You honestly think Bush orchestrated the Middle East invasion? Cheney and Rumsfeld were just tagging along for the ride and weren't influencing the US's course of direction? Even GW's father expressed their significance in that affair.
Your football description is interesting. I see it differently... I see it like the starting QB faltered... and once the game became a mess... the back up was called in- admittedly, unable to regain control of the game.
Anyone who thinks Bush's invasion of the Middle East wasn't tantamount to kicking the hornets nest is in serious need of some history revision- especially if they are pointing fingers at Obama who inherited the mess Bush's regime created.
It was kicking the hornets nest. The hornets were starting to sting and the nest needed to be kicked. That doesn't make W a hero or amazing. It makes him someone who recognized the status quo left in place by his father's own foreign policy was unacceptable. Pandora's box was already creaking open and he just decided to open it all the way on American terms. Again the stability you all speak of was an illusion.
There's some truth to this post, but it's lost in the suggestion that Bush recognized anything and acted as a president with a vision and a plan. He was a puppet who's masters manipulated him into becoming the worst president of the modern era.
The middle east invasion was misguided to say the least. From the nationalities of the hijackers, it was pretty clear who the enemies of the US were; however, Saudi Arabia was left alone if not somewhat protected.
And now... the west faces a somewhat galvanized force from the middle east that is rearing its head in various places at various times with no apparent end in sight.
F**king scary really.
I don't buy the puppet argument at all and history shows it not to be the case. I get that thinking W was a useles tool under the control of outside forces is AMT 101 but history just does not bare that out. The decisions he made were from a selection of only bad choices. Again that's what gets lost in here. The "galvanized force from the middle east" was coming...it was only a matter of time. The radical islamist movement was not confined to a country but was always planned to be global in reach and would have been ascendent with or without action. The question was whether the coming battle would be on Western terms. Iraq was an absolute mess post invasion but the major part of that mess is that it brought all the radical elements to the surface. The surge then proved that these radicals could be defeated through American cooperation with local sunni forces. Victory was in sight but it would only ever have been guaranteed by a prolonged American presence similar to Germany/Japan. That was the strategy and it was working. The withdrawal however brought the collapse, the horrors of Syria and from there the bombings in Istanbul.
I only wish to speak to your defence of W given you've called my characterizations of him juvenile.
You seem eager to give him credit. History has shown he fumbled badly. Further, he's essentially the living embodiment of Homer Simpson spliced with Alfred E Neumann. Now... either one of these two items by themselves might lend an opportunity to defend the guy, but combined... yikes.
Good try though.
Your characterization of him as a puppet is juvenile. Sorry. On the fumble though you are simply wrong as where it took place. The fumble was after the toppling of Saddam early in the second quarter. W then recovered the ball close to his own end zone late in the second. He then marched down the field with a number of surge plays and rammed that ball across the goal line just as time ran out at the half. The good guys were up at that point but the coach subbed in a new quarterback in the third who has yet to do anything except take a knee.
there you go, blaming obama again.
to be honest, it is the fault of the moronic general manager who thought it was a good idea to play that out of conference road schedule.
bush was not the qb. he was the waterboy that gave shade for cheney and rummy.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
You honestly think Bush orchestrated the Middle East invasion? Cheney and Rumsfeld were just tagging along for the ride and weren't influencing the US's course of direction? Even GW's father expressed their significance in that affair.
Your football description is interesting. I see it differently... I see it like the starting QB faltered... and once the game became a mess... the back up was called in- admittedly, unable to regain control of the game.
Not orchestrate. Those men along with others played their part. But as W liked to put it he was "the decider". He was also the one who accepted Rumsfeld's resignation when the game was being lost. He regained control of the game with the surge. The backup came in with the game under control but he tried to run out the clock with so much more football left to play.
So you support a plan that involved invading a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11 (based on complete fabrications) and occupying the middle east for 75 years...
So you support a plan that involved invading a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11 (based on complete fabrications) and occupying the middle east for 75 years...
So you support a plan that involved invading a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11 (based on complete fabrications) and occupying the middle east for 75 years...
You honestly think Bush orchestrated the Middle East invasion? Cheney and Rumsfeld were just tagging along for the ride and weren't influencing the US's course of direction? Even GW's father expressed their significance in that affair.
Your football description is interesting. I see it differently... I see it like the starting QB faltered... and once the game became a mess... the back up was called in- admittedly, unable to regain control of the game.
You are absolutely correct that george bush was not to blame for the iraq war. But you forgot to add karl rove to the equation.
Nothing and I mean NOTHING went on in the white house without karl rove being involved.
So you support a plan that involved invading a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11 (based on complete fabrications) and occupying the middle east for 75 years...
Sweet plan
Not a sweet plan...the only plan.
So we had no choice but to invade Iraq and occupy the middle east for 75 years?
Many critics of Ankara point out that Turkey remains a major transit route for radicals on their way to join Isil in Iraq and Syria, and that wounded fighters have sought treatment in the country.
So you support a plan that involved invading a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11 (based on complete fabrications) and occupying the middle east for 75 years...
Sweet plan
Not a sweet plan...the only plan.
So we had no choice but to invade Iraq and occupy the middle east for 75 years?
There's always a choice. The question is what long term objective one is trying to achieve.
So you support a plan that involved invading a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11 (based on complete fabrications) and occupying the middle east for 75 years...
Sweet plan
Not a sweet plan...the only plan.
So we had no choice but to invade Iraq and occupy the middle east for 75 years?
There's always a choice. The question is what long term objective one is trying to achieve.
So says the Israeli apologist from his comfy perch north of the border. Why do your bidding when others will do it for you and pay the price but not the bills?
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Your football description is interesting. I see it differently... I see it like the starting QB faltered... and once the game became a mess... the back up was called in- admittedly, unable to regain control of the game.
to be honest, it is the fault of the moronic general manager who thought it was a good idea to play that out of conference road schedule.
bush was not the qb. he was the waterboy that gave shade for cheney and rummy.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Sweet plan
Where did ISIS start again?
Like I said, no need to debate because nobody is going to change their minds on a rock bands message board...
We all want the same things, we just have different ideas and opinions on how to do it
Please read:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/23/opinion/how-saddam-hussein-gave-us-isis.html
Yeah that turned out completely wrong. Lol
we will find a way, we will find our place
Nothing and I mean NOTHING went on in the white house without karl rove being involved.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/02/donald-trump-to-turkish-reporter-are-you-friend-or-foe/
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