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PJfanwillneverleave1

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hedonist

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Opinion -
On Sympathy, Empathy, everybody has felt deep grief at the sight or the thought of a suffering individual or even another species. That does seem to be something in humanity, to feel empathy with suffering and as a Darwinian I can offer explanations for that but I won't do it now because there is not enough characters allowed to type.
It is a travesty that it has somehow become widely accepted that if you throw out religion you throw out The Good Samaritan, the weeping at Shakespeare or at a Schubert Quartet. It has nothing to do with religion in the sense of the supernatural, of course you can redefine religion as covering all these emotional artistic aspects. In that case there is no contest but that is confusing and we need to define religion as a belief in something supernatural. You get your beliefs not from evidence but from faith, revelation, tradition, scripture and authority. All these are bad reasons to believe anything. Evidence is the only reason to believe something.
We are all in life together and are all capable of the same kinds of good emotions/actions whether we are religious or not. We can't give religion credit for the good things in humanity they are a part of humanity along with the bad whether you are religious or not.

Jesus, I make more sense than this after two bong hits.

brianlux

hedonist said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Opinion -
On Sympathy, Empathy, everybody has felt deep grief at the sight or the thought of a suffering individual or even another species. That does seem to be something in humanity, to feel empathy with suffering and as a Darwinian I can offer explanations for that but I won't do it now because there is not enough characters allowed to type.
It is a travesty that it has somehow become widely accepted that if you throw out religion you throw out The Good Samaritan, the weeping at Shakespeare or at a Schubert Quartet. It has nothing to do with religion in the sense of the supernatural, of course you can redefine religion as covering all these emotional artistic aspects. In that case there is no contest but that is confusing and we need to define religion as a belief in something supernatural. You get your beliefs not from evidence but from faith, revelation, tradition, scripture and authority. All these are bad reasons to believe anything. Evidence is the only reason to believe something.
We are all in life together and are all capable of the same kinds of good emotions/actions whether we are religious or not. We can't give religion credit for the good things in humanity they are a part of humanity along with the bad whether you are religious or not.

Jesus, I make more sense than this after two bong hits.

I haven't had any bong hits today so I'm not sure I'm following this thread correctly but I will throw this noodle at the fridge and see if it sticks: what about Native American religion that is based on real things that are metaphors like the earth being a turtle? That doesn't seem very super natural to me.

OK, did it stick or slide to the floor?

rgambs

I agree that religion is belief in the supernatural, but that sort of boils down into an argument of semantics...arguments I love to have lol

HughFreakingDillon

hedonist said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Opinion -
On Sympathy, Empathy, everybody has felt deep grief at the sight or the thought of a suffering individual or even another species. That does seem to be something in humanity, to feel empathy with suffering and as a Darwinian I can offer explanations for that but I won't do it now because there is not enough characters allowed to type.
It is a travesty that it has somehow become widely accepted that if you throw out religion you throw out The Good Samaritan, the weeping at Shakespeare or at a Schubert Quartet. It has nothing to do with religion in the sense of the supernatural, of course you can redefine religion as covering all these emotional artistic aspects. In that case there is no contest but that is confusing and we need to define religion as a belief in something supernatural. You get your beliefs not from evidence but from faith, revelation, tradition, scripture and authority. All these are bad reasons to believe anything. Evidence is the only reason to believe something.
We are all in life together and are all capable of the same kinds of good emotions/actions whether we are religious or not. We can't give religion credit for the good things in humanity they are a part of humanity along with the bad whether you are religious or not.

Jesus, I make more sense than this after two bong hits.

I was wondering if I had missed something. this is like stream of consciousness, but missing the first half of the stream.

LOL

PJ_Soul

Ditch the religious connection. The supernatural is altogether something else. No need to bring religion into it at all IMO. I do not at all think that religion and the supernatural are the same thing, semantics or not.

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

Ditch the religious connection. The supernatural is altogether something else. No need to bring religion into it at all IMO. I do not at all think that religion and the supernatural are the same thing, semantics or not.

That's a good point and one that will get debated/argued for and against here strongly.

Now will somebody please explain in simple language what this thread is really about? Bong hit induced otherworldly events is what I've got so far.

josevolution

Could it be about Flat Earth theory..

callen

Find it fascinating that when ever religion is brought up humans get irrational in responding. Even on a board sponsored by a band openly critical of religion those that speak against it are shunned like leapers.

hedonist said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Opinion -
On Sympathy, Empathy, everybody has felt deep grief at the sight or the thought of a suffering individual or even another species. That does seem to be something in humanity, to feel empathy with suffering and as a Darwinian I can offer explanations for that but I won't do it now because there is not enough characters allowed to type.
It is a travesty that it has somehow become widely accepted that if you throw out religion you throw out The Good Samaritan, the weeping at Shakespeare or at a Schubert Quartet. It has nothing to do with religion in the sense of the supernatural, of course you can redefine religion as covering all these emotional artistic aspects. In that case there is no contest but that is confusing and we need to define religion as a belief in something supernatural. You get your beliefs not from evidence but from faith, revelation, tradition, scripture and authority. All these are bad reasons to believe anything. Evidence is the only reason to believe something.
We are all in life together and are all capable of the same kinds of good emotions/actions whether we are religious or not. We can't give religion credit for the good things in humanity they are a part of humanity along with the bad whether you are religious or not.

