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Breaking News: Media confirms that Barak Obama is not the founder of ISIS

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In case anyone here was swayed by DJT's claims the other day that President Obama founded ISIS, I thought I'd let you know that multiple media sources have confirmed that this claim is inaccurate.

http://bluenationreview.com/abc-cnn-confirm-president-obama-is-not-founder-of-isis/

Crazy that Politico, ABC, The Guardian, BBC, CNN, Washington Post, etc... have felt the need to explain that Trump's claims are without merit. What kind of kooky twilight zone are we in, and how does anyone give Trump any credibility at this point?
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Not everybody plays with a full deck, man. There are some serious idiots out there.
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Posts: 2,604
    I get why Trump couldn't say the truth (in my opinion), that if any U.S. politician was the "founder" of ISIL it was George W. Bush via the invasion of Iraq that destabilized the region (even more).

    For my part, I might consider Obama an ISIL "booster," in large part for leaving Iraq before the country was properly stabilized, in an effort to get votes. And just in the interests of fairness, I hold the Canadian government partly responsible for the situation in Afghanistan (hardly secure and stable), for the same reasons.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    DarthMaeglin said:

    I get why Trump couldn't say the truth (in my opinion), that if any U.S. politician was the "founder" of ISIL it was George W. Bush via the invasion of Iraq that destabilized the region (even more).

    For my part, I might consider Obama an ISIL "booster," in large part for leaving Iraq before the country was properly stabilized, in an effort to get votes. And just in the interests of fairness, I hold the Canadian government partly responsible for the situation in Afghanistan (hardly secure and stable), for the same reasons.

    The unofficial founder of ISIL. Yah... that might be a fair thing to say.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,034
    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Posts: 2,604
    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    It's almost comical how yesterday was all about what Trump might have inferred with his Second Amendment comments, and today he's being taken absolutely literally. And most of Canada's coverage of the campaigns is blatantly (and almost obscenely, for the media, in my opinion) anti-Trump.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    Oh thank god that's cleared up. :get_outta_here:
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited August 2016
    DarthMaeglin said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    It's almost comical how yesterday was all about what Trump might have inferred with his Second Amendment comments, and today he's being taken absolutely literally. And most of Canada's coverage of the campaigns is blatantly (and almost obscenely, for the media, in my opinion) anti-Trump.
    So?? Of course the media is anti-Trump. To ignore the buffoonery of Trump would be an embarrassment for the Canadian media. There is no other option. They are already being forced to report on this fucking joke of a man because he's running for POTUS. It is very clearly an exercise in the absurd. Don't expect them to treat him like a legit candidate too. That's not fair, and (almost) everyone knows it. There is no possible way for a human being who is a reporter to report on this shit with a straight face. If you expect that, then I guess you'd expect them to also take it seriously if, say, Mickey Mouse ran for President?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    Are any neocon blogs reporting it? Drudge? Hannity? O'Reilly? Savage Nation? Nah, he's roaring the lame stream media is covering it up. Breitbart? Rushbo? Surely, Paul Ryan and McConnell?
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    I think there's an intelligent discussion to be had around how US policy created an environment for ISIS to grow. I think the discussion can involve both Bush and Obama. But Trump's declaration that Obama founded ISIS is too comical to take seriously. Sometimes I have to read beyond the headlines to see if it was mainstream media or The Onion reporting these things because it is getting harder to tell the difference.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    jeffbr said:

    I think there's an intelligent discussion to be had around how US policy created an environment for ISIS to grow. I think the discussion can involve both Bush and Obama. But Trump's declaration that Obama founded ISIS is too comical to take seriously. Sometimes I have to read beyond the headlines to see if it was mainstream media or The Onion reporting these things because it is getting harder to tell the difference.

    Same! I keep getting tripped up by The Onion now because the ones about Trump are now completely believable, lol.
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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Posts: 2,604
    PJ_Soul said:

    DarthMaeglin said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    It's almost comical how yesterday was all about what Trump might have inferred with his Second Amendment comments, and today he's being taken absolutely literally. And most of Canada's coverage of the campaigns is blatantly (and almost obscenely, for the media, in my opinion) anti-Trump.
    So?? Of course the media is anti-Trump. To ignore the buffoonery of Trump would be an embarrassment for the Canadian media. There is no other option. They are already being forced to report on this fucking joke of a man because he's running for POTUS. It is very clearly an exercise in the absurd. Don't expect them to treat him like a legit candidate too. That's not fair, and (almost) everyone knows it. There is no possible way for a human being who is a reporter to report on this shit with a straight face. If you expect that, then I guess you'd expect them to also take it seriously if, say, Mickey Mouse ran for President?
    I think what's bothering me about the coverage is the condescending tone of many stories, as if Trump's candidacy is a joke. I realize (for a variety of reasons, most given by the man himself) it's easy to look at Trump's campaign that way, but it's no joke. He's got quite a bit of support from the electorate, for many valid reasons, such as his not being beholden to the established political machine.

