very critically. The rest of us are able to read between the lines and be conscious of media biases.
    Fair enough! I think the media might be responsible for confirmation bias to some degree, but in terms of actually shaping a viewer's position on a topic they've yet to decide on (or actually changing his or her position), I'll agree with you on that, and I'd say that that influence is likely limited to the uneducated.
    Just look at how polls and media manipulate behavior. Take a person who researches candidates based on their platforms, and doesn't watch mainstream news. Now take a person whose only research is the media which is full of character attacks, mudslinging, and polls created daily to manipulate viewer opinions on not only who's currently leading, but who is going to win overall through blatantly saying over and over and over again the same thing. That kind of coercion, and it is coercion even to the brightest people if they believe the news is telling the truth, affects your behavior. Think of all the dutiful little TV watchers going to vote on voting day and voting for whom the media tells them to. Because that's what it does.

    Now, between person 1 (the research guy/girl) and person 2 (TV guy/girl), who do you think will make the best educated decision on who is most aligned with their values for president?

    It doesn't matter how educated you are, the media influences you if you aren't savvy enough to see through the hype, falsities everywhere, pure distraction, entertainment, drama and most of all, fear.
    I find it hard or impossible to believe that the "brightest people" would simply buy into the fact that the news behaves truthfully and delivers responses to events which are proportional and unbiased. As for media influence - is your vendetta against undue or inappropriate influence? Because people are being (often) inappropriately influenced from the day they are born: family, friends, politicians, businesses... Why should the media be any different? Maybe looking inwards and recognizing our failure of teaching our children the critical notion of "question everything", is an approach that could lead to better change.
    The smartest people I know don't even have TVs. However, my Dad, who's one of those people who knows a lot about everything, just a natural, comes from the era of Walter Kronkite, when news was a public service and actually reported factual news. So, it's much harder for him to believe that the news is a joke. But I've found him yelling at the TV about reporting false crap. He's slow to adapt, but is coming around.

    I agree 100% with the bolded part.
    Post edited by Free on
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,765
    Free said:

    benjs said:

    Free said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
    Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
    I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
    There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
    Yeah, but we're talking about network news here. No need to be dramatic. I get the tricks and theories - I have a degree in that in fact. But I think the "mental manipulation" of mass media is somewhat overwrought unless you're talking about those who are easily manipulated and don't tend to think very critically. The rest of us are able to read between the lines and be conscious of media biases.
    Fair enough! I think the media might be responsible for confirmation bias to some degree, but in terms of actually shaping a viewer's position on a topic they've yet to decide on (or actually changing his or her position), I'll agree with you on that, and I'd say that that influence is likely limited to the uneducated.
    Just look at how polls and media manipulate behavior. Take a person who researches candidates based on their platforms, and doesn't watch mainstream news. Now take a person whose only research is the media which is full of character attacks, mudslinging, and polls created daily to manipulate viewer opinions on not only who's currently leading, but who is going to win overall through blatantly saying over and over and over again the same thing. That kind of coercion, and it is coercion even to the brightest people if they believe the news is telling the truth, affects your behavior. Think of all the dutiful little TV watchers going to vote on voting day and voting for whom the media tells them to. Because that's what it does.

    Now, between person 1 (the research guy/girl) and person 2 (TV guy/girl), who do you think will make the best educated decision on who is most aligned with their values for president?

    It doesn't matter how educated you are, the media influences you if you aren't savvy enough to see through the hype, falsities everywhere, pure distraction, entertainment, drama and most of all, fear.
    I find it hard or impossible to believe that the "brightest people" would simply buy into the fact that the news behaves truthfully and delivers responses to events which are proportional and unbiased. As for media influence - is your vendetta against undue or inappropriate influence? Because people are being (often) inappropriately influenced from the day they are born: family, friends, politicians, businesses... Why should the media be any different? Maybe looking inwards and recognizing our failure of teaching our children the critical notion of "question everything", is an approach that could lead to better change.
    The smartest people I know don't even have TVs. However, my Dad, who's one of those people who knows a lot about everything, just a natural, comes from the era of Walter Kronkite, when news was a public service and actually reported factual news. So, it's much harder for him to believe that the news is a joke. But I've found him yelling at the TV about reporting false crap. He's slow to adapt, but is coming around.

    I agree 100% with the bolded part.
    good point.
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  • brianlux
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    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Free said:

    benjs said:

    Free said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
    Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
    I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
    There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
    Yeah, but we're talking about network news here. No need to be dramatic. I get the tricks and theories - I have a degree in that in fact. But I think the "mental manipulation" of mass media is somewhat overwrought unless you're talking about those who are easily manipulated and don't tend to think very critically. The rest of us are able to read between the lines and be conscious of media biases.
    Fair enough! I think the media might be responsible for confirmation bias to some degree, but in terms of actually shaping a viewer's position on a topic they've yet to decide on (or actually changing his or her position), I'll agree with you on that, and I'd say that that influence is likely limited to the uneducated.
    Just look at how polls and media manipulate behavior. Take a person who researches candidates based on their platforms, and doesn't watch mainstream news. Now take a person whose only research is the media which is full of character attacks, mudslinging, and polls created daily to manipulate viewer opinions on not only who's currently leading, but who is going to win overall through blatantly saying over and over and over again the same thing. That kind of coercion, and it is coercion even to the brightest people if they believe the news is telling the truth, affects your behavior. Think of all the dutiful little TV watchers going to vote on voting day and voting for whom the media tells them to. Because that's what it does.

