The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.
Which is the entire point!!
Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
Yeah, but we're talking about network news here. No need to be dramatic. I get the tricks and theories - I have a degree in that in fact. But I think the "mental manipulation" of mass media is somewhat overwrought unless you're talking about those who are easily manipulated and don't tend to think very critically. The rest of us are able to read between the lines and be conscious of media biases.
Fair enough! I think the media might be responsible for confirmation bias to some degree, but in terms of actually shaping a viewer's position on a topic they've yet to decide on (or actually changing his or her position), I'll agree with you on that, and I'd say that that influence is likely limited to the uneducated.
Just look at how polls and media manipulate behavior. Take a person who researches candidates based on their platforms, and doesn't watch mainstream news. Now take a person whose only research is the media which is full of character attacks, mudslinging, and polls created daily to manipulate viewer opinions on not only who's currently leading, but who is going to win overall through blatantly saying over and over and over again the same thing. That kind of coercion, and it is coercion even to the brightest people if they believe the news is telling the truth, affects your behavior. Think of all the dutiful little TV watchers going to vote on voting day and voting for whom the media tells them to. Because that's what it does.
Now, between person 1 (the research guy/girl) and person 2 (TV guy/girl), who do you think will make the best educated decision on who is most aligned with their values for president?
It doesn't matter how educated you are, the media influences you if you aren't savvy enough to see through the hype, falsities everywhere, pure distraction, entertainment, drama and most of all, fear.
I find it hard or impossible to believe that the "brightest people" would simply buy into the fact that the news behaves truthfully and delivers responses to events which are proportional and unbiased. As for media influence - is your vendetta against undue or inappropriate influence? Because people are being (often) inappropriately influenced from the day they are born: family, friends, politicians, businesses... Why should the media be any different? Maybe looking inwards and recognizing our failure of teaching our children the critical notion of "question everything", is an approach that could lead to better change.
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The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.
Which is the entire point!!
Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
Yeah, but we're talking about network news here. No need to be dramatic. I get the tricks and theories - I have a degree in that in fact. But I think the "mental manipulation" of mass media is somewhat overwrought unless you're talking about those who are easily manipulated and don't tend to think very critically. The rest of us are able to read between the lines and be conscious of media biases.
Fair enough! I think the media might be responsible for confirmation bias to some degree, but in terms of actually shaping a viewer's position on a topic they've yet to decide on (or actually changing his or her position), I'll agree with you on that, and I'd say that that influence is likely limited to the uneducated.
Just look at how polls and media manipulate behavior. Take a person who researches candidates based on their platforms, and doesn't watch mainstream news. Now take a person whose only research is the media which is full of character attacks, mudslinging, and polls created daily to manipulate viewer opinions on not only who's currently leading, but who is going to win overall through blatantly saying over and over and over again the same thing. That kind of coercion, and it is coercion even to the brightest people if they believe the news is telling the truth, affects your behavior. Think of all the dutiful little TV watchers going to vote on voting day and voting for whom the media tells them to. Because that's what it does.
Now, between person 1 (the research guy/girl) and person 2 (TV guy/girl), who do you think will make the best educated decision on who is most aligned with their values for president?
It doesn't matter how educated you are, the media influences you if you aren't savvy enough to see through the hype, falsities everywhere, pure distraction, entertainment, drama and most of all, fear.
I find it hard or impossible to believe that the "brightest people" would simply buy into the fact that the news behaves truthfully and delivers responses to events which are proportional and unbiased. As for media influence - is your vendetta against undue or inappropriate influence? Because people are being (often) inappropriately influenced from the day they are born: family, friends, politicians, businesses... Why should the media be any different? Maybe looking inwards and recognizing our failure of teaching our children the critical notion of "question everything", is an approach that could lead to better change.
The smartest people I know don't even have TVs. However, my Dad, who's one of those people who knows a lot about everything, just a natural, comes from the era of Walter Kronkite, when news was a public service and actually reported factual news. So, it's much harder for him to believe that the news is a joke. But I've found him yelling at the TV about reporting false crap. He's slow to adapt, but is coming around.
The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.
Which is the entire point!!
Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
Yeah, but we're talking about network news here. No need to be dramatic. I get the tricks and theories - I have a degree in that in fact. But I think the "mental manipulation" of mass media is somewhat overwrought unless you're talking about those who are easily manipulated and don't tend to think very critically. The rest of us are able to read between the lines and be conscious of media biases.