    Treating him like a joke has a very real possibility of the U.S. waking up to President-elect Trump the morning after the election, which, with the system of checks and balances built into the American government wouldn't be as apocalyptic as many are portraying. We'd likely see a rare occurrence of a Republican congress blocking a Republican President's policies.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited August 2016
    DarthMaeglin said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    DarthMaeglin said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    It's almost comical how yesterday was all about what Trump might have inferred with his Second Amendment comments, and today he's being taken absolutely literally. And most of Canada's coverage of the campaigns is blatantly (and almost obscenely, for the media, in my opinion) anti-Trump.
    So?? Of course the media is anti-Trump. To ignore the buffoonery of Trump would be an embarrassment for the Canadian media. There is no other option. They are already being forced to report on this fucking joke of a man because he's running for POTUS. It is very clearly an exercise in the absurd. Don't expect them to treat him like a legit candidate too. That's not fair, and (almost) everyone knows it. There is no possible way for a human being who is a reporter to report on this shit with a straight face. If you expect that, then I guess you'd expect them to also take it seriously if, say, Mickey Mouse ran for President?
    I think what's bothering me about the coverage is the condescending tone of many stories, as if Trump's candidacy is a joke. I realize (for a variety of reasons, most given by the man himself) it's easy to look at Trump's campaign that way, but it's no joke. He's got quite a bit of support from the electorate, for many valid reasons, such as his not being beholden to the established political machine.

    Treating him like a joke has a very real possibility of the U.S. waking up to President-elect Trump the morning after the election, which, with the system of checks and balances built into the American government wouldn't be as apocalyptic as many are portraying. We'd likely see a rare occurrence of a Republican congress blocking a Republican President's policies.
    But Trump's candidacy IS a joke. A SICK joke, but.... Trump sure as hell isn't taking it seriously, so the media is at least treating is more seriously than he is. Although I don't really see anyone on the news laughing for the most part. Maybe sometimes on the morning news, but that isn't the same, lol. I think most of them are more stunned. I really do get the impression that most of those reporting have a tone of near disbelief, and one that shows they are aware of how absurd it all is, but at the same time I think they show real concern, some dismay, and again a bit of shock about the fact that this has been allowed to happen. Really, they are just trying to get through this the best they can I think. It's not an easy thing to navigate, and unprecedented. And kind of embarrassing.

    But I get your concern. I am no longer concerned about him winning unless proof of Hillary murdering people comes to light or something. I think maybe Trump's throwing it even. But I share concern in that there are as many people supporting him as there is, and that all.ofnthose people consider his antics a legit way to behave when running for president. The discussion about that could go in so many different directions, and probably on for eternity.
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,034
    DarthMaeglin said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    DarthMaeglin said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    It's almost comical how yesterday was all about what Trump might have inferred with his Second Amendment comments, and today he's being taken absolutely literally. And most of Canada's coverage of the campaigns is blatantly (and almost obscenely, for the media, in my opinion) anti-Trump.
    So?? Of course the media is anti-Trump. To ignore the buffoonery of Trump would be an embarrassment for the Canadian media. There is no other option. They are already being forced to report on this fucking joke of a man because he's running for POTUS. It is very clearly an exercise in the absurd. Don't expect them to treat him like a legit candidate too. That's not fair, and (almost) everyone knows it. There is no possible way for a human being who is a reporter to report on this shit with a straight face. If you expect that, then I guess you'd expect them to also take it seriously if, say, Mickey Mouse ran for President?
    I think what's bothering me about the coverage is the condescending tone of many stories, as if Trump's candidacy is a joke. I realize (for a variety of reasons, most given by the man himself) it's easy to look at Trump's campaign that way, but it's no joke. He's got quite a bit of support from the electorate, for many valid reasons, such as his not being beholden to the established political machine.

    Treating him like a joke has a very real possibility of the U.S. waking up to President-elect Trump the morning after the election, which, with the system of checks and balances built into the American government wouldn't be as apocalyptic as many are portraying. We'd likely see a rare occurrence of a Republican congress blocking a Republican President's policies.
    Here in America, all but the most stubborn DO think it's a joke. Even many of those who supported Trump early on get it. He's made it a joke. It's PURPOSEFULLY a joke. The ramifications of so many in the US supporting him? That is no joke.

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,034
    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
    Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    edited August 2016
    The destabilization of Syria led to isis, additionally Libya complicated the issue.

    So yeah, the US was behind it. It's called blowback.

    I wouldn't blame just Obama, McCain had that photo op, and Kerry and Clinton were around too.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    unsung said:

    The destabilization of Syria led to isis, additionally Libya complicated the issue.

    So yeah, the US was behind it. It's called blowback.

    I wouldn't blame just Obama, McCain had that photo op, and Kerry and Clinton were around too.