    Now, between person 1 (the research guy/girl) and person 2 (TV guy/girl), who do you think will make the best educated decision on who is most aligned with their values for president?

    It doesn't matter how educated you are, the media influences you if you aren't savvy enough to see through the hype, falsities everywhere, pure distraction, entertainment, drama and most of all, fear.
    I find it hard or impossible to believe that the "brightest people" would simply buy into the fact that the news behaves truthfully and delivers responses to events which are proportional and unbiased. As for media influence - is your vendetta against undue or inappropriate influence? Because people are being (often) inappropriately influenced from the day they are born: family, friends, politicians, businesses... Why should the media be any different? Maybe looking inwards and recognizing our failure of teaching our children the critical notion of "question everything", is an approach that could lead to better change.
    The smartest people I know don't even have TVs. However, my Dad, who's one of those people who knows a lot about everything, just a natural, comes from the era of Walter Kronkite, when news was a public service and actually reported factual news. So, it's much harder for him to believe that the news is a joke. But I've found him yelling at the TV about reporting false crap. He's slow to adapt, but is coming around.

    I agree 100% with the bolded part.
    good point.
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  • Gern Blansten
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    Free said:

    benjs said:

    Free said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
    Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
    I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
    There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
    Yeah, but we're talking about network news here. No need to be dramatic. I get the tricks and theories - I have a degree in that in fact. But I think the "mental manipulation" of mass media is somewhat overwrought unless you're talking about those who are easily manipulated and don't tend to think very critically. The rest of us are able to read between the lines and be conscious of media biases.
    Fair enough! I think the media might be responsible for confirmation bias to some degree, but in terms of actually shaping a viewer's position on a topic they've yet to decide on (or actually changing his or her position), I'll agree with you on that, and I'd say that that influence is likely limited to the uneducated.
    Just look at how polls and media manipulate behavior. Take a person who researches candidates based on their platforms, and doesn't watch mainstream news. Now take a person whose only research is the media which is full of character attacks, mudslinging, and polls created daily to manipulate viewer opinions on not only who's currently leading, but who is going to win overall through blatantly saying over and over and over again the same thing. That kind of coercion, and it is coercion even to the brightest people if they believe the news is telling the truth, affects your behavior. Think of all the dutiful little TV watchers going to vote on voting day and voting for whom the media tells them to. Because that's what it does.

    Now, between person 1 (the research guy/girl) and person 2 (TV guy/girl), who do you think will make the best educated decision on who is most aligned with their values for president?

    It doesn't matter how educated you are, the media influences you if you aren't savvy enough to see through the hype, falsities everywhere, pure distraction, entertainment, drama and most of all, fear.
    I find it hard or impossible to believe that the "brightest people" would simply buy into the fact that the news behaves truthfully and delivers responses to events which are proportional and unbiased. As for media influence - is your vendetta against undue or inappropriate influence? Because people are being (often) inappropriately influenced from the day they are born: family, friends, politicians, businesses... Why should the media be any different? Maybe looking inwards and recognizing our failure of teaching our children the critical notion of "question everything", is an approach that could lead to better change.
    The smartest people I know don't even have TVs. However, my Dad, who's one of those people who knows a lot about everything, just a natural, comes from the era of Walter Kronkite, when news was a public service and actually reported factual news. So, it's much harder for him to believe that the news is a joke. But I've found him yelling at the TV about reporting false crap. He's slow to adapt, but is coming around.

    I agree 100% with the bolded part.
    Some news is a joke...it isn't hard for an intelligent person to discern the reputable reporting agencies from the biased ones.

    There are plenty of reputable sources now but there is money to be made by always opposing the truth so the bullshit agencies always have the desire to redirect the truth.
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    ^^^
    At least they're not blaming Trump for this one.
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    Ya know, I'd like to see all elections, I almost said erections, like Eddie did in Boston, sliced and diced by education achievement, like it is by demographic. Why? Because Thomas fuckin Jefferson had it right. Education via public libraries is great for democracy. Now, who, or which, on average, has expounded on Jefferson's ideals? And who, on average, has tried, and in many instances, accomplished, restricting those ideals? And, who on average, votes for who, based on education level?
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  • brianlux
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Ya know, I'd like to see all elections, I almost said erections, like Eddie did in Boston, sliced and diced by education achievement, like it is by demographic. Why? Because Thomas fuckin Jefferson had it right. Education via public libraries is great for democracy. Now, who, or which, on average, has expounded on Jefferson's ideals? And who, on average, has tried, and in many instances, accomplished, restricting those ideals? And, who on average, votes for who, based on education level?

    I'm not sure I'm following this, H2M, but it sure sounds good. Tell us more! Education, public libraries, democracy- all good stuff. How do you see them working together?

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    edited August 2016
    DarthMaeglin said:

    I get why Trump couldn't say the truth (in my opinion), that if any U.S. politician was the "founder" of ISIL it was George W. Bush via the invasion of Iraq that destabilized the region (even more).

    For my part, I might consider Obama an ISIL "booster," in large part for leaving Iraq before the country was properly stabilized, in an effort to get votes. And just in the interests of fairness, I hold the Canadian government partly responsible for the situation in Afghanistan (hardly secure and stable), for the same reasons.

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