Jesus, I make more sense than this after two bong hits.

Put down the bong for week and reread rather than attack poster that had some great thoughts. Poster started it as saying "this is my opinion" and then shared thoughts. Posts like this add to the boards enjoyment. Yours not so much.

hedonist

callen said:

Find it fascinating that when ever religion is brought up humans get intestinal in responding. Even on a board sponsored by a band openly critical of religion those that speak against it are shunned like leapers.

hedonist said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Opinion -
On Sympathy, Empathy, everybody has felt deep grief at the sight or the thought of a suffering individual or even another species. That does seem to be something in humanity, to feel empathy with suffering and as a Darwinian I can offer explanations for that but I won't do it now because there is not enough characters allowed to type.
It is a travesty that it has somehow become widely accepted that if you throw out religion you throw out The Good Samaritan, the weeping at Shakespeare or at a Schubert Quartet. It has nothing to do with religion in the sense of the supernatural, of course you can redefine religion as covering all these emotional artistic aspects. In that case there is no contest but that is confusing and we need to define religion as a belief in something supernatural. You get your beliefs not from evidence but from faith, revelation, tradition, scripture and authority. All these are bad reasons to believe anything. Evidence is the only reason to believe something.
We are all in life together and are all capable of the same kinds of good emotions/actions whether we are religious or not. We can't give religion credit for the good things in humanity they are a part of humanity along with the bad whether you are religious or not.

Jesus, I make more sense than this after two bong hits.

Put down the bong for week and reread rather than attack poster that had some great thoughts. Poster started it as saying "this is my opinion" and then shared thoughts. Posts like this add to the boards enjoyment. Yours not so much.

Oh callen. Thank you for the kind words, as always.

callen

Oh and please use full name "Zombie Jesus".

HughFreakingDillon

callen said:

Find it fascinating that when ever religion is brought up humans get irrational in responding. Even on a board sponsored by a band openly critical of religion those that speak against it are shunned like leapers.

hedonist said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Opinion -
On Sympathy, Empathy, everybody has felt deep grief at the sight or the thought of a suffering individual or even another species. That does seem to be something in humanity, to feel empathy with suffering and as a Darwinian I can offer explanations for that but I won't do it now because there is not enough characters allowed to type.
It is a travesty that it has somehow become widely accepted that if you throw out religion you throw out The Good Samaritan, the weeping at Shakespeare or at a Schubert Quartet. It has nothing to do with religion in the sense of the supernatural, of course you can redefine religion as covering all these emotional artistic aspects. In that case there is no contest but that is confusing and we need to define religion as a belief in something supernatural. You get your beliefs not from evidence but from faith, revelation, tradition, scripture and authority. All these are bad reasons to believe anything. Evidence is the only reason to believe something.
We are all in life together and are all capable of the same kinds of good emotions/actions whether we are religious or not. We can't give religion credit for the good things in humanity they are a part of humanity along with the bad whether you are religious or not.

Jesus, I make more sense than this after two bong hits.

Put down the bong for week and reread rather than attack poster that had some great thoughts. Poster started it as saying "this is my opinion" and then shared thoughts. Posts like this add to the boards enjoyment. Yours not so much.

the OP made zero sense to me either, callen.

amethgr8

the relationship between a humans emotions and compassion and whether or not they are religious. down need religion to tell us to be good to our neighbor or to set a moral standard otherwise? not really sure of the exact point but that is my educated guess.

I base my apple pie on my grandmothers and possibly her grandmothers recipe and isn't that basing my belief on tradition which in your opinion is not a good reason. but when the pie comes out delicious, then that is physical evidence? but I took the chance on the tradition. maybe that is not apples to apples, idk. I love theological discussions though. I think it's a balance between what you can see, feel and smell. But also what we try to interpret, our gut feelings or intuition.

