Lets discuss "The Casual Fan"

Ray J. T.

josevolution said:

Fuck that I pay good $ I want them to play what I wanna hear when I wanna hear it plus I better get a tambourine or harmonica anything less will be a crap show ....

So you are saying a 10c live request show tour only?

PJfanwillneverleave1

I think the casual fan was probably impressed on how superbly tight PJ is when playing live.
You just don't see that anymore - they sound incredible (as we know)
However I just don't get Gods Dice, to me that is the song where the casual fan would start to lose attention. They should've played Last Kiss instead, it is way better and appeals more to the masses and keeps them engaged.
Gods Dice I find myself wishing they would sing it faster and get it over with.

josevolution

RT287183 said:

josevolution said:

Fuck that I pay good $ I want them to play what I wanna hear when I wanna hear it plus I better get a tambourine or harmonica anything less will be a crap show ....

So you are saying a 10c live request show tour only?

Hehe he he just messing with Speedys thread , I could care less what they play anymore ...

my2hands

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

But how did the casual fan enjoy that show last night? And should we really care?

no, we shouldn't

i sure dont

PJfanwillneverleave1

Here is an interesting read and it mentions a casual fan. The three-hour 25th anniversary concert worked for hardcore and casual fans alike
https://nowtoronto.com/music/concert-reviews/five-things-you-missed-at-pearl-jam/

my2hands

nothing wrong with introducing people to new music... especially when it is great music

HughFreakingDillon

to put it in perspective, I went to an Eric Clapton show years ago with my dad, (my Dad has always been a fan, but likes the hits, I am more casual) and he played very few, if any, recognizable hits. it was a fucking snoozefest for both of us. So I get why the casual fan would have been bored. But I would have been shitting myself.

buck502000

Solution = ten club members only show

StevieG

I absolutely loved hearing Binaural live. Would also love No Code, Yield, Riot Act and Avocado.

I'd gladly take a pass on the others. As a side note, I would rather eat broken glass than have Backspacer played at a show.

SputNick

buck502000 said:

Solution = ten club members only show

with single 10c tickets.

PJfanwillneverleave1

SputNick said:

buck502000 said:

Solution = ten club members only show

with single 10c tickets.

and lighters, no phones

DeLukin

CasualFan < EvenBro

(Because at least EvenBros offer some sort of entertainment in addition to being annoying)

ckravitz

It would be awfully shortsighted of the band to ignore the group (casuals) that purchase 60% of their tickets. That shortsightedness would lead to all sorts of unpleasantness (less shows, less diverse geographies) that the so called diehards wouldn't much like.

Fortunately the band knows better and does take their audience in to account as evidenced by their ability to balance a setlist pretty damn well.

whofeelslikeadrank

having been a casual fan of many, many classic rock bands for almost 40 years, and having been to 300+ shows from said bands... i can unequivocally say that even a casual fan of this band can appreciate the performance, even if they don't know then song. even after the "disappointment" (NOT) of msg2, i'm pretty sure i'll never miss PJ when i have the chance to see them live.

rick1zoo2

I am not the casual fan, but I have come to expect that each show, there will be 1-4 songs that either I don't know or don't particularly care for, but it's more than made up for with the rest of the show. I was a bit lost at the PJ20 shows at Alpine.

PJ concert setlists are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are gonna get...

and that's all I have to say about that...

vest71

wow you are all on a high horse there, hear me having the right to talk smack about others because I have been to 30+ shows you should be ashamed of your self ... Maybe your so called "casual" fan spend the time enjoying the music not carrying about what album the songs was from, just being glad they finally found the money and time to see a great rock band ... Hope you all enjoyed the show no matter what

my2hands

vest71 said:

wow you are all on a high horse there, hear me having the right to talk smack about others because I have been to 30+ shows you should be ashamed of your self ... Maybe your so called "casual" fan spend the time enjoying the music not carrying about what album the songs was from, just being glad they finally found the money and time to see a great rock band ... Hope you all enjoyed the show no matter what

I'm not judging them... I just don't give a shit about them and what songs they know/like

Why should i? I'm not the band trying to satisfy paying customers... I'm actually the exact opposite

BS44325

RT287183 said:

CantKeepmedown said:

Casual fan was fired up with Go opening (maybe they've heard of DTE and MYM, or at least seen the videos), But either way fired up.

Casual fan was then pretty lost for the next 13 songs. A good hour or so of not really knowing what was going on, and for sure wondering, "how much money did I spend on this ticket?

Casual fan was then whipped right back into shape with Corduroy, Once, and RVM. 3 songs they've surely heard a bunch of times and could really get in to.

Casual fan then got 2 really cool covers, and Betterman and Porch. A great encore for casual fan.

And then a 7 song second encore where casual fan has probably heard of most of the songs.

The thing with casual fan (or those who haven't done any research on PJ shows) is that they were not expecting a 3hr, 33 song set. That's just not the norm for most arena rock shows. They probably thought the night was done after encore 1.

So, all in all, I think casual fan had a great night. Yeah, there was an hour or so in the middle where he lost, wondering what was happening. But the band they knew and loved ended up delivering for them. They got to hear a bunch of hits, sing real loud, and enjoy some nice cover songs.

I think this about sums it up to a tee. But now if I am not mistaken, I did read earlier on the forums, that all of their albums have gone multi platinum in Canada. However, we are talking about a handful of songs that the casual fan were lost while being played. I will say this much, the casual fan is the worse part about not scoring 10c tickets to the show you are attending, for all reasons already mentioned by speedy. The lack of enthusiasm, the texting, the complaining "why aren't they playing the whole Ten album or Vs. Hopefully we will see the day the do a few 10c exclusive shows or tour, all the more reason to do one. (Hopefully in really intimate locations)

With respect to the "multi platinum in Canada" bit I am pretty sure that Nothing As It Seems charted higher in Canada then any other country back in the day when those things were measured. If any country's casual fans could handle a Binaural it would be Canada's.

SVRDhand13

branscop said:

Local DJ in NY discussed Binaural being played...
said he could understand the band doing Ten, VS, No Code or Yield.... but not Binaural....He called Binaural a "snoozer" for fans....
Blasphemy!!!!!!

which idiot? um, i mean, which DJ?

@branscop

vest71

my2hands said:

vest71 said:

wow you are all on a high horse there, hear me having the right to talk smack about others because I have been to 30+ shows you should be ashamed of your self ... Maybe your so called "casual" fan spend the time enjoying the music not carrying about what album the songs was from, just being glad they finally found the money and time to see a great rock band ... Hope you all enjoyed the show no matter what

I'm not judging them... I just don't give a shit about them and what songs they know/like

Why should i? I'm not the band trying to satisfy paying customers... I'm actually the exact opposite

Arhhh you do give a shit otherwise you wouldn't have taken your time to write about the subject... And the opposite is what ? A fan paying a band to satisfy him/ them ?