Is GA pit size consistent ?

guitar101guitar101 Sutton, ONPosts: 270
If you look at the seating chart for toronto it looks like theres barely any room in the GA pit. I imagine this is just an inaccurate seating chart, but it did make me wonder about the pit size in general. Does it vary from venue to venue or is it basically the same every night?
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  • It varies by venue for sure
  • kclemonskclemons Posts: 6
    Jacksonville GA was about twice as big as Tampa.
  • nycratsnycrats Posts: 1,287
    in 2013 the cincy pit was massive and the detroit was tiny

    varies..

    msg i know it is the equiv of the first 25 rows...
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 18,607
    nycrats said:

    in 2013 the cincy pit was massive and the detroit was tiny

    varies..

    msg i know it is the equiv of the first 25 rows...

    really? that's pretty damn close!
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  • Chris519Chris519 Posts: 123
    Here's the correct seating chart for Toronto...
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  • PillowPantsPillowPants Posts: 4,824
    it varies by venue as well as it varies in how full it is

    miami had more room than hampton which had more room than greenville

  • pearldavidsonpearldavidson YinzPosts: 1,157
    Detroits's GA pit was awesome.
  • nycratsnycrats Posts: 1,287
    mcgruff10 said:

    nycrats said:

    in 2013 the cincy pit was massive and the detroit was tiny

    varies..

    msg i know it is the equiv of the first 25 rows...

    really? that's pretty damn close!
    yup its right in the middle compared to the pj pits i saw in 13.. detroit looked liek it was 15 rows tops..
    '98: Camden 1 '00: JB2 '03: MSG1 '04: Boston 1 '05: AC1
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 18,607
    nycrats said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    nycrats said:

    in 2013 the cincy pit was massive and the detroit was tiny

    varies..

    msg i know it is the equiv of the first 25 rows...

    really? that's pretty damn close!
    yup its right in the middle compared to the pj pits i saw in 13.. detroit looked liek it was 15 rows tops..
    So basically ga is the first seated section of when it was all reserved seatin on the floor?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ZodZod Posts: 6,072
    I think it varies. Probably on numerous factors. Some of the west coast shows in 2013 didn't have heavy demand (Vancouver, Spokane, Calgary...). The pits for those were a little smaller because they only sold so many tickets (I think they tried to do 2nd drawings for those shows.

    I guess for shows that have huge demand the pit size must be based on the venue layout, how many tickets they wrangled from TM etc...

    I'm a little nervous about the pit size for Wrigley. It's a really wide pit. Someone pointed out that in 2013 there were seated sections on the left/right sides but the views were horrible because of the angles. Those sections are merged in with the pit this time so the pit is really wide. Hopefully they didn't oversell the pit so fans don't' get stuck over on the extreme sides.
  • Weston1283Weston1283 Cleveland, OHPosts: 2,425
    Usually there's plenty of wiggle room, you can chill in the back and feel very comfortable. Random shows will be cramped though. Greenville was packed tight.
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  • stevedsteved Posts: 630
    Chris519 said:

    Here's the correct seating chart for Toronto...
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    I believe that is the correct seating chart for Toronto night 1. I think they changed it to a smaller GA pit for night 2 because there is no Fan Club. That is why the much smaller map is shown on the ticketmaster map.
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  • jmug23jmug23 Posts: 634
    Greenville seemed much smaller than some of the 2013/2014 venues I made it to. You could sit in the back of the pit and still be pretty close.
  • mwelchonsmwelchons Posts: 108
    steved said:

    Chris519 said:

    Here's the correct seating chart for Toronto...
    image

    I believe that is the correct seating chart for Toronto night 1. I think they changed it to a smaller GA pit for night 2 because there is no Fan Club. That is why the much smaller map is shown on the ticketmaster map.
    I'd be surprised if they changed the layout for Night 2. Will they add extra seats to make up for the space? I have GA for both nights, so I will report back
  • stevedsteved Posts: 630
    edited April 2016
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    mwelchons said:

    steved said:

    Chris519 said:

    Here's the correct seating chart for Toronto...
    image

    I believe that is the correct seating chart for Toronto night 1. I think they changed it to a smaller GA pit for night 2 because there is no Fan Club. That is why the much smaller map is shown on the ticketmaster map.
    I'd be surprised if they changed the layout for Night 2. Will they add extra seats to make up for the space? I have GA for both nights, so I will report back
    I will be there as well.. Look at the maps.. You can see that there are more reserved seats added for night 2.
    Post edited by steved on
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  • mwelchonsmwelchons Posts: 108
    Interesting. No mix station for Night 2?
  • stevedsteved Posts: 630
    Good point... Gotta be a soundboard in the same place.. Center back floor... I can only go by the TM chart for PJ.. It shrunk for night two. The explanation given was that because there was no TC less GA seats.. But I don't recall where that info came from..
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  • nycratsnycrats Posts: 1,287
    I'd be shocked if Toronto had diff sized gas tenclub show or not
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  • euchrideuchrid Posts: 182
    steved said:

    image

    mwelchons said:

    steved said:

    Chris519 said:

    Here's the correct seating chart for Toronto...
    image

    I believe that is the correct seating chart for Toronto night 1. I think they changed it to a smaller GA pit for night 2 because there is no Fan Club. That is why the much smaller map is shown on the ticketmaster map.
    I'd be surprised if they changed the layout for Night 2. Will they add extra seats to make up for the space? I have GA for both nights, so I will report back
    I will be there as well.. Look at the maps.. You can see that there are more reserved seats added for night 2.
    Both nights are shown incorrect (with small GA) I believe. The one Chris519 posted is most likely correct. It is a new one as far as I recall as well but they haven't set it to the default one shown.
  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Toronto, ONPosts: 6,089
    In terms of dimension, the Toronto GA pit will remain consistent for both shows. No clue if the same amount of people will occupy the GA over both nights.
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  • mwelchonsmwelchons Posts: 108
    100 Pacer said:

    In terms of dimension, the Toronto GA pit will remain consistent for both shows. No clue if the same amount of people will occupy the GA over both nights.

    Agreed. I can't imagine the venue didn't sell the GA Pit to capacity. My guess is for each show the same number of tickets were sold in the Pit. Just my 10 Cents.
  • Red MosquitoRed Mosquito Charlotte, NCPosts: 49
    edited April 2016
    jmug23 said:

    Greenville seemed much smaller than some of the 2013/2014 venues I made it to. You could sit in the back of the pit and still be pretty close.

    I agree. Greenville GA was tiny.
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  • Chris519Chris519 Posts: 123
    OK, lets clear this up for everyone concerned. The map with the tiny GA section that you guys are wondering about is just a mistake on the ticketmaster website. Its that same map used for both nights. The fact is, that thing that looks like a tiny GA section is actually seating... the map is called "west end stage" and has a fully seated floor, with that tiny strip at the front being the 1st 5 rows (aprox). The "west end stage" setup is not being used for PJ. It's an error.
    If you go to the ticketmaster site and look at the map on the PJ tickets page, there is a box below with a pull down menu for all of the different arena set ups. Scroll up 3 and you have "General Admission & Reserved Floor". Pearl Jam night 1 & 2 is using the "General Admission & Reserved Floor" map. (posted earlier in this thread)
    Hope everyone has a great couple of shows!
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