Free

The word "supernatural" throws me. Perhaps if it were replaced with the word "spiritual"...

rgambs

HughFreakingDillon said:

callen said:

Find it fascinating that when ever religion is brought up humans get irrational in responding. Even on a board sponsored by a band openly critical of religion those that speak against it are shunned like leapers.

hedonist said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Opinion -
On Sympathy, Empathy, everybody has felt deep grief at the sight or the thought of a suffering individual or even another species. That does seem to be something in humanity, to feel empathy with suffering and as a Darwinian I can offer explanations for that but I won't do it now because there is not enough characters allowed to type.
It is a travesty that it has somehow become widely accepted that if you throw out religion you throw out The Good Samaritan, the weeping at Shakespeare or at a Schubert Quartet. It has nothing to do with religion in the sense of the supernatural, of course you can redefine religion as covering all these emotional artistic aspects. In that case there is no contest but that is confusing and we need to define religion as a belief in something supernatural. You get your beliefs not from evidence but from faith, revelation, tradition, scripture and authority. All these are bad reasons to believe anything. Evidence is the only reason to believe something.
We are all in life together and are all capable of the same kinds of good emotions/actions whether we are religious or not. We can't give religion credit for the good things in humanity they are a part of humanity along with the bad whether you are religious or not.

Jesus, I make more sense than this after two bong hits.

Put down the bong for week and reread rather than attack poster that had some great thoughts. Poster started it as saying "this is my opinion" and then shared thoughts. Posts like this add to the boards enjoyment. Yours not so much.

the OP made zero sense to me either, callen.

+1

mickeyrat

amethgr8 said:

the relationship between a humans emotions and compassion and whether or not they are religious. down need religion to tell us to be good to our neighbor or to set a moral standard otherwise? not really sure of the exact point but that is my educated guess.

I base my apple pie on my grandmothers and possibly her grandmothers recipe and isn't that basing my belief on tradition which in your opinion is not a good reason. but when the pie comes out delicious, then that is physical evidence? but I took the chance on the tradition. maybe that is not apples to apples, idk. I love theological discussions though. I think it's a balance between what you can see, feel and smell. But also what we try to interpret, our gut feelings or intuition.

no. your is apples to apple pie.

inmyNC

An point of view...................................... All things natural are perfect. The way a maple seed helicopters away from its host tree. The way pollination happens with the instinctive cooperation of bees. All these things are perfect. The things that are imperfect are humans and all we create. We are given emotions and the strongest of which is love. No other living thing on earth has that gift. Our buildings are square yet nothing in nature is square. We destroy our earth, but in time nature does in fact take back. That said we humans are different then everything else that exist. Does that not make us special? Why is this so? Well, I'm not sure. I tend to believe there's something higher then what we can see. Is it god? Again, I'm unsure .. Truth is I don't think we are supposed to know. I find organized religion to somewhat pretentious. At least that is how I would feel if I were involved with a certain religion. I don't think of those whom are devoted to there religions are wrong in there beliefs because its their belief. Its their heart and mind which are two very natural things. You don't have to except any theology in order to be moral or to love...

hedonist

Nice post, inmyNC, but I'd say just look at many animals - their capacity to love (not only us but each other as well) is as strong as ours. Undeniable to me.

brianlux

inmyNC said:

An point of view...................................... All things natural are perfect. The way a maple seed helicopters away from its host tree. The way pollination happens with the instinctive cooperation of bees. All these things are perfect. The things that are imperfect are humans and all we create. We are given emotions and the strongest of which is love. No other living thing on earth has that gift. Our buildings are square yet nothing in nature is square. We destroy our earth, but in time nature does in fact take back. That said we humans are different then everything else that exist. Does that not make us special? Why is this so? Well, I'm not sure. I tend to believe there's something higher then what we can see. Is it god? Again, I'm unsure .. Truth is I don't think we are supposed to know. I find organized religion to somewhat pretentious. At least that is how I would feel if I were involved with a certain religion. I don't think of those whom are devoted to there religions are wrong in there beliefs because its their belief. Its their heart and mind which are two very natural things. You don't have to except any theology in order to be moral or to love...

I like this too. I agree that whatever is beyond the knowing, what ever it is that gives humans a conscience, whatever it is that set all this in motion may one day be explainable (through science) but I hope it is not. My wish is that humans would learn to accept that those things are mysterious and marvelous and don't need to be defined by some made up story about a god.

One of my favorite books is The Lost Gospel of the Earth by Tome Hayden. It is a call to focus our beliefs on what nature shows us and, without being preachy about it, he illustrates how closely Native American spirituality reflects what is in nature more so than most other religions. If we made nature our focus and learned to live within the laws of nature and ecology we would be much healthier and more content.

inmyNC

hedonist said:

Nice post, inmyNC, but I'd say just look at many animals - their capacity to love (not only us but each other as well) is as strong as ours. Undeniable to me.

You may be right. I'm no specialist on animal behavior.. Is it love or instinct for them to bond? Totally unsure.. I'd love to think my long gone chocolate lab loved me !!

HughFreakingDillon

hedonist said:

Nice post, inmyNC, but I'd say just look at many animals - their capacity to love (not only us but each other as well) is as strong as ours. Undeniable to me.

yeah, I agree with this. when you see the happiness/sorrow of an animal with a newborn/dead relative, you know they feel emotions like love for sure.