My letter to Gov McRory

AndySlash

titties said:

Call me a bigot

ok. you are a bigot.

PorchRadio

Vedd Hedd said:

"Identify" does not equal "i feel like dressing as a woman today".

So, a transwoman might still be pre-surgery....(or never able to afford the surgery)but she lives her life as a woman.

Under this law....when you go to the bathroom, transwomen (penis or not) should legally be using the bathroom with you. Does that make you comfortable?

Or put it this way. A transman (woman to man) may not have surgery to get a vagina, but still identify as a man. Do you want that man to use the bathroom with your daughters?

But worse....lets say a transwoman used the mens room....what might happen to her in that bathroom? Is a transwoman more or less likely to be ridiculed when using the womans room or the mens room?

I think this is the most overlooked aspect. The Trans woman in a men's bathroom has such a high chance of ridicule and hate being thrown their way, so so so much more of a possibility of that happening than someone trying to look at someone's privates (seriously, how often are they in "full exposure" in a public bathroom?) that all this is doing is forcing them into a confrontation.

I am sad. Only GA of tour. I ultimately agree with it and will just have to deal with visiting friends in NC instead of seeing a show.

Peace.

whofeelslikeadrank

AndySlash said:

titties said:

Call me a bigot

ok. you are a bigot.

texasistheSTEVEN

Brain of Jason said:

I see where you are coming from here. I really do. Educate me on this, though because I've only partially read into this law. From what I'm seeing, people who identify as the opposite sex publicly can go into a bathroom. When I process this, my mind immediately goes to my daughters. So my 11 year old daughter who's 5 foot nothing and 90 pounds might have to share a bathroom with a man who weighs 240 and has 5 o clock shadow just because he has identified as a woman on social media or where ever. I don't know if this person is a pedophile or the next Gandhi. I'm a man so I can't go into that bathroom to make sure she's safe. I'm not disagreeing, but I'm worried about this because many times I've seen these non discrimination laws exploited by the criminal element for their own purposes. The gray area in this law seems too much for me to handle as a dad. I know it has other aspects to it, but this part worries me. There are sick people in this world, both male and female. I just don't agree with widening access like this.

What if, what if, what if....
What if your daughter goes into a bathroom and there is a female paedophile in there? What if you drive to work and get hit by a truck? What if your computer blows up whilst reading this? What if aliens come to earth and save only the LGBT community?

Its disgusting to claim that anyone who is from the LGBT community or even claiming to be will have links with paedophiles just because they may identify their gender differently. Gender identity does not link to perversions in the same way homosexuality is not directly or even slightly linked to paedophilia. Also do you not think that someone who might "exploit" this would do better than going into a toilet where parents are waiting outside.

I think you seriously need to re-think your standpoint on this. I understand having your childrens best interests at heart but they are probably more likely to be shot at school or in a cinema than be attacked by a transgendered paedophile.

I saw someone on this forum say they weren't going to the Florida shows with their pregnant wife because of the zika virus. The nation of fear is fully realised

texasistheSTEVEN

titties said:

AmishGuy91 said:

Guess I've had my anger directed at the wrong place...I thought it was Pearl Jam that cancelled the Pearl Jam concert

My daughters will NOT be using the bathroom with anyone that even looks like a man.

What if it's a lady that unfortunately looks like a man? Or a female body builder? What if the lady has short hair? What if its a man who REALLY looks like a woman? You definitely need to be with your children every single second of every day as god forbid they use a toilet with a transgendered man who is going about his business. Suggest you glue yourself to them until they are 25 so they don't ever encounter someone who is different.

jeffwalsh

The real problem here is that a lot of people have mentally invented what a trans person will look like, and it usually comes across as a bad SNL sketch.

For example, if you support this law, you are saying you want this "woman" aka a trans man in the women's room with your daughter, as opposed to him using the men's room?!



And he is a public trans activist, so not an issue to share these images, since he has been going into women's rooms and taking these pics for activism.

So, that is who you legally WANT to ensure IS required to use the ladies room with your daughters? Just checking. (Not that any harm or foul play would happen to them if they were in there with him, he seems like a sweet guy from my social media interactions with him.

texasistheSTEVEN

jeffwalsh said:

The real problem here is that a lot of people have mentally invented what a trans person will look like, and it usually comes across as a bad SNL sketch.

For example, if you support this law, you are saying you want this "woman" aka a trans man in the women's room with your daughter, as opposed to him using the men's room?!



And he is a public trans activist, so not an issue to share these images, since he has been going into women's rooms and taking these pics for activism.

So, that is who you legally WANT to ensure IS required to use the ladies room with your daughters? Just checking. (Not that any harm or foul play would happen to them if they were in there with him, he seems like a sweet guy from my social media interactions with him.

...and if you listen to rock n roll then you are in league with satan.

Vedd Hedd

Bumping for the post with the picture, so people understand.

HughFreakingDillon

I don't care that a gay dude who likes other gay dues I work with stands next to me at the urinal, so why would I give a shit if a transman was standing next to me?

if a male pedophile wants to go to the lengths of dressing up as a woman to get to your/my daughters, they would do it regardless of any stupid law or the absence of it.

Washed

I'm a father of 2 and I trust no one in a public toilet when it comes to their safety...grandfatherly white dude, teenage kid, transgender male, Catholic Priest...doesn't matter. This law doesn't protect your children against the sick people that will break that kind of law...if you really want to protect them, protect them by not sending them unaccompanied into a public toilet. Don't hide behind hate-fueled laws that are built upon your lack of understanding of someone different from yourself.