Fair enough! I think the media might be responsible for confirmation bias to some degree, but in terms of actually shaping a viewer's position on a topic they've yet to decide on (or actually changing his or her position), I'll agree with you on that, and I'd say that that influence is likely limited to the uneducated.
Just look at how polls and media manipulate behavior. Take a person who researches candidates based on their platforms, and doesn't watch mainstream news. Now take a person whose only research is the media which is full of character attacks, mudslinging, and polls created daily to manipulate viewer opinions on not only who's currently leading, but who is going to win overall through blatantly saying over and over and over again the same thing. That kind of coercion, and it is coercion even to the brightest people if they believe the news is telling the truth, affects your behavior. Think of all the dutiful little TV watchers going to vote on voting day and voting for whom the media tells them to. Because that's what it does.
Now, between person 1 (the research guy/girl) and person 2 (TV guy/girl), who do you think will make the best educated decision on who is most aligned with their values for president?
It doesn't matter how educated you are, the media influences you if you aren't savvy enough to see through the hype, falsities everywhere, pure distraction, entertainment, drama and most of all, fear.
I find it hard or impossible to believe that the "brightest people" would simply buy into the fact that the news behaves truthfully and delivers responses to events which are proportional and unbiased. As for media influence - is your vendetta against undue or inappropriate influence? Because people are being (often) inappropriately influenced from the day they are born: family, friends, politicians, businesses... Why should the media be any different? Maybe looking inwards and recognizing our failure of teaching our children the critical notion of "question everything", is an approach that could lead to better change.
The smartest people I know don't even have TVs. However, my Dad, who's one of those people who knows a lot about everything, just a natural, comes from the era of Walter Kronkite, when news was a public service and actually reported factual news. So, it's much harder for him to believe that the news is a joke. But I've found him yelling at the TV about reporting false crap. He's slow to adapt, but is coming around.
I agree 100% with the bolded part.
good point.
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The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.
Which is the entire point!!
Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
Yeah, but we're talking about network news here. No need to be dramatic. I get the tricks and theories - I have a degree in that in fact. But I think the "mental manipulation" of mass media is somewhat overwrought unless you're talking about those who are easily manipulated and don't tend to think very critically. The rest of us are able to read between the lines and be conscious of media biases.
Fair enough! I think the media might be responsible for confirmation bias to some degree, but in terms of actually shaping a viewer's position on a topic they've yet to decide on (or actually changing his or her position), I'll agree with you on that, and I'd say that that influence is likely limited to the uneducated.
Just look at how polls and media manipulate behavior. Take a person who researches candidates based on their platforms, and doesn't watch mainstream news. Now take a person whose only research is the media which is full of character attacks, mudslinging, and polls created daily to manipulate viewer opinions on not only who's currently leading, but who is going to win overall through blatantly saying over and over and over again the same thing. That kind of coercion, and it is coercion even to the brightest people if they believe the news is telling the truth, affects your behavior. Think of all the dutiful little TV watchers going to vote on voting day and voting for whom the media tells them to. Because that's what it does.
Now, between person 1 (the research guy/girl) and person 2 (TV guy/girl), who do you think will make the best educated decision on who is most aligned with their values for president?
It doesn't matter how educated you are, the media influences you if you aren't savvy enough to see through the hype, falsities everywhere, pure distraction, entertainment, drama and most of all, fear.
I find it hard or impossible to believe that the "brightest people" would simply buy into the fact that the news behaves truthfully and delivers responses to events which are proportional and unbiased. As for media influence - is your vendetta against undue or inappropriate influence? Because people are being (often) inappropriately influenced from the day they are born: family, friends, politicians, businesses... Why should the media be any different? Maybe looking inwards and recognizing our failure of teaching our children the critical notion of "question everything", is an approach that could lead to better change.
The smartest people I know don't even have TVs. However, my Dad, who's one of those people who knows a lot about everything, just a natural, comes from the era of Walter Kronkite, when news was a public service and actually reported factual news. So, it's much harder for him to believe that the news is a joke. But I've found him yelling at the TV about reporting false crap. He's slow to adapt, but is coming around.
I agree 100% with the bolded part.
good point.
It is indeed. Well said, Hugh.
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The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.
Which is the entire point!!
Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
Yeah, but we're talking about network news here. No need to be dramatic. I get the tricks and theories - I have a degree in that in fact. But I think the "mental manipulation" of mass media is somewhat overwrought unless you're talking about those who are easily manipulated and don't tend to think very critically. The rest of us are able to read between the lines and be conscious of media biases.
