W.M.A. is more relevant than ever!

Big Bank Hank

Hobbes said:

What are the stats for Seattle?

a lot less than there were before we fully legalized marijuana, shootings have dropped dramtically

choop

Big Bank Hank said:

Hobbes said:

What are the stats for Seattle?

a lot less than there were before we fully legalized marijuana, shootings have dropped dramtically

i imagine there is no stats on the correlation of legalized weed and shootings, what a silly point to make. additionally, Seattle and Portland have to be the most gentrified cities in the U.S. - they are super white places.

Big Bank Hank

actually they had the stats the other day in a local paper, so not a silly, point, actually backed up by real data, I suppose I can hunt down the research, and Seattle does have a major homeless problem, the smell of marijuana is no longer PC, so a lot fewer ridiculous searches, fewer searches and stops, fewer altercations, even a 2nd grader could figure that out genius

pjman75

I was just thinking a similar thing this morning while driving to work; that Vs. as a whole really is sadly so poignant and spot on these days. Props on the post Hank.

F Me In The Brain

Hobbes said:

What are the stats for Seattle?

Wait, does this mean I am a 2nd grader too?

jeffbr

Hobbes said:

What are the stats for Seattle?

In 2015 there were 24 homicides in Seattle. 16 of them from shootings.
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/half-of-seattles-female-homicide-victims-last-year-were-homeless/

green_girl

Seattle is another city with a police problem.

But back to the point: How many unnecessary police shootings is too many? One. The answer is 1 is too many. And who brings a gun to a fist fight? A coward, that's who.

Hobbes

Really, this thread should be about the music.

Big Bank Hank

Hobbes said:

Really, this thread should be about the music.

well it is about the lyrics to the song

Hobbes

Big Bank Hank said:

Hobbes said:

Really, this thread should be about the music.

well it is about the lyrics to the song

Exactly. Very few posts have actually referenced the song.

It's all about the music.

jeffbr

green_girl said:

Seattle is another city with a police problem.
.

Not so much anymore. They went through Federal DOJ mandated reforms, retraining, different policies, old guard chiefs and commanders retired/fired. New leadership. New mayor. Seattle has cleaned up the police force considerably over the past several years. There will always be bad apples, but police abuse is definitely less institutionalized than it once was.

Big Bank Hank

pjman75 said:

I was just thinking a similar thing this morning while driving to work; that Vs. as a whole really is sadly so poignant and spot on these days. Props on the post Hank.

that is why Vs is my favorite album, I know it may have been one of their least fun to make, but every song is still relevant, and the lyrics are really great

F Me In The Brain

I wouldnt want to be a cop these days. Every piece of dogshit has a gun, and every other piece of dogshit is not scared to waive it at someone. If you have a gun on you and you get shot by a cop....I'm not automatically blaming the cop.
Not saying there isn't a problem -- but the larger problem is people walking around with guns and being cleared the govt to do it.
Multiple cops have been shot in the philly area this year. Fucked up stuff. If I were a cop I would shoot first and ask questions later if I thought it was a situation where I was at risk,

Big Bank Hank

jeffbr said:

green_girl said:

Seattle is another city with a police problem.
.

Not so much anymore. They went through Federal DOJ mandated reforms, retraining, different policies, old guard chiefs and commanders retired/fired. New leadership. New mayor. Seattle has cleaned up the police force considerably over the past several years. There will always be bad apples, but police abuse is definitely less institutionalized than it once was.

exactly, if you poll people long time Seattle residents, overwhelmingly they will tell you that it is a much safer city that it once was. Once you take the smell of marijuana as probable cause out of the equation, you reduce the number of ridiculous stops dramtically, plus everyone knows pot makes you far less violent

Ray J. T.

pjman75 said:

I was just thinking a similar thing this morning while driving to work; that Vs. as a whole really is sadly so poignant and spot on these days. Props on the post Hank.

Same here, actually the first song I heard today on PJ radio was WMA, and found myself thinking that PJ's music is sending such a powerful message, especially with how bad our country is looking now. And to think that a lot of these songs were written about 25 years ago, and how strong the message is now more than ever. Awesome post Hank, as usually most of your posts are spot on.

F Me In The Brain

Big Bank Hank said:

jeffbr said:

green_girl said:

Seattle is another city with a police problem.
.

Not so much anymore. They went through Federal DOJ mandated reforms, retraining, different policies, old guard chiefs and commanders retired/fired. New leadership. New mayor. Seattle has cleaned up the police force considerably over the past several years. There will always be bad apples, but police abuse is definitely less institutionalized than it once was.

exactly, if you poll people long time Seattle residents, overwhelmingly they will tell you that it is a much safer city that it once was. Once you take the smell of marijuana as probable cause out of the equation, you reduce the number of ridiculous stops dramtically, plus everyone knows pot makes you far less violent

Is it legal to get high while driving? Wouldn't this still be probable cause?
Everyone knows stoned people drive like crap.
https://youtu.be/Jb-cAJRZrlA

cp3iverson

RIP to the Dallas cops and to the guy in Minnesota

Most cops are good people. There will always be bad eggs tho. Same goes for every community and every race. You cant judge people based off of the bad ones.

Big Bank Hank

Hobbes said:

Really, this thread should be about the music.

I am pretty positive this kind of discussion Eddie was hoping to generate when he wrote the song, may have taken 23 years longer than he had hoped for, and maybe had we had real discussions about this back then as a society, than maybe a whole lot of lives could have been saved.

Big Bank Hank

cp3iverson said:

RIP to the Dallas cops and to the guy in Minnesota

Most cops are good people. There will always be bad eggs tho. Same goes for every community and every race. You cant judge people based off of the bad ones.

If you are a good cop and follow the Thin Blue Line and turn your back to wrongdoings, you become a bad cop through your own Indifference.

pjhawks

Big Bank Hank said:

jeffbr said:

green_girl said:

Seattle is another city with a police problem.
.

Not so much anymore. They went through Federal DOJ mandated reforms, retraining, different policies, old guard chiefs and commanders retired/fired. New leadership. New mayor. Seattle has cleaned up the police force considerably over the past several years. There will always be bad apples, but police abuse is definitely less institutionalized than it once was.

exactly, if you poll people long time Seattle residents, overwhelmingly they will tell you that it is a much safer city that it once was. Once you take the smell of marijuana as probable cause out of the equation, you reduce the number of ridiculous stops dramtically, plus everyone knows pot makes you far less violent

yea but that has nothing to do with WMA. Don't blame the cops in other cities for doing their jobs. Pot is illegal in every city but Seattle and Denver (outside of some medical marijuana) so the smell is probable cause in most cities.