RoleModelsinBlood31

Vedd Hedd said:

Bumping for the post with the picture, so people understand.

I don't get it, is that dude in the cowboy hat a woman or something?

ajgdrums7814

HughFreakingDillon said:

I don't care that a gay dude who likes other gay dues I work with stands next to me at the urinal, so why would I give a shit if a transman was standing next to me?

if a male pedophile wants to go to the lengths of dressing up as a woman to get to your/my daughters, they would do it regardless of any stupid law or the absence of it.

This x1000. Do people really think rapists and pedophiles are staying out of certain rooms because of the sign on the door?

High Fidelity 2000

"What's a Pearl Jam?" --Governor McRory

Listen every single parent worries about their kids going into a public bathroom by themselves, no matter what their ages. You either go with them or when that's not possible, you teach them that if something doesn't look right, they leave immediately.

There has always been a fear of harm being done in bathrooms that existed before and after this law and it's NOT because of transgendered people. This is just discrimination.

I think people should go live in India or somewhere in Africa for a month. Use the bathrooms. Then come back and tell us all how there is something wrong with the bathrooms in America that we need to make laws over who can/can't use which ones.

jerparker20

ajgdrums7814 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I don't care that a gay dude who likes other gay dues I work with stands next to me at the urinal, so why would I give a shit if a transman was standing next to me?

if a male pedophile wants to go to the lengths of dressing up as a woman to get to your/my daughters, they would do it regardless of any stupid law or the absence of it.

This x1000. Do people really think rapists and pedophiles are staying out of certain rooms because of the sign on the door?

As someone who used to work with sex offender reintegration programs, I will tell you this; your children are at a much greater risk of being abused/molested by someone they know than by a stranger in a bathroom. Yes, it can happen. One of the most disturbing cases I worked with involved a man luring and molesting boys in a truck stop restroom. He was an Ivy League educated person who worn suits and had a professional job. I guess we should also ban highly educated, suit wearing professionals from using bathrooms as well?!?

jeffwalsh

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Vedd Hedd said:

Bumping for the post with the picture, so people understand.

I don't get it, is that dude in the cowboy hat a woman or something?

He is a trans man, who under this law would be forced to use the female restroom because he was assigned a female gender designation on his birth certificate.

RoleModelsinBlood31

jeffwalsh said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Vedd Hedd said:

Bumping for the post with the picture, so people understand.

I don't get it, is that dude in the cowboy hat a woman or something?

He is a trans man, who under this law would be forced to use the female restroom because he was assigned a female gender designation on his birth certificate.

Shits too fuckin weird for me. Why doesn't he get the designation on his birth certificate changed then?

jjheel13

Off topic but this is a letter someone sent when Springsteen cancelled. It has really stuck with me.

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I'm pissed. I was very much looking forward to seeing my all-time favorite performer, Bruce Springsteen, and his legendary E Street Band in Greensboro tonight. As I'm sure you've heard that show has been cancelled by Springsteen in response to HB2, the legislation you called for and signed into law without debate late last month. What you and so many insist on calling the Bathroom Bill has far reaching implications to all NC citizens, and yet you seem to be oblivious or unconcerned about this fact. You paint a picture of sinister bathroom behavior where there is none and ignore the blatant elimination of civil rights to the people of North Carolina. The shame you have brought to this beautiful state is immense, and the impact your decision has had and will continue to have will be measured in loss of revenue, jobs, opportunity, and identity.

But if you think I’m mad about Bruce Springsteen canceling his show — about not joining 23,000 fellow fans in Greensboro a few hours ahead of time to eat and drink and have a good time, watching the show as a communal force, inspired by the music and the words; about the lost revenue for the city, the coliseum workers, the downtown businesses, etc. etc. etc. — if you think that's what is in my craw, then you have once again mistaken the issues at hand. I'm mad at you, Governor, for removing rights from the people of your state, for disrespecting and disparaging our brothers and sisters in the LGBT community, and for caving to the worst impulses of your political party. Shame on you. I am proud to call myself a fan of Bruce Springsteen, more so today than yesterday, if that is even possible.

Tonight I'll be at home not spending my money in the marketplace. Hopefully, I’ll find some time to listen to The River, and then at some point I will try to explain to my son why my plans were cancelled. I’ll tell him that some men live in fear, spending their nights trying to hold others back, while others shine a light on those dark deeds. I'll tell him that we stand with the light; I'll tell him that nobody wins unless everybody wins."

jeffwalsh

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Shits too fuckin weird for me. Why doesn't he get the designation on his birth certificate changed then?

That varies from state to state, many of which require gender confirmation surgery, which not all trans people want or can afford. He just wants to go into a men's room and use a stall, why do we need to get all "Und verr are your paperz?!"

RoleModelsinBlood31

jeffwalsh said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Shits too fuckin weird for me. Why doesn't he get the designation on his birth certificate changed then?

That varies from state to state, many of which require gender confirmation surgery, which not all trans people want or can afford. He just wants to go into a men's room and use a stall, why do we need to get all "Und verr are your paperz?!"

Oh hes a dude who wants to use a men's room? Then that makes sense. I thought the bearded guy was a woman who's not allowed to use the women's room- I was saying then she should just get his/her designation changed because that's a bit freaky and people might feel a bit nervous about him in a girls room

jeffwalsh

Yes. He's a trans dude who wants and does use a men's room typically. But under NC law, he should be using a women's room now, and is actually breaking the law if he doesn't.