$15 an hour VS. Robotics

mace1229

I just did a similar search for DA, and it was very similar to an EMT. From what I saw for nurses it was a little higher, average being about mid 20's. But that was the average, so yes in some areas you can be a certified nurse making $20 in charge of someone's life, or flipping burgers making $15. Same with an EMT, you want the person saving your life making the same amount as the person asking if you want extra mac sauce with that?

rgambs

mace1229 said:

I just did a similar search for DA, and it was very similar to an EMT. From what I saw for nurses it was a little higher, average being about mid 20's. But that was the average, so yes in some areas you can be a certified nurse making $20 in charge of someone's life, or flipping burgers making $15. Same with an EMT, you want the person saving your life making the same amount as the person asking if you want extra mac sauce with that?

No, we want everyone to get the pay they deserve, you do our first responders a disservice with this argument.

mace1229

By saying they deserve more than minimum wage does them a disservice? Seems kinda the opposite to me.
Because at a minimum wage of $15 that's what they will be at, but they do deserve more than minimum wage..

rgambs

mace1229 said:

By saying they deserve more than minimum wage does them a disservice? Seems kinda the opposite to me.
Because at a minimum wage of $15 that's what they will be at, but they do deserve more than minimum wage..

You aren't saying they deserve more, you are using them as evidence of why others deserve less.
Be a champion for them if that's what you want to do, don't use them to hold down others.
If min wage goes to 15$ they will jump closer to 30$ and everybody wins.

mace1229

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

By saying they deserve more than minimum wage does them a disservice? Seems kinda the opposite to me.
Because at a minimum wage of $15 that's what they will be at, but they do deserve more than minimum wage..

You aren't saying they deserve more, you are using them as evidence of why others deserve less.
Be a champion for them if that's what you want to do, don't use them to hold down others.
If min wage goes to 15$ they will jump closer to 30$ and everybody wins.

That's called inflation.

mace1229

I didn't mean to sound degrading to any profession. I believe its common knowledge with most of these salaries I mentioned and they do deserve more. But if we raise the wage of a minimum skill job, then raise the wage of jobs that require more skills, that's exactly what inflation is and doesn't help anyone or solve anything.

jeffbr

That's the biggest fear I have, and will admit to not fully understanding the ramifications of increasing the minimum wage to $15/hr. I know I've posted about it here in the past.

If a company currently starts employees at $10/hr, and over the course of time provides wage increases based on seniority or merit, you might have someone making $15/hr who has been there for a number of years, and is now a skilled worker with seniority. If the minimum wage is now mandated to be $15/hr, do you leave your skilled senior workers at $15/hr as well? I would think that would create a lot of animosity. So to combat that, do you provide a commensurate increase to all existing employees so that you aren't paying unskilled and skilled labor the same wage? If so, then everyone makes more, and employee costs skyrocket. The way businesses will compensate for that will be increased prices on goods and services. So now everyone will be making higher wages, but since they'll also be paying increased costs won't we be right back to where we are now in terms of buying power? Suddenly the $15/hr employees will no longer be making a livable wage and we'll be talking again about mandating a new increase.

rgambs

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

By saying they deserve more than minimum wage does them a disservice? Seems kinda the opposite to me.
Because at a minimum wage of $15 that's what they will be at, but they do deserve more than minimum wage..

You aren't saying they deserve more, you are using them as evidence of why others deserve less.
Be a champion for them if that's what you want to do, don't use them to hold down others.
If min wage goes to 15$ they will jump closer to 30$ and everybody wins.

That's called inflation.

Wrong, it is a factor that can contribute to inflation, but at this point it is just trying to keep up with the inflation that has already occured.

mace1229

Exactly what I had in mind when I saying you still need to make wages competitive. If the starting wage is now doubled, every other wage (if they can afford it) will increase within that company or not, and if they cant afford it will lose employees and go out of business.

muskydan

jeffbr said:

That's the biggest fear I have, and will admit to not fully understanding the ramifications of increasing the minimum wage to $15/hr. I know I've posted about it here in the past.

If a company currently starts employees at $10/hr, and over the course of time provides wage increases based on seniority or merit, you might have someone making $15/hr who has been there for a number of years, and is now a skilled worker with seniority. If the minimum wage is now mandated to be $15/hr, do you leave your skilled senior workers at $15/hr as well? I would think that would create a lot of animosity. So to combat that, do you provide a commensurate increase to all existing employees so that you aren't paying unskilled and skilled labor the same wage? If so, then everyone makes more, and employee costs skyrocket. The way businesses will compensate for that will be increased prices on goods and services. So now everyone will be making higher wages, but since they'll also be paying increased costs won't we be right back to where we are now in terms of buying power? Suddenly the $15/hr employees will no longer be making a livable wage and we'll be talking again about mandating a new increase.

I totally agree. Who the hell wants to pay 8 bucks for a big mac????
So has anyone been to a fight for 15 protest/rally? If you have not and care about this issue I strongly encourage you to attend one. If you have children you should bring them along so they understand that an education is really important or you might turn into one of these individuals...

mace1229

I'd still pony up $8 for a double-double at In-n-Out. but Big Mac? No way!

SundaySilence

Here is a good discussion about the data and research on this topic:

http://journalistsresource.org/studies/economics/inequality/the-effects-of-raising-the-minimum-wage

muskydan

mace1229 said:

I'd still pony up $8 for a double-double at In-n-Out. but Big Mac? No way!

mace1229 said:

I'd still pony up $8 for a double-double at In-n-Out. but Big Mac? No way!

Never had a In-n-out Burger….Its a crime since one of my favorite movies of all time is the Big Lebowski

rgambs

muskydan said:

mace1229 said:

I'd still pony up $8 for a double-double at In-n-Out. but Big Mac? No way!

mace1229 said:

I'd still pony up $8 for a double-double at In-n-Out. but Big Mac? No way!

Never had a In-n-out Burger….Its a crime since one of my favorite movies of all time is the Big Lebowski

Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, at least they had an ethos

Shut the fuck up Donny
You are about to enter a world of pain

Godfather.

EarlWelsh said:

Godfather. said:

if you think Corporate America is concerned about their employee's read this, anything that you get is only given as means to keep your services until you are no longer needed, this why we need union's.

Godfather.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/05/24/fmr-mcdonalds-usa-ceo-35k-robots-cheaper-than-hiring-at-15-per-hour.html

Dude....we really have to work on your use of apostrophe's.

HAHAHAHHHAHAHH !! yea I know.

Godfather.

mickeyrat

Godfather. said:

EarlWelsh said:

Godfather. said:

if you think Corporate America is concerned about their employee's read this, anything that you get is only given as means to keep your services until you are no longer needed, this why we need union's.

Godfather.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/05/24/fmr-mcdonalds-usa-ceo-35k-robots-cheaper-than-hiring-at-15-per-hour.html

Dude....we really have to work on your use of apostrophe's.

HAHAHAHHHAHAHH !! yea I know.

Godfather.

but the spelling has improved. so, baby steps.

Godfather.

mickeyrat said:

Godfather. said:

EarlWelsh said:

Godfather. said:

if you think Corporate America is concerned about their employee's read this, anything that you get is only given as means to keep your services until you are no longer needed, this why we need union's.

Godfather.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/05/24/fmr-mcdonalds-usa-ceo-35k-robots-cheaper-than-hiring-at-15-per-hour.html

Dude....we really have to work on your use of apostrophe's.

HAHAHAHHHAHAHH !! yea I know.

Godfather.

but the spelling has improved. so, baby steps.

HAHAHAHHAHAHA ! Gracious Amigo. that's some funny stuff !

Godfather.

hedonist

And then GF comes back with Gracious vs Gracias.

Thanks for the smile, sir

Godfather.

hedonist said:

And then GF comes back with Gracious vs Gracias.

Thanks for the smile, sir

you laughed out loud !.....I would've in a heart beat ahhahahhahha !

Godfather.

p.s. is really possible for a non Latino person like myself to spell a Spanish word wrong ????
I think not ! AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.

Smellyman

English isn't your strong suit? Are you Italian?