Fair enough! I think the media might be responsible for confirmation bias to some degree, but in terms of actually shaping a viewer's position on a topic they've yet to decide on (or actually changing his or her position), I'll agree with you on that, and I'd say that that influence is likely limited to the uneducated.
Just look at how polls and media manipulate behavior. Take a person who researches candidates based on their platforms, and doesn't watch mainstream news. Now take a person whose only research is the media which is full of character attacks, mudslinging, and polls created daily to manipulate viewer opinions on not only who's currently leading, but who is going to win overall through blatantly saying over and over and over again the same thing. That kind of coercion, and it is coercion even to the brightest people if they believe the news is telling the truth, affects your behavior. Think of all the dutiful little TV watchers going to vote on voting day and voting for whom the media tells them to. Because that's what it does.
Now, between person 1 (the research guy/girl) and person 2 (TV guy/girl), who do you think will make the best educated decision on who is most aligned with their values for president?
It doesn't matter how educated you are, the media influences you if you aren't savvy enough to see through the hype, falsities everywhere, pure distraction, entertainment, drama and most of all, fear.
I find it hard or impossible to believe that the "brightest people" would simply buy into the fact that the news behaves truthfully and delivers responses to events which are proportional and unbiased. As for media influence - is your vendetta against undue or inappropriate influence? Because people are being (often) inappropriately influenced from the day they are born: family, friends, politicians, businesses... Why should the media be any different? Maybe looking inwards and recognizing our failure of teaching our children the critical notion of "question everything", is an approach that could lead to better change.
The smartest people I know don't even have TVs. However, my Dad, who's one of those people who knows a lot about everything, just a natural, comes from the era of Walter Kronkite, when news was a public service and actually reported factual news. So, it's much harder for him to believe that the news is a joke. But I've found him yelling at the TV about reporting false crap. He's slow to adapt, but is coming around.
I agree 100% with the bolded part.
Some news is a joke...it isn't hard for an intelligent person to discern the reputable reporting agencies from the biased ones.
There are plenty of reputable sources now but there is money to be made by always opposing the truth so the bullshit agencies always have the desire to redirect the truth.
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Breaking News: 12 August, 2016. 20:06 hours. Obama Blamed for Pearl Jam's New Website Glitches. Thousand of PJ fans heard screaming "I knew I should never have voted for that guy!" More at 11.
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Ya know, I'd like to see all elections, I almost said erections, like Eddie did in Boston, sliced and diced by education achievement, like it is by demographic. Why? Because Thomas fuckin Jefferson had it right. Education via public libraries is great for democracy. Now, who, or which, on average, has expounded on Jefferson's ideals? And who, on average, has tried, and in many instances, accomplished, restricting those ideals? And, who on average, votes for who, based on education level?
Ya know, I'd like to see all elections, I almost said erections, like Eddie did in Boston, sliced and diced by education achievement, like it is by demographic. Why? Because Thomas fuckin Jefferson had it right. Education via public libraries is great for democracy. Now, who, or which, on average, has expounded on Jefferson's ideals? And who, on average, has tried, and in many instances, accomplished, restricting those ideals? And, who on average, votes for who, based on education level?
I'm not sure I'm following this, H2M, but it sure sounds good. Tell us more! Education, public libraries, democracy- all good stuff. How do you see them working together?
Gotta run but looking forward to catching up with this later!
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I get why Trump couldn't say the truth (in my opinion), that if any U.S. politician was the "founder" of ISIL it was George W. Bush via the invasion of Iraq that destabilized the region (even more).
For my part, I might consider Obama an ISIL "booster," in large part for leaving Iraq before the country was properly stabilized, in an effort to get votes. And just in the interests of fairness, I hold the Canadian government partly responsible for the situation in Afghanistan (hardly secure and stable), for the same reasons.
Uhhhh, where's bad brains when you need him?
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I agree 100% with the bolded part.
-EV 8/14/93
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
There are plenty of reputable sources now but there is money to be made by always opposing the truth so the bullshit agencies always have the desire to redirect the truth.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
12 August, 2016. 20:06 hours.
Obama Blamed for Pearl Jam's New Website Glitches.
Thousand of PJ fans heard screaming "I knew I should never have voted for that guy!"
More at 11.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
At least they're not blaming Trump for this one.
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Gotta run but looking forward to catching up with this later!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
we will find a way, we will find our place
As someone who worked with the man in the Illinois Senate and on his US Senate campaign, I can guarantee that you didn't vote for him in 2006.
Ron Paul. There's a fucking blast from the past. Too bad he didn't wrap it up when his son was conceived.
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But thanks for the condescending reply.