    Are you presenting this as a fact or as your opinion? Because there is one Iraq war and a one Paul Bremer. But I know, it's Obama's fault. Funny how you claim to blame both sides and hold both sides accountable. Where were you in 2003 and 2006?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,592
    DarthMaeglin said:

    I get why Trump couldn't say the truth (in my opinion), that if any U.S. politician was the "founder" of ISIL it was George W. Bush via the invasion of Iraq that destabilized the region (even more).

    For my part, I might consider Obama an ISIL "booster," in large part for leaving Iraq before the country was properly stabilized, in an effort to get votes. And just in the interests of fairness, I hold the Canadian government partly responsible for the situation in Afghanistan (hardly secure and stable), for the same reasons.

    you mean for honoring the staus of forces agreement negotiated and approved by Bush 43? In a place we had no real business in in the first place?
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,767
    If frumpy says it then it must be true

    Just ask him he'll tell you
  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance Posts: 23,308
    No way....
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    I thought Cassius founded ISIS
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    The US has destabilized many regions of the world. This is just the first time a bunch of crazy motherfuckers spawned.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    It's O.K. guys, Trump was just being sarcastic.

  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    unsung said:

    The destabilization of Syria led to isis, additionally Libya complicated the issue.

    So yeah, the US was behind it. It's called blowback.

    I wouldn't blame just Obama, McCain had that photo op, and Kerry and Clinton were around too.

    Are you presenting this as a fact or as your opinion? Because there is one Iraq war and a one Paul Bremer. But I know, it's Obama's fault. Funny how you claim to blame both sides and hold both sides accountable. Where were you in 2003 and 2006?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited August 2016
    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
    Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
    I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,145
    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
    Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
    I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
    There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
    Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
    I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
    There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
    Yeah, but we're talking about network news here. No need to be dramatic. I get the tricks and theories - I have a degree in that in fact. But I think the "mental manipulation" of mass media is somewhat overwrought unless you're talking about those who are easily manipulated and don't tend to think very critically. The rest of us are able to read between the lines and be conscious of media biases.
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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,145
    PJ_Soul said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
    Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
    I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
    There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
    Yeah, but we're talking about network news here. No need to be dramatic. I get the tricks and theories - I have a degree in that in fact. But I think the "mental manipulation" of mass media is somewhat overwrought unless you're talking about those who are easily manipulated and don't tend to think very critically. The rest of us are able to read between the lines and be conscious of media biases.
    Fair enough! I think the media might be responsible for confirmation bias to some degree, but in terms of actually shaping a viewer's position on a topic they've yet to decide on (or actually changing his or her position), I'll agree with you on that, and I'd say that that influence is likely limited to the uneducated.
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited August 2016
    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    benjs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    The news is getting more and more distracting and off the wall all the time. What a joke.

    Which is the entire point!!
    Exactly! Keep the masses amused. Keep them distracted. Don't allow a second (thus the rapid fire nature of media/"news" these days) for reflection or thought.
    I guess. I certainly fully understand that theory...... although I figure that only really works on stupid people. Though then one has to wonder just how many stupid people there are.
    There are many ways to control thought, and they're absolutely not limited in influence to the less intelligent, when done effectively.
    Yeah, but we're talking about network news here. No need to be dramatic. I get the tricks and theories - I have a degree in that in fact. But I think the "mental manipulation" of mass media is somewhat overwrought unless you're talking about those who are easily manipulated and don't tend to think very critically. The rest of us are able to read between the lines and be conscious of media biases.
    Fair enough! I think the media might be responsible for confirmation bias to some degree, but in terms of actually shaping a viewer's position on a topic they've yet to decide on (or actually changing his or her position), I'll agree with you on that, and I'd say that that influence is likely limited to the uneducated.
    Just look at how polls and media manipulate behavior. Take a person who researches candidates based on their platforms, and doesn't watch mainstream news. Now take a person whose only research is the media which is full of character attacks, mudslinging, and polls created daily to manipulate viewer opinions on not only who's currently leading, but who is going to win overall through blatantly saying over and over and over again the same thing. That kind of coercion, and it is coercion even to the brightest people if they believe the news is telling the truth, affects your behavior. Think of all the dutiful little TV watchers going to vote on voting day and voting for whom the media tells them to. Because that's what it does.

    Now, between person 1 (the research guy/girl) and person 2 (TV guy/girl), who do you think will make the best educated decision on who is most aligned with their values for president?

    It doesn't matter how educated you are, the media influences you if you aren't savvy enough to see through the hype, falsities everywhere, pure distraction, entertainment, drama and most of all, fear.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited August 2016
    We get it. But my argument is that the brighter people do indeed understand this and are able to apply critical thinking skills to it, rendering the attempt at coercion (which isn't always intentional btw) largely or completely ineffective. I actually think more people are savvy enough to see through the hype than you seem to think. That isn't to say that a lot people aren't, as I